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It's not great management but it's not quite as linear or sweeping as that.

Could we have extended contracts in the Championship? Perhaps but we could barely afford them on what they're on now, never mind better terms. Not a lot we can do about aligning contracts with getting promoted, short of seeing into the future and knowing you'll go up.

Would they have signed 2 years ago? Ndiaye was just breaking in, Berge was injured and the wider world seemed to have ideas for him above what we can provide and Jebbison wasn't (and still isn't) playing regularly.

Had we gone up instead of Forest, we'd be looking at a different situation with these players but don't forget, we'd still have been carrying guys like Sharp, Stevens, an injured O'Connell, Osborn who's barely started a game, a dodgy Jack Robinson and a past it Fleck to the Premier League again who would have all contributed the square root of bugger all. All under contract, on likely better terms, weighing us down from signing anyone better.

The more disgraceful management was on some of the rubbish we signed last time we went up and it all going tits up the second season. We're seeing the effects now where we're giving contracts to John Fleck and Ben Osborn when they should both be shown the door because we can't afford to sign anyone better, despite being promoted to the biggest, richest league in the world yet still not having a pot to piss in.

The one straw we can clutch to is that if McCabe was at the helm, Ndiaye would have been flogged to Everton for tuppence ha'penny and bag of balls on deadline day with him bleating about how we've made profit on the deal and that it's good business for us, then ending up like Huddersfield, wheeling Warnock in to dig us out the shit. At least our skint Prince had the wherewithal to see it out to the end of last season for us to actually go up and be in a better position than we would otherwise have been in if we hadn't. That said, we're desperate for a takeover to happen before the end of August.
 
Badger Blade said:
It's not great management but it's not quite as linear or sweeping as that.

Could we have extended contracts in the Championship? Perhaps but we could barely afford them on what they're on now, never mind better terms. Not a lot we can do about aligning contracts with getting promoted, short of seeing into the future and knowing you'll go up.

Would they have signed 2 years ago? Ndiaye was just breaking in, Berge was injured and the wider world seemed to have ideas for him above what we can provide and Jebbison wasn't (and still isn't) playing regularly.

Had we gone up instead of Forest, we'd be looking at a different situation with these players but don't forget, we'd still have been carrying guys like Sharp, Stevens, an injured O'Connell, Osborn who's barely started a game, a dodgy Jack Robinson and a past it Fleck to the Premier League again who would have all contributed the square root of bugger all. All under contract, on likely better terms, weighing us down from signing anyone better.

The more disgraceful management was on some of the rubbish we signed last time we went up and it all going tits up the second season. We're seeing the effects now where we're giving contracts to John Fleck and Ben Osborn when they should both be shown the door because we can't afford to sign anyone better, despite being promoted to the biggest, richest league in the world yet still not having a pot to piss in.

The one straw we can clutch to is that if McCabe was at the helm, Ndiaye would have been flogged to Everton for tuppence ha'penny and bag of balls on deadline day with him bleating about how we've made profit on the deal and that it's good business for us, then ending up like Huddersfield, wheeling Warnock in to dig us out the shit. At least our skint Prince had the wherewithal to see it out to the end of last season for us to actually go up and be in a better position than we would otherwise have been in if we hadn't. That said, we're desperate for a takeover to happen before the end of August.
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Regarding Jebbison who also hasn't played much,it's not stopped clubs being interested in him,maybe journalist speak or bigger clubs see more in him than we do,anyhow if we were to lose our best young players to them,we would be a feeder club whatever state of the finances.
 
adiosmiamigo said:
Regarding Jebbison who also hasn't played much,it's not stopped clubs being interested in him,maybe journalist speak or bigger clubs see more in him than we do,anyhow if we were to lose our best young players to them,we would be a feeder club whatever state of the finances.
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They don’t, they see the same as us, massive potential and he could be anything and heading to the very top…. But all these top clubs up until now would have seen the same and been the same as us and used him sparingly and loaned him out. That needs to stop now as he’s ready and he needs to be playing, it’s the only way to get him to sign a new deal.

Utds staff, Englands staff, some of Europes top clubs staff are not all wrong, they can see not what his has been for the past two years or what he is now, they can see the natural progression and where he will be as a footballer and an athlete in one to two years time. He will be an absolute beast.
 
HarryHaslam said:
They don’t, they see the same as us, massive potential and he could be anything and heading to the very top…. But all these top clubs up until now would have seen the same and been the same as us and used him sparingly and loaned him out. That needs to stop now as he’s ready and he needs to be playing, it’s the only way to get him to sign a new deal.

Utds staff, Englands staff, some of Europes top clubs staff are not all wrong, they can see not what his has been for the past two years or what he is now, they can see the natural progression and where he will be as a footballer and an athlete in one to two years time. He will be an absolute beast.
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All I want is for him and other
youngsters to be OUR beast.
 
