Wilson 'expects to lose Quinn'

[Ollessendro]

At this point I would just like to thank Kevin Blackwell and Trevor Birch. What a 'legacy'. Just before the callaitous sacking of KB, Trevor Birch allowed him to dish out unsustainable contracts to Monty, Quinn, Cresswell, Morgs and Simmonsen. With the exception of Quinn, all has/never been's with very little quality (depsite putting in a lot of effort). Now we are left with 3 players draining £1.5 of the club in wages a year and risking us not meeting the fair play rules.

 

[metalblade]

We signed two right backs because we had no recognised right backs at the club once Lowton was sold. You can't get through a season with 1 right back.

Like others have said, this was inevitable. We have sold youngsters and to me, the deals haven't always been bad ones but the money we got from the sales has been spent so badly at times. Robson, Blackwell, Birch and whoever else felt it necessary to give such long term contracts to ageing players have to take alot of the blame for the situation we find ourselves in.

No good blaming managers or Birch even McCabe hired them the buck stops with the man at the top why can't people accept that the man at the top has to take ultimate responsibility ???
If he owned your bank and one day you found there was no money in your account because the bank had gone tits up you would be calling for his head on a stick.

 

[DazBlade88]

No good blaming managers or Birch even McCabe hired them the buck stops with the man at the top why can't people accept that the man at the top has to take ultimate responsibility ???
If he owned your bank and one day you found there was no money in your account because the bank had gone tits up you would be calling for his head on a stick.

It's not just one person, they're all to blame. McCabe is included in that as he trusted them with these decisions but it's not all down to one particular individual.

 

[Bladesman]

No good blaming managers or Birch even McCabe hired them the buck stops with the man at the top why can't people accept that the man at the top has to take ultimate responsibility ???
If he owned your bank and one day you found there was no money in your account because the bank had gone tits up you would be calling for his head on a stick.

McCabe does shoulder a lot of the blame but he told Birch and Blackwell that cuts needed to be made in the wage bill a long time a go. Yet it seems Birch did the exact opposite and allowed Blackwell to renew contracts on stupid salerys. Birch is a bloody administrator for fucks sake who clearly didn't do his job properly despite commanding a stupid salary for himself (see what he wants from pompey).

McCabe appointed wrongly yes but clearly other people at the club who didn't do their jobs properly have blood on their hands so to speak.

 

[super_pig]

Trevor Birch allowed him to dish out unsustainable contracts to Monty, Quinn, Cresswell, Morgs and Simmonsen.

and you forgot darius henderson.. we've got rid of three of them.. we're making progress imo

 

[Rodley]

At least we've got a decent replacement in McFadzean.

 

[Fiery Blade]

At this point I would just like to thank Kevin Blackwell and Trevor Birch. What a 'legacy'. Just before the callaitous sacking of KB, Trevor Birch allowed him to dish out unsustainable contracts to Monty, Quinn, Cresswell, Morgs and Simmonsen. With the exception of Quinn, all has/never been's with very little quality (depsite putting in a lot of effort). Now we are left with 3 players draining £1.5 of the club in wages a year and risking us not meeting the fair play rules.

Thats propably all they are worth £1pound 50pence and that's debatable!!!

 

[God]

he's too good for this division and good luck to him.. whilst he is in the shop window we should get some outstanding performances then.. remind me.. when is the deadline??

Utter bollox IMHO. Will you idiots give over with this garbage. To suggest the lad ups his game during or nearing a transfer window is just an insult to him. You dont get voted into the PFA team by just performing at certain times now do you???? Suggest brain in gear then open gob.

 

[chipsncake]

At least we've got a decent replacement in McFadzean.

One for the future maybe, but quite clearly, if we are to put out a side capable of going up, not ready yet.

 

[chipsncake]

McCabe does shoulder a lot of the blame but he told Birch and Blackwell that cuts needed to be made in the wage bill a long time a go. Yet it seems Birch did the exact opposite and allowed Blackwell to renew contracts on stupid salerys. Birch is a bloody administrator for fucks sake who clearly didn't do his job properly despite commanding a stupid salary for himself (see what he wants from pompey).

