email from club - NO MORE TICKETS ON SALE IN KOP - standing & wrong seat usage

All advertisments are hidden for logged in members, why not log in/register?

A couple of belated observations on this. Firstly the club's communication on the issue has been dreadful. I'm still not clear exactly what the issue is and SAG/the Council have a responsibility to clarify their precise concerns to the club, so why haven't the club passed this on. The issue isn't standing - it happens in all parts of the ground and every other ground, so its not just an issue on our Kop. There's plenty of speculation about too many people to a seat, refusing to give up a seat if the owner turns up, gangways being blocked etc, but we don't know exactly what SAG's concerns are. Why don't the club give us clearer and better targetted information.

It is also clear that we have a smallish number of scrotes who seem to takle great pleasure in making life as uncomfortable as possible for other Blades and see any requests to follow rules or for common courtesy as a challenge. I sit further down the Kop, so its not much of a problem for me at home matches, but this behaviour is evident in abundance at away matches. I wouldn't have a problem in these people being identified, warned and if necessary banned.

However, it does appear that we are being subject to a level of scrutiny and enforcement that is greater than other clubs. Do we have more scrotes than other clubs? Are the unspecified problems at the back of the Kop worse than at most other grounds? For those nerdy enough to have a look at the Council's policy, it is here ...https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/business/licences-permits-registrations/sports-ground-licences

It does say that the Council's actions have to be proportionate, accountable, consistent, transparent and targeted, so the club could have a conversation with the Council about how they have demonstrated that they have acted in this way. The policy also seems to give a great deal of delegated authority to the Chief Licensing Office and the Head of Licensing - it would be interesting to know how much the elected councillors know about what is being done in their name. Its not clear to me how many other mebers of SAG will have had an input into this. SY Plod have a history of profound incompetence and utterly counterproductive interventions, but how much are they concerned about minor issues contained in the home support inside the ground? Are the Council's Health and Safety team going to matches?

So, in my view, the club has got to make a decison about whether SAG/ the Council are making reasonable requests or taking the piss. If its the former, then we've got to get on and deal with it - hugely better communication, much better stewarding by fully trained and competent people and ejection for those who refuse to comply. If its the latter, then challenge the Council. Get them to provide all their evidence. Get them to demonstrate their actions are consistent, transparent, proportionate etc. Get proper legal advice, not from some local two bit solicitor who spends most of their time doing divorce cases, but a recognised specialist (who will be expensive but less than 30k a game!). The Council's legal team aren't great, so a heavyweight challenge would make them think. And if necessary, make it an issue for the elections in May. The votes of 20,000 Blades would make a huge difference.
United made a rod for their own back by taking drastic action probably far beyond what the council actually expected and as a result we've set a starting point totally out of kilter with the magnitude of the problem.
We are now not selling entire rows of the back of the kop which begs the question of whether Saturday's match or any other league match is somehow taking place in an unsafe environment when those seats are otherwise filled.
Not sure whether it's connected to the prince apparently washing his hands of the club but it seems senior management has gone AWOL which is also reflected in the lack of communication.
 

Wonder why Westfield corner is not for sale to our fans, massive gap to the Spurs fans, hundreds of empty seats, very strange
In the PL they literally have about 3 empty seats gap between fans at all matches and a row of stewards, that must be 2000 tickets we could sell.
Someone might do the wanker sign over the row of stewards. Which of course would mean the end of the World.

It really is pathetic isn't it? The Old Firm only has a few stewards separating fans. I can't think of anywhere outside of Sheffield where there's these ridiculous segregation methods in place.
 
The design of the Westfield corner in relation to the Bramall Lane upper tier makes segregation difficult (you can give away fans half the upper but this has only ever been done once against Liverpool in 2006 as far as I can recall).

The stairwells and emergency exits make it a nightmare. It was never really designed to be segregated that way.

Having the top 10 rows of the Kop netted off isn’t nearly half as bad as having G-H Blocks shut for the best part of two seasons. Something that seems to have disappeared from the collective memory.
 
I am a season ticket holder so I can't use my seat for the Spurs game. today only season ticket holders can buy tickets.
Fucking rubbish this kop situation.
 
I am a season ticket holder so I can't use my seat for the Spurs game. today only season ticket holders can buy tickets.
Fucking rubbish this kop situation.
That can’t be true can it ?
 
Back seven rows on the kop no tickets will be sold.so I can't use my seat on the back row. can buy tickets elsewhere.else rest of the kop and the other stands.
This situation on the kop is spoiling it for everyone.
I imagine whatever the current league match numbers are for the kop (season ticket holders) , they've just replicated for this match, by closing however many rows at the back.
 
Someone might do the wanker sign over the row of stewards. Which of course would mean the end of the World.

It really is pathetic isn't it? The Old Firm only has a few stewards separating fans. I can't think of anywhere outside of Sheffield where there's these ridiculous segregation methods in place.
Ashton Gate. We seem to keep away fans in the Upper Atyeo often or the top two thirds which is as those who went away this or last year or indeed 2018 will know, a SEPARATE stand from the rest 9f the ground...

Indeed v Swansea though there was more blame on their side ie Swansea, stewards blocked off the lower entrance to the Dolman at HT under orders obviously- low attendance so it could be done- and seemed to funnel up to the Upper Dolman 2nd half! That said we have one or two issues with migration to the furthest end of the Dolman but I think we can rival a bit in this regard.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Dkc
  • 2,000+ empty seats on the Kop because less than 100 fans aren't sitting in the right seats.
  • 2,000+ empty seats in the Bramall Lane corner for segregation.
  • 1,000 odd seats netted off or not sold for various nonsense reasons.
SUFC are not a serious football club.
And how would you resolve to the satisfaction of the Council and SAG? Is this really the club's fault and is is the fault of the monrity of fans ?
 