Badger Blade said:
It's not great management but it's not quite as linear or sweeping as that.

Could we have extended contracts in the Championship? Perhaps but we could barely afford them on what they're on now, never mind better terms. Not a lot we can do about aligning contracts with getting promoted, short of seeing into the future and knowing you'll go up.

Would they have signed 2 years ago? Ndiaye was just breaking in, Berge was injured and the wider world seemed to have ideas for him above what we can provide and Jebbison wasn't (and still isn't) playing regularly.

Had we gone up instead of Forest, we'd be looking at a different situation with these players but don't forget, we'd still have been carrying guys like Sharp, Stevens, an injured O'Connell, Osborn who's barely started a game, a dodgy Jack Robinson and a past it Fleck to the Premier League again who would have all contributed the square root of bugger all. All under contract, on likely better terms, weighing us down from signing anyone better.

The more disgraceful management was on some of the rubbish we signed last time we went up and it all going tits up the second season. We're seeing the effects now where we're giving contracts to John Fleck and Ben Osborn when they should both be shown the door because we can't afford to sign anyone better, despite being promoted to the biggest, richest league in the world yet still not having a pot to piss in.

The one straw we can clutch to is that if McCabe was at the helm, Ndiaye would have been flogged to Everton for tuppence ha'penny and bag of balls on deadline day with him bleating about how we've made profit on the deal and that it's good business for us, then ending up like Huddersfield, wheeling Warnock in to dig us out the shit. At least our skint Prince had the wherewithal to see it out to the end of last season for us to actually go up and be in a better position than we would otherwise have been in if we hadn't. That said, we're desperate for a takeover to happen before the end of August.
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The nuance is correct in here imo

It will be crap if we lose our best 2 players for nothing - but we would have been in a far worse position if we hadn’t gone up. We couldn’t have afforded to resign them in the championship- berge or Ndaiye have no desire to play there (rightly).

We can get them to either play out and stay up or cash out now or in Jan and accept going down but get parachute payments to restock.

The failing has been an over reliance on loans at the expense of longer term planning. Hopefully we restock now with some sensible young players being brought in for now/ the future.
 
None will sign new contracts

Losing all on frees is utterly unacceptable

Therefore we should do all we can to get good fees for Jebbison and Berge now

And you can throw in anybody else of financial value who won't sign and sell them as well

It may be negative, but I feel it would be very helpful if we approached our market activity as if we're going down this season no matter what
 
Alot of it is down to players having agents who negotiate moves for their own benefit .
Years ago footballers played at the same club for life or for along period .
Also players have no loyalty to the club who gave them the opportunity. They also forget the support they got from us fans . There's also no actual fact we will go down , we've held our own against most top clubs .
 



Sometimes when me and the missus sit in a room and I go quiet on her for an extended period she struggles. I can see the quiet is killing her, the pressure building up…………booom, it’s too much…………..”if you’d have forgot to pick him up today from school he’d have been distraught”

I am now going to call this pre season mode. People on strings around ifs, possibilities and silence!!!
 
Bladeinleeds said:
The failing has been an over reliance on loans at the expense of longer term planning. Hopefully we restock now with some sensible young players being brought in for now/ the future.
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Agree to a point but to be fair...it's the over reliance on loans that gives Championship clubs the edge regards promotion.

Also I don't think any Championship club with genuine intentions for promotion do long term planning.
The rewards are so massive being in the Premier League that promotion at any cost, as quickly as possible is the sole objective.
It's a sad fact of life but managers that plan for the future tend to get the sack well before their plans have come anywhere near fruition.

We've seen the dangers of long term planning when we were in league 1.
Developing players like Harry Maguire and Dominic Calvert-Lewin, only to see them leave prematurely.
 
Brownieblade said:
It’s only terrible if they asked to stay and we said no

If none of them want to stay beyond the initial contract and won’t agree to a new deal then nothing the club can do
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True.....and I'm sure you'll see a comment that we could force them stay and honour their contract.

However you tend to find that once a player has decided they are leaving they no longer give 100%.
Of course they'll still be trying but losing 10%-15% off their performances make them less effective....then confidence drops....then performances go down hill.

and all of a sudden like we saw with Lundstram....players like Berge and N'Diaye will seem very very average.

Then you can bet on here everyone will be saying....."get rid, throwing insults and abuse at Berge and N'Diaye, saying why didn't we sell when we could"
In fact if they start the season poorly....then I fans will think we'll do well to sell either one for 5 million in the Jan24 window.

The real answer regards whether we should sell or not is
What do the players themselves want?
What are the offers received from other clubs?
and do we have replacements lined up that might even improve our squad.

Another point is: Don't listen to paper talk...it's their job to stir it up.....take it all with a pinch of salt.
 