McCabe appointed wrongly yes but clearly other people at the club who didn't do their jobs properly have blood on their hands so to speak.

So you're saying Birch had the authority to make decisions without them being rubber stamped by McCabe? If that's the case then McCabe deserves all the criticism he gets and more.

 

[chipsncake]

If Wilson clearly'expects to lose Quinn in this transfer window' then what has he done to deal with his expected loss - not unlike losing Williamson on the right we have Flynn and MacAllister neither up to the job

We appear to be paying wages to bit players none of which he trusts with a regular first team shirt - Philliskirk, Tonne, MacAllister, Westlake, Flynn, Porter, etc

Add to those names Monty, Cresswell and perhaps even Doyle and you have 9 players who we wouldn't miss if they never played another game for the club. What would a good manager be able to do with the money available if that little lot were taken off our hands?

 

[super_pig]

. To suggest the lad ups his game during or nearing a transfer window is just an insult to him. You dont get voted into the PFA team by just performing at certain times now do you????

utter bollox imho

 

[God]

utter bollox imho

'if it bleeds, we can kill it'

Any chance you can cut yourself shaving ????????

 

[JohnDenver]

'if it bleeds, we can kill it'

The words of the HR consultants recently employed at BDTBL?

 

[God]

According to a Paul Walker tweet this morning. Bad news.

Its not bad news its VERY bad news. Regardless of what some of the fruitcakes on here say, we wont manage top 8 without him.

 

[God]

The words of the HR consultants recently employed at BDTBL?

Mcabe/HR............ one and the same.

 

[Rustyblade]

DW hasn't replaced well at all so far. No planning, no strategy....s'all hit and hope and yes, I include last season in that. Can't see that changing if Quinn goes. All that'll happen is Danny's face'll get longer and his interviews more cryptic as he finds himself further and further out of his depth and realises McCabe's flogged all the life savers.

If we do manage to off-load all the senior wage drains, might as well offer Pemberton the job. See if he's daft enough to take it. Seems as if we've been sinking for a long time now and clutching at ever more flimsy straws on the way down. Tinkering around when root and branch reform was needed. A total clear out and restart. Danny's not the man for that. Don't think we've reached bottom yet but I am drunk and all this might well be subject to a post hang-over rethink. I doubt it though.

 

[bartman]

DW hasn't replaced well at all so far. No planning, no strategy....s'all hit and hope and yes, I include last season in that. Can't see that changing if Quinn goes. All that'll happen is Danny's face'll get longer and his interviews more cryptic as he finds himself further and further out of his depth and realises McCabe's flogged all the life savers.

If we do manage to off-load all the senior wage drains, might as well offer Pemberton the job. See if he's daft enough to take it. Seems as if we've been sinking for a long time now and clutching at ever more flimsy straws on the way down. Tinkering around when root and branch reform was needed. A total clear out and restart. Danny's not the man for that. Don't think we've reached bottom yet but I am drunk and all this might well be subject to a post hang-over rethink. I doubt it though.

I am glad you ended by saying you were drunk because alot of what you say is nonsense

no planning/strategy ?- changed style of play,turned a bunch of losers into promotion candidates,restricted by wages this season but brought young players in. Had to release 11 players (plus Lowton) and may possibly lose three more by the end of next week and has to try and replace on a fraction of the wage bill.

Out of his depth ?- why,because he has had to cut his wage bill by over 50% because of mismanagement above him?

If Quinn,Monty and Cresswell go,will McCabe allow him to brin in more players ? His hands may be tied

Surely a total clear out has started with potentially 15 players leaving. Wilson's job is to rebuild with the kids with the help of Pembo and hope the the experience of others such as KMac,Collins,Porter will push us through. He has got a difficult job ahead of him and we should all back him. Promotion will be difficult due to the instability but not impossible

 

[sitwell]

How the hell can he plan and form a strategy when he doesnt knowwhat positions he needs to fill and which players to play or replace ?
Total clear out and restart ?? If ever there was a more ridiculous statement Ive yet to see it.