I imagine whatever the current league match numbers are for the kop (season ticket holders) , they've just replicated for this match, by closing however many rows at the back.
On pure numbers, think it’s more Kop seats that can be filled for this than we’ve had since the restrictions were brought in. We were told at the December meeting at the club that around 1,300 fewer fans were on the Kop due to the restrictions (think that was 1,300 off the average attendance in the Kop, not 1,300 off the capacity), and the back 7 rows mean ~1,010 seats. That won’t be much comfort to STHs usually in that area, but should mean more on the Kop overall than recently.
 

Plenty of grumbles in the queue for Spurs tickets
PXL_20230213_123837890.MP.jpg
 
And how would you resolve to the satisfaction of the Council and SAG? Is this really the club's fault and is is the fault of the monrity of fans ?
Classic Sheffield 'well what can you do' attitude been going on. Imagine this situation being allowed to be ongoing for months in Manchester, Leeds, Forest, Newcastle, Leicester pretty much any other major city when their football clubs are involved.
Yet here the club, media, councillors, MPS and dare I say fans are generally shrugging it off or just oblivious Surely heads could and should have been banged together months ago to find a resolution. From the club'spoint of view £30k losses per match can pay for a heck of a lot of stewarding and or tech to solve it with a few quid left over towards the embargo kitty.
 
It's clearly a fucking mess, but are we really losing as much money as is being touted about? Attendances haven't dropped, fans have just been dispersed elsewhere. The average attendance hasn't dropped, and of anything, tickets elsewhere are more expensive. The clubs probably making money out of it
 
I don't think the current issue with the Kop has caused it so that season ticket holders don't have their seats reserved, that is because Westfield and BL Upper not available so season ticket holders in those areas have to move, so to make it fair everyone has the same opportunity to buy any seat they want as all unreserved, though having a restricted Kop as well has meant there are many more fans trying to buy tickets for parts of the ground they wouldn't normally sit in and is why G&H seems so popular.
 
It's clearly a fucking mess, but are we really losing as much money as is being touted about? Attendances haven't dropped, fans have just been dispersed elsewhere. The average attendance hasn't dropped, and of anything, tickets elsewhere are more expensive. The clubs probably making money out of it
They’ve not dropped, but perhaps we could have sold even more.
 
And how would you resolve to the satisfaction of the Council and SAG? Is this really the club's fault and is is the fault of the monrity of fans ?
Neither the council or SAG required United to stop selling so many tickets but by doing so voluntarily the club opened the door to them sanction wise.
Both sides are now in a daft situation and doubt very much the council would want to get into a legal situation when it may well be there are few if any safety issues involved (and politically it could be very damaging for them).
 
Awful decision and now all the people who sit together as season ticket holders need to move elsewhere. If today is season ticket holders only, I'm presuming that is so you can claim your own seat? Do the victimised fans just get their pick of the free seats elsewhere today then?
 
Classic Sheffield 'well what can you do' attitude been going on. Imagine this situation being allowed to be ongoing for months in Manchester, Leeds, Forest, Newcastle, Leicester pretty much any other major city when their football clubs are involved.
Yet here the club, media, councillors, MPS and dare I say fans are generally shrugging it off or just oblivious Surely heads could and should have been banged together months ago to find a resolution. From the club'spoint of view £30k losses per match can pay for a heck of a lot of stewarding and or tech to solve it with a few quid left over towards the embargo kitty.
Genuine question. How would you resolve ?
 
Neither the council or SAG required United to stop selling so many tickets but by doing so voluntarily the club opened the door to them sanction wise.
Both sides are now in a daft situation and doubt very much the council would want to get into a legal situation when it may well be there are few if any safety issues involved (and politically it could be very damaging for them).
So the solution is what ? Sell the tickets and call SAG's bluff ?
 
We have a great chance of going up and having a cup run. Bramall Lane would be having capacity crowds. for the rest of the season. what do the officials do stop selling tickets. If this is voluntary they have shot themselves in the foot. I am hoping it,s the council and sag who have imposed the ban.either way they are not bothered about the fans who are loyal and don,t cause trouble.
 
Awful decision and now all the people who sit together as season ticket holders need to move elsewhere. If today is season ticket holders only, I'm presuming that is so you can claim your own seat? Do the victimised fans just get their pick of the free seats elsewhere today then?
Nope, season ticket holders have the right to buy any seat that is available for Blades fans, no seat is reserved so it's the same for all fans. I didn't get my seat in SS as many other haven't so it's quite likely one of the victimised fans has taken my seat, making me a victimised fan as well I suppose
 
Plenty of grumbles in the queue for Spurs tickets
View attachment 153797
The amount of people willing to spend absolutely fucking ages queuing for United tickets when all they have to do is buy them off the website never fails to amaze me.
And it’s just STH’s so none of that buying for Auntie Flo nonsense.
 

  • 2,000+ empty seats on the Kop because less than 100 fans aren't sitting in the right seats.
  • 2,000+ empty seats in the Bramall Lane corner for segregation.
  • 1,000 odd seats netted off or not sold for various nonsense reasons.
SUFC are not a serious football club.
Looks like a case of non sequitur between your points.
 

All advertisments are hidden for logged in members, why not log in/register?

All advertisments are hidden for logged in members, why not log in/register?

Back
Top Bottom