People who think we’ll stay up

[Lupa The Noa]

Second season syndrome incoming.

Second season syndrome doesn't exist. You're much more likely to go down in the first season after you're promoted. It DOES exist in individual players though.

 

[wizadry]

Spurs reserves

I take the point you’re making Carlts but Spurs had a very strong side out that day, the problem for them is when Kane doesn’t play they usually lose which was their undoing again, that and a decent if not spectacular performance from us. In fact I think we had more reserves in than they did if I can remember rightly.

 

[Houston_Blade]

I’d just take a win at Chesterfield

 

[Carlton Blade]

Really? It was a very strong team, and our was arguably (relatively) weaker.

No Kane, no Son. That's not Spurs

 

[Carlton Blade]

I take the point you’re making Carlts but Spurs had a very strong side out that day, the problem for them is when Kane doesn’t play they usually lose which was their undoing again, that and a decent if not spectacular performance from us. In fact I think we had more reserves in than they did if I can remember rightly.

My point is mostly that it's not at all representative of a Premier League game

 

[alcoblade]

No Kane, no Son. That's not Spurs

They came on though (certainly Kane did), so not entirely correct. It could easily be a team that we'd come up against, and they were bang up for it (in theory).

 

[jt64]

No Kane, no Son. That's not Spurs

Son played the full 90?

 

[Carlton Blade]

They came on though (certainly Kane did), so not entirely correct. It could easily be a team that we'd come up against, and they were bang up for it (in theory).

We won, I was happy. I just don't think it's anything to use as a barometer for next season

 

[Carlton Blade]

Son played the full 90?

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Pissed on my chips!

 

[alcoblade]

We won, I was happy. I just don't think it's anything to use as a barometer for next season

We played a strong premier league side and beat them, actually relatively comfortably with a weakened side of our own.

It's a small barometer that the idea we have zero chance of competing for any chance of staying up, as some seem to insist, might not be accurate.

 

[Carlton Blade]

We played a strong premier league side and beat them, actually relatively comfortably with a weakened side of our own.

It's a barometer that the idea we have zero chance of competing, as some seem to insist, might not be accurate,

I said I'd give us a 10% chance and based on Ndiaye staying and the strength of the league in comparison to our speculative transfer policy. I think that's fair.

It's not no chance but it is slim. We won't create enough chances

 

[alcoblade]

I said I'd give us a 10% chance and based on Ndiaye staying and the strength of the league in comparison to our speculative transfer policy. I think that's fair.

It's not no chance but it is slim. We won't create enough chances

And your other point was that a game against "spurs reserves" was in no way representative of next season. I think that's been debunked.

I generally agree with this point quoted though. I'd give us a 20% chance as we are, and expect that to rise a bit before the season starts.

 

[Carlton Blade]

And your other point was that a game against "spurs reserves" was in no way representative of next season. I think that's been debunked.

I generally agree with this point quoted though. I'd give us a 20% chance as we are, and expect that to rise a bit before the season starts.

I still think it's fair to say it was a weakened Spurs team though no? Reserves was a bit much obviously!.

I'll be absolutely delighted to be proven wrong. My bet now would be 25-30 points

 

[blade too long]

Spurs reserves

was their only sniff at a trophy
if we are so bad how come their second string couldnt beat us

 

[Carlton Blade]

was their only sniff at a trophy
if we are so bad how come their second string couldnt beat us

You're confusing me saying we'll struggle to stay up in a 38 game league campaign with me saying we are incapable of winning one off games if things go our way.

We'll compete and we'll win a few. I just think we'll end up comfortably short of 17th

 

[ATL Recs]

We've got N'Diaye.
A largely settled core to the team (assuming Doyle signs, which i think he will).
A more experienced Sander Berge playing for his next move, having been a key player and taken a lot of responsibility in the first team last season.
Excellent defenders in Baldock, Anel, Egan and in a couple months RND.
The club and recruitment team will have learnt a lot from last time.
A team with a settled strategy and style of play.
Regardless of whether we've been up there recently, they'll be under little pressure in pretty much every game they play.
Lastly, and this is partly out of hope and bias of course, surely the attacking signings can't be as bad as last time.

I don’t get this RND love in yes he improved impressively last season as it progressed and the Coventry injury was a terrible blow for him
But jeez

No Kane, no Son. That's not Spurs

Son played

 

[reedy63]

I don't understand some so-called Blades Fans. writing us off before the seasons started and incoming transfers. we have some very good players. Some of the squad has premier league experience. Give Hecky a chance to bring in new signings permanent or loan signing. I am a season ticket holder so I will be going to all the Home Games. Away games if I can get tickets. even with 14.5k loyalty points, I will struggle to buy tickets for some away games.

 

[Carlton Blade]

I don't understand some so-called Blades Fans. writing us off before the seasons started and incoming transfers. we have some very good players. Some of the squad has premier league experience. Give Hecky a chance to bring in new signings permanent or loan signing. I am a season ticket holder so I will be going to all the Home Games. Away games if I can get tickets. even with 14.5k loyalty points, I will struggle to buy tickets for some away games.

Does it say somewhere in the small print that you can't support the team on matchdays if you don't have blind optimism beforehand?