 

[beightonblade]

Sell him ....and bring back Mick !

These overpaid twats running about in Blade shirts really piss me off !
Football has gone to the dogs !!!!!!

Twats the lot of em.

 

[Rustyblade]

Okay, sober now. Total rethink? Not so much.

Maybe I was overly critical of Danny but I still don't think he's the man to bring the youth through. He seems to like experience above all qualities and would always select this over youth if it was available. I don't think he's brave enough for what we need right now.

Our planning and strategy? Well, if the idea was to reach the point where we are now, hats off.

Most of it's mismanagement from above, yes and Danny's hands are tied but there have been times along the way when we've put off doing what we find ourselves having to do now and the longer we left it the worse the eventual impact. Despite last season, I still think that relegation should have signalled the start of the off-loading and not this season.

We didn't bite the bullet when we should have regarding the high wage earners, we failed to put relegation clauses in their contracts and are now having to let people like Mick Rooker go. All this talk about cutting our cloth.....never really happened, did it? Ever since relegation from the Prem, it's only ever been fiddling round the edges until now. After each relegation, the decision was taken to largely maintain a high wage structure and it didn't work on either occasion.

And I can't absolve Danny from all of this because he's the manager and it's his job to make contingency plans. The only real bad luck he's had in this regard is Hoskins. If so much is out of his hands, he's no more than a head coach. And if this is indeed the case, I think Pemberton would make a better one than Danny.

 

[JohnDenver]

We didn't bite the bullet when we should have regarding the high wage earners, we failed to put relegation clauses in their contracts and are now having to let people like Mick Rooker go. All this talk about cutting our cloth.....never really happened, did it? Ever since relegation from the Prem, it's only ever been fiddling round the edges until now. After each relegation, the decision was taken to largely maintain a high wage structure and it didn't work on either occasion.

This is the crux. Only in Blackwell's first full season was it worth gambling with the wage bill. After that it was utter madness, as certain folk did say so at the time.

Kindness would lead me to suggest McCabe has underwritten this daft borrowing due to his willingness to bring success. But it couldn't go on indefinitely and certainly not under the quality of management, both football and financial, that we've employed.

I don't agree with anything else you've said by the way.

 

[super_pig]

'if it bleeds, we can kill it'

heh.. naah mate i use an electric

 

[Ollessendro]

I am glad you ended by saying you were drunk because alot of what you say is nonsense

no planning/strategy ?- changed style of play,turned a bunch of losers into promotion candidates,restricted by wages this season but brought young players in. Had to release 11 players (plus Lowton) and may possibly lose three more by the end of next week and has to try and replace on a fraction of the wage bill.

Out of his depth ?- why,because he has had to cut his wage bill by over 50% because of mismanagement above him?

If Quinn,Monty and Cresswell go,will McCabe allow him to brin in more players ? His hands may be tied

Surely a total clear out has started with potentially 15 players leaving. Wilson's job is to rebuild with the kids with the help of Pembo and hope the the experience of others such as KMac,Collins,Porter will push us through. He has got a difficult job ahead of him and we should all back him. Promotion will be difficult due to the instability but not impossible

geez. You talk more sense when you are pissed

 

[Princess Annes Dog]

Surely a total clear out has started with potentially 15 players leaving. Wilson's job is to rebuild with the kids with the help of Pembo and hope the the experience of others such as KMac,Collins,Porter will push us through. He has got a difficult job ahead of him and we should all back him. Promotion will be difficult due to the instability but not impossible

For goodness sake, you are just the type of fan McCabe tosses over. You're still dreaming mate, you're off in some utopic place where something good can suddenly happen from our current predicament. It's not going to happen! McCABE IS KILLING THE CLUB FFS, HE'S TRYING TO SELL ANYONE WHO'S WORTH OWT, HE'S NOT GOING TO REPLACE THEM AND HE'S GOING TO LEAVE US WITH FUCK ALL!!!