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Hamandcheese said:
None will sign new contracts

Losing all on frees is utterly unacceptable

Therefore we should do all we can to get good fees for Jebbison and Berge now

And you can throw in anybody else of financial value who won't sign and sell them as well

It may be negative, but I feel it would be very helpful if we approached our market activity as if we're going down this season no matter what
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I actually agree with this. Which isn't my usual take.

At some points you've got to cash in. I don't think selling Berge or Jebbison needs to impact our season.
If we got £20-30mill overall (as much as possible up front) and a sell on/achievements add-ons for Jebbo... I'd have to say that'd be real-thinking, sensible business.

Ndiaye is entirely irreplaceable, do not sell. Try and persuade him to stay every single day for the next year.
 
Hamandcheese said:
None will sign new contracts

Losing all on frees is utterly unacceptable

Therefore we should do all we can to get good fees for Jebbison and Berge now

And you can throw in anybody else of financial value who won't sign and sell them as well

It may be negative, but I feel it would be very helpful if we approached our market activity as if we're going down this season no matter what
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its a very fine line this though for the club hamandcheese do we hang on to em knowing full well their not going to sign another contract and hope they keep us in the premier league and another 150m or do we cash in and accept were going straight back down 🤔🤔
 
Sheffsteel said:
True.....and I'm sure you'll see a comment that we could force them stay and honour their contract.

However you tend to find that once a player has decided they are leaving they no longer give 100%.
Of course they'll still be trying but losing 10%-15% off their performances make them less effective....then confidence drops....then performances go down hill.

and all of a sudden like we saw with Lundstram....players like Berge and N'Diaye will seem very very average.

Then you can bet on here everyone will be saying....."get rid, throwing insults and abuse at Berge and N'Diaye, saying why didn't we sell when we could"
In fact if they start the season poorly....then I fans will think we'll do well to sell either one for 5 million in the Jan24 window.

The real answer regards whether we should sell or not is
What do the players themselves want?
What are the offers received from other clubs?
and do we have replacements lined up that might even improve our squad.

Another point is: Don't listen to paper talk...it's their job to stir it up.....take it all with a pinch of salt.
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The fact we are in the top league in Europe puts them in a shop window so I’m not sure I agree with the not giving as much effort

Berge has been the scapegoat for this fan base for last year or 2 so not sure it will affect him too much

I personally would like to see them both stay and honour the year as you suggest
 
ancientblade said:
its a very fine line this though for the club hamandcheese do we hang on to em knowing full well their not going to sign another contract and hope they keep us in the premier league and another 150m or do we cash in and accept were going straight back down 🤔🤔
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The hang on and hope they keep us up bit barely applies with Berge and Jebbison as it stands because I think selling them would be largely inconsequential. Both very replaceable and I'd strongly fancy our starting line up to end up stronger

We could sign a better fit for us than Berge for less than we'd sell him for

Jebbison currently is just a sub runaround striker..... with great potential. Hardly even needs replacing..... and we've made bigger sacrifices before. I'd take a few million now. And if he intends to run his contract down, tell him he won't see a minute of football this season in that case
 
adiosmiamigo said:
If we lose any of Berge,Jebbison and Ndiaye,it'll be disgraceful club management.
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That would depend on how much we get for them and how good all the replacements are. More to the point is how good the revised team would be without all or any of them.
 
Hamandcheese said:
None will sign new contracts

Losing all on frees is utterly unacceptable

Therefore we should do all we can to get good fees for Jebbison and Berge now

And you can throw in anybody else of financial value who won't sign and sell them as well

It may be negative, but I feel it would be very helpful if we approached our market activity as if we're going down this season no matter
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Keef Chedwyn said:
It would be a shame to lose Ndiaye. Other two have little to no effect on games.
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I suppose thats why clubs are after Jebbison to have no effect on their teams.Berge will be a better player with other players better than Fleck and Norwood around him.
 
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Yes let's sell the fucking lot and go back down to the championship, and then we can plan for league1. Ffs!!
 
Hamandcheese said:
None will sign new contracts

Losing all on frees is utterly unacceptable

Therefore we should do all we can to get good fees for Jebbison and Berge now

And you can throw in anybody else of financial value who won't sign and sell them as well

It may be negative, but I feel it would be very helpful if we approached our market activity as if we're going down this season no matter what
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Wow
 
"24/25 Season tickets! Yes we sold all our good players, didn't invest in replacements and finished with 7 points. But we promise this time it'll be different"

We have sufficient money to put together a competitive Championship team next season because we no longer have toxic debt. Fuck just selling anyone good now, I don't pay to watch the accounts be drawn up
 



Top 3? I'll go for
1. Ndiaye
2. Baldock
3. Egan
These guys give you the most consistent good performances.
What? Everybody was talking about something else, screw it I was the only one who answered the question.
 
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