 

[TopBoy]

Winning every other game at home and drawing every other game away will give us 36 points, enough to have survived in each of the past 7 seasons. Piece of piss.

 

[reedy63]

I don't get your quote Carlton Blade nowt to do with Blind optimism. I support the Blades no matter what. i have done since 1966. I love going to Bramall Lane and away games. don't like losing but I get over it quickly.

 

[Badger Blade]

After the second PL season under Wilder, I've become desensitised to losing so I'm braced for that because we'll lose more than we win, that's a given for a good few sides, not just us.

The difference this time round is that the budget is smaller but we're being promoted with a team that arguably has a bit more individual talent than what we had last time. A group of individuals doesn't often beat an individual group but we have a bit there this time in the likes of Ndiaye, AA, Berge that can turn the dial when we need it to when it simply didn't exist before besides Mousset for a couple of months. The system broke down and so did everything else. The real top teams can have their system or game plan go to pot but know that someone like De Bruyne or Salah can dig them out the shit with a moment of brilliance to scrape themselves over the line on a bad day.

We spent more money but what did we have to show for it?

Our track record last time suggests that we signed a lot more bad than good. I'd sooner we spent less and got what we needed rather than throwing shit at the wall and hoping that some of it sticks because other than Berge (iffy at times), Robinson (likewise), McBurnie (often not fit, decent when he is), Osborn (gap plugger), Bogle (good in attack, not as good as George defensively) and Lowe (Championship level left back), we've spent a lot of money on a lot of rubbish.

Callum Robinson, Burke, Brewster, Ramsdale (largely shit until it was too late), Retsos, Zivkovic, Rodwell, Verrips, Bryan, Jagielka, Morrison and Mousset all sucked for various reasons. If none of them had ever played for us during that period, we wouldn't be much worse off.

There was the whole thing about "Brexit FC" last time and our scouting network not going any further than Derby yet now we're looking in the same sort of markets that Brentford are and we're being greeted with some of it being underwhelming and that we don't have a hope in hell.

There are some good teams in the Premier League but there aren't many to be genuinely scared of and not believe you can't get any points from. Man City, Man United, Newcastle, Arsenal and Liverpool are the only fixtures you'd go into without any expectation of getting something in my opinion. All the others are very beatable if we turn up with the right mindset.

 

[Chilttheblade]

I think the best outcome is we go down this season. My reasoning is that it will be easier to get promoted the following season as all the best teams in the Championship this season ( Leeds , Leicester, Southampton) will get promoted so we will avoid them .
If we play it right we can continue doing this for ever like what Norwich did.

if we stay up for 2 seasons,we are fucked.

Simple!

 

[Carlton Blade]

I don't get your quote Carlton Blade nowt to do with Blind optimism. I support the Blades no matter what. i have done since 1966. I love going to Bramall Lane and away games. don't like losing but I get over it quickly.

Why are people who think this year's going to be a struggle "so-called Blades"?

 

[wizadry]

My point is mostly that it's not at all representative of a Premier League game

I took your point and said so, both teams will be different next season so I agreed with it mostly but just not the bit about Spurs reserves which you’ve already rightfully changed your opinion on.

Until reading the replies I couldn’t remember just how strong that Spurs side was, only missing Kane really but as I’ve said they’re a different team without him, they could quite easily struggle this season.

 

[Kev Gee]

Keeping my powder dry.
Let's see at the end of the transfer window.

 

[Bennyand the Blades]

Hands up all those who at the beginning of last season thought we would get automatic promotion .....

 

[reedy63]

Carlton Blade. A lot of Blades' supporters keep going to games no matter what division we are in. Playing well or playing crap. I can only speak for myself. I go to games hoping the Blades can win. I would not go at all if I think we have no chance of winning don,t see the point in that. Of course, everyone is entitled to have their own opinion. yours is a different point of view than mine, nowt wrong with that. so I'm not having a go at anyone.

 

[blade too long]

You're confusing me saying we'll struggle to stay up in a 38 game league campaign with me saying we are incapable of winning one off games if things go our way.

We'll compete and we'll win a few. I just think we'll end up comfortably short of 17th

we finished 9th comfortably with home crowds we need them they make our players lift their game
we lost 28 games in covid year 2020 , 18 by the odd goal , the crowd makes that much difference

 

[Carlton Blade]

we finished 9th comfortably with home crowds we need them they make our players lift their game
we lost 28 games in covid year 2020 , 18 by the odd goal , the crowd makes that much difference

Crowds don't score you goals
19/20 was an unrepeatable outlier in terms of how we won points. That defensive record was always unsustainable
40 scored, 60 conceded keeps you up >95% of the time. I just don't see 40 goals in this team

 

[blade too long]

I take the point you’re making Carlts but Spurs had a very strong side out that day, the problem for them is when Kane doesn’t play they usually lose which was their undoing again, that and a decent if not spectacular performance from us. In fact I think we had more reserves in than they did if I can remember rightly.

there are more teams than spurs vulnerable if their star players dont turn up
thats why we have chances
yes theres man city and liverpool but arsenal falter up north , man utd blow hot and cold chelseas been poor last season
bournemourth brighton fulham and brentford we beat the seasons when they went up
palace west ham everton we know we can beat if we apply ourselves

I think staying up is a distinct possibility if we get behind them