Re-build? How the fuck can we re-build when every time we sell a player the manager doesn't see any of the cash? You and I can spout all the bollocks we like on here, you can say we should support the ex-pig with all our might but why? He knew what he was getting when he took charge so let's not degrade ourselves by clapping like a bunch of uneducated seals just because we managed to scrape a point at the mighty Colchester. Are you happy to do that? Happy to squeeze a 1 - 0 win against Shrewsbury and piss yourself because we won our first game of the season in the pub league? I'm not, I hate it. I hate the current predicament and I hate everything we're in danger of becoming.

There is no re-building here, we're being dismantled but no worries, McCabe is a MASSIVE Blade so at least it'll all be done in the best interests of the club and when we have no team to support anymore it won't really be all that bad because uncle Kev will have got some pay back on his loans which is all that really matters right now. What a twat, and still there are folks out there who think he's the second coming.

Oh and one more thing, seriously, could you imagine us playing at a higher level? With no investment just more cutting? Scary stuff, we're a joke as it is but the thought of that just leaves me cold.

 

[bartman]

Again

For goodness sake, you are just the type of fan McCabe tosses over. You're still dreaming mate, you're off in some utopic place where something good can suddenly happen from our current predicament. It's not going to happen! McCABE IS KILLING THE CLUB FFS, HE'S TRYING TO SELL ANYONE WHO'S WORTH OWT, HE'S NOT GOING TO REPLACE THEM AND HE'S GOING TO LEAVE US WITH FUCK ALL!!!

Re-build? How the fuck can we re-build when every time we sell a player the manager doesn't see any of the cash? You and I can spout all the bollocks we like on here, you can say we should support the ex-pig with all our might but why? He knew what he was getting when he took charge so let's not degrade ourselves by clapping like a bunch of uneducated seals just because we managed to scrape a point at the mighty Colchester. Are you happy to do that? Happy to squeeze a 1 - 0 win against Shrewsbury and piss yourself because we won our first game of the season in the pub league? I'm not, I hate it. I hate the current predicament and I hate everything we're in danger of becoming.

There is no re-building here, we're being dismantled but no worries, McCabe is a MASSIVE Blade so at least it'll all be done in the best interests of the club and when we have no team to support anymore it won't really be all that bad because uncle Kev will have got some pay back on his loans which is all that really matters right now. What a twat, and still there are folks out there who think he's the second coming.

Oh and one more thing, seriously, could you imagine us playing at a higher level? With no investment just more cutting? Scary stuff, we're a joke as it is but the thought of that just leaves me cold.

Once more you have started spouting without thinking or reading what has been posted but instead chose to to to be aggressive and use bad language in posts because you think it is more effective.

At what point have I backed McCabe in my posts ? Indeed if you look back at my posts over the last few months you will note that I have been critical of the way he has been running the club. My post doesn't even mention any praise ofMcCabe but you have turned it into a McCabe rant. Why ? Who on here has said McCabe is the '2nd coming' or even hinted at it? It is only posters like you and your ilk who keep on these anti McCabe rants when I cannot recall many on here backing him for many months. I even mentioned in my post that DW's hands may be tied by McCabe even if he sells. How you interpretted this as 'pro McCabe' ?

Rebuild ? What choice do we have? Close the club down ? Come on,tell us . What would YOU do ? I have asked you this on several occasions but you always ignore. How would YOU resolve our current financial problems within the FFP rules. You do alot of 'clapper' insults as a way of gettin your point over but you have no solution. Lay yopur cards on the table. DW has to rebuild and KM is selling to cover the losses he has caused t the club to make. Is that so difficult to understand ? (even thou it is not palatable)

We are are third tier club. No one is happy with that but we are where we are and are all worried about what might happen. However some on here like to see some positives....yes we played some great football yesterday,missed a chance of a good win as I have said on another thread but but some on here don't like positive news as it goes against their anti SUFC agenda.

Can I see us playing at a higher level? What a stupid question. I can't see any side at this level playing in the championship as the squad would need completely changing. Same as the clubs promoted last season have had to do.

I don't like where we are as much as the next fan however we aren't so blind with rage and vitriol that we cannot see the occasional green shoot.

 

[CG Blade]

Again
Once more you have started spouting without thinking or reading what has been posted but instead chose to to to be aggressive and use bad language in posts because you think it is more effective.

At what point have I backed McCabe in my posts ? Indeed if you look back at my posts over the last few months you will note that I have been critical of the way he has been running the club. My post doesn't even mention any praise ofMcCabe but you have turned it into a McCabe rant. Why ? Who on here has said McCabe is the '2nd coming' or even hinted at it? It is only posters like you and your ilk who keep on these anti McCabe rants when I cannot recall many on here backing him for many months. I even mentioned in my post that DW's hands may be tied by McCabe even if he sells. How you interpretted this as 'pro McCabe' ?

Rebuild ? What choice do we have? Close the club down ? Come on,tell us . What would YOU do ? I have asked you this on several occasions but you always ignore. How would YOU resolve our current financial problems within the FFP rules. You do alot of 'clapper' insults as a way of gettin your point over but you have no solution. Lay yopur cards on the table. DW has to rebuild and KM is selling to cover the losses he has caused t the club to make. Is that so difficult to understand ? (even thou it is not palatable)

We are are third tier club. No one is happy with that but we are where we are and are all worried about what might happen. However some on here like to see some positives....yes we played some great football yesterday,missed a chance of a good win as I have said on another thread but but some on here don't like positive news as it goes against their anti SUFC agenda.

Can I see us playing at a higher level? What a stupid question. I can't see any side at this level playing in the championship as the squad would need completely changing. Same as the clubs promoted last season have had to do.

I don't like where we are as much as the next fan however we aren't so blind with rage and vitriol that we cannot see the occasional green shoot.

Well said that man,

Mccabe has made plenty of mistakes, and he has put is in this position, but there is no other way out now, but to cut,, nothing more he can do other then make the cuts required to keep us afloat or sell up, but can he fined a buyer that will take us forward.

Not a defender of McCabe, as she of his decision making has been shocking, but he is also not I am sure a bottomless pit, so unpleasant decisions have to be made. Still ask if it had been our money how long after the dream had died, would we have been still willing to fund the club.

 

[Toronto Blade]

Okay, sober now. Total rethink? Not so much.

Maybe I was overly critical of Danny but I still don't think he's the man to bring the youth through. He seems to like experience above all qualities and would always select this over youth if it was available. I don't think he's brave enough for what we need right now.

Our planning and strategy? Well, if the idea was to reach the point where we are now, hats off.

Most of it's mismanagement from above, yes and Danny's hands are tied but there have been times along the way when we've put off doing what we find ourselves having to do now and the longer we left it the worse the eventual impact. Despite last season, I still think that relegation should have signalled the start of the off-loading and not this season.

We didn't bite the bullet when we should have regarding the high wage earners, we failed to put relegation clauses in their contracts and are now having to let people like Mick Rooker go. All this talk about cutting our cloth.....never really happened, did it? Ever since relegation from the Prem, it's only ever been fiddling round the edges until now. After each relegation, the decision was taken to largely maintain a high wage structure and it didn't work on either occasion.

And I can't absolve Danny from all of this because he's the manager and it's his job to make contingency plans. The only real bad luck he's had in this regard is Hoskins. If so much is out of his hands, he's no more than a head coach. And if this is indeed the case, I think Pemberton would make a better one than Danny.

Okay, sober now. Total rethink? Not so much.

Maybe I was overly critical of Danny but I still don't think he's the man to bring the youth through. He seems to like experience above all qualities and would always select this over youth if it was available. I don't think he's brave enough for what we need right now.

Our planning and strategy? Well, if the idea was to reach the point where we are now, hats off.

Most of it's mismanagement from above, yes and Danny's hands are tied but there have been times along the way when we've put off doing what we find ourselves having to do now and the longer we left it the worse the eventual impact. Despite last season, I still think that relegation should have signalled the start of the off-loading and not this season.

We didn't bite the bullet when we should have regarding the high wage earners, we failed to put relegation clauses in their contracts and are now having to let people like Mick Rooker go. All this talk about cutting our cloth.....never really happened, did it? Ever since relegation from the Prem, it's only ever been fiddling round the edges until now. After each relegation, the decision was taken to largely maintain a high wage structure and it didn't work on either occasion.

And I can't absolve Danny from all of this because he's the manager and it's his job to make contingency plans. The only real bad luck he's had in this regard is Hoskins. If so much is out of his hands, he's no more than a head coach. And if this is indeed the case, I think Pemberton would make a better one than Danny.

DW must believe that the youth are not yet good enough for League 1,the most promising have been sold .
If Tonne for example couldn't break into non league York's lineup last season why after a summer break would he be good enough for League 1.

 

[Princess Annes Dog]

Again Once more you have started spouting without thinking or reading what has been posted but instead chose to to to be aggressive and use bad language in posts because you think it is more effective.

Apologies, I forgot how precious some of you are.

At what point have I backed McCabe in my posts ? Indeed if you look back at my posts over the last few months you will note that I have been critical of the way he has been running the club. My post doesn't even mention any praise ofMcCabe but you have turned it into a McCabe rant. Why ? Who on here has said McCabe is the '2nd coming' or even hinted at it? It is only posters like you and your ilk who keep on these anti McCabe rants when I cannot recall many on here backing him for many months. I even mentioned in my post that DW's hands may be tied by McCabe even if he sells. How you interpretted this as 'pro McCabe' ?

Me and my ilk I like it Oh and sorry but if you aren't with us then you're against us as the saying goes. I haven't made a conscious effort to follow your posts so really don't know what you've been posting. What made me "turn this into a McCabe rant" was your inferrance that the "total clearout" was somehow planned. That we'll be better for it. Time will tell, but this thread is about losing Quinn, and losing one of our better players can't be a good thing no matter how you dress it up.

Rebuild ? What choice do we have? Close the club down ? Come on,tell us . What would YOU do ? I have asked you this on several occasions but you always ignore. How would YOU resolve our current financial problems within the FFP rules. You do alot of 'clapper' insults as a way of gettin your point over but you have no solution. Lay yopur cards on the table. DW has to rebuild and KM is selling to cover the losses he has caused t the club to make. Is that so difficult to understand ? (even thou it is not palatable)

You ask me what I would do? I'd have done it years ago mate. I'd have fought tooth and nail to keep us in the Premiership, I wouldn't have sanctioned the purchases of the players that the illustrious Neil Warnock brought in. I wouldn't have allowed us to get in this state. Hindsight's great, but some of us were saying it at the time so why should I come up with a master plan to get us out of the shit when I'm not the one who got us in there.

We are are third tier club. No one is happy with that but we are where we are and are all worried about what might happen. However some on here like to see some positives....yes we played some great football yesterday,missed a chance of a good win as I have said on another thread but but some on here don't like positive news as it goes against their anti SUFC agenda.

OK, show me the positive news and I'll jump all over it and give it a big cuddle.

Can I see us playing at a higher level? What a stupid question. I can't see any side at this level playing in the championship as the squad would need completely changing. Same as the clubs promoted last season have had to do.

The scum aren't doing too bad are they? My point was that even had we been promoted we wouldn't have spent anything like enough to stay there, or even to make a decent fist of it.

I don't like where we are as much as the next fan however we aren't so blind with rage and vitriol that we cannot see the occasional green shoot.

Again, show me the green shoot.

Listen, fair enough my posts are quite vitriolic but please don't think that's simply for effect. I'm angry, I'm unhappy, I'm sad at what's been done to something I've loved over the years and sitting on my hands watching isn't something I'm happy to do. Please show me some green shoots, I'd love to see why some of you can see anything good in the current situation because honestly, all I can see is us disappearing into a black hole.

 

[metalblade]

I must be of your ilk too I guess, the only good news from the lane in a long time has been Mick Rooker is staying. I can't remember things being this bad even in the 4th division.