Am I being even more simple?

[dingledog]

If I was the club I would be asking our two most expensive players to play just for the amount they are paid to sit in the stand. If I was one of the players I would be offering to play for that sum. It would get me in the 'shop window' and also allow me to do what I love, play football. It seems too simple a solution.

 

[Grecian2000]

If I was the club I would be asking our two most expensive players to play just for the amount they are paid to sit in the stand. If I was one of the players I would be offering to play for that sum. It would get me in the 'shop window' and also allow me to do what I love, play football. It seems too simple a solution.

Yep, too simple DD.

The modern day footballer cares not one jot for actually playing the game. Look at the likes of Wayne Bridge who spent years sitting on various benches for Chelsea rather than get out and play for anyone else. It's all about the dosh and fuck all to do with enjoying the game I'm afraid.

They couldn't give a shiny shite for playing and are more than happy to sit on their collective arse and ponce the money off us.

 

[Torrix1889]

Think it's more the fear of either one picking up a knock. The club are obviously desperate to off-load Monty and Cressy before the end of the window, in fact our whole budget probably relies on them being sold..!

 

[essexblade87]

Theres also the problem that they don't figure in the way Wilson wants us to play. Happens at every club and many players

 

[HoodedClaw]

I agree with Essexblade.

Im not totally convinced by the "Financial Reasons" stuff, DW would hardly be a good man manager if he came out and said "They arent on ther bench because they're shite"

Whats the big deal with this anyway, we all wanted more Academy and young hungry players playing, now thats the case people are getting upset because old shite players arent

My head hurts

 

[Grecian2000]

Im not totally convinced by the "Financial Reasons" stuff, DW would hardly be a good man manager if he came out and said "They arent on ther bench because they're shite"

So you're saying DW is lying on the radio and making us seem like a destitute joke in order to save the feelings of two players he has no intention of ever picking again? Presumably KM is OK with this as a policy as well?

I don't think anyone is bemoaning their absence per se (I wouldn't pick either unless there were only 9 other fit players and even then I'd bring my own boots instead of using Monty), but being told you CAN'T play them is a serious message that no-one would put out lightly.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Might be more to do with the 'additional payments' rather than basic salary. Cresswell is probably on a goal bonus, possibly an appearance bonus (paid per game or more likely a lump sum after x number) and Monty could be on a similar deal (without the goal bonus obviously!).

I suspect both are close to a fairly hefty payment for a certain number of appearances, hence the non-selection.

 

[StarBlade]

I agree with Essexblade.

Im not totally convinced by the "Financial Reasons" stuff, DW would hardly be a good man manager if he came out and said "They arent on ther bench because they're shite"

Whats the big deal with this anyway, we all wanted more Academy and young hungry players playing, now thats the case people are getting upset because old shite players arent

My head hurts

I agree, but I think it's just the means rather than the end that is the issue. This has happened at other clubs before and the modern player might get £5k for working and £5k for not-working. It depends on your attitude/loyalty to what option you'd take.

Personally, I find the situation saddening rather than anything else. Reserve side chopped, people in the club losing their jobs, but we're still contractually obliged to pay thousands of pounds a week to people who don't/can't/won't play for us despite being able to, for whatever reason.

 

[HoodedClaw]

So you're saying DW is lying on the radio and making us seem like a destitute joke in order to save the feelings of two players he has no intention of ever picking again? Presumably KM is OK with this as a policy as well?

Sorry I didnt appreciate it was a well kept secret that we have financial issues. I feel It has nothing to do with the feelings of the 2 playes concerned, more to do with how the rest of the players may view it if he slags them off.

Im struggling to think of any manager of any club that has come out and said "Yeah so and so is fit but Im not picking them 'cos they're shite".

Imagine working in a firm where the boss slags a couple of employees in the press for being shite, what would the other employees think/feel about that, for me it would raise serious questions about whether I want to do my all for him/her. Do wonders for morale in the company dont you think.

I personally dont think KM gives a toss about it really, seeing as he's come out and said what financial state we're in, and how much relegation has affected income etc etc.

but being told you CAN'T play them is a serious message that no-one would put out lightly.

Not everything is black and white in football, you are making an assumption that DW has been told not to pick them, Im offering a different reason why he might say what he has.

After all Beattie had flu and wasnt being sold...

 

[Kenilworth]

Imagine working in a firm where the boss slags a couple of employees in the press for being shite, what would the other employees think/feel about that, for me it would raise serious questions about whether I want to do my all for him/her. Do wonders for morale in the company dont you think.

Have you not been keeping tabs on the goings on in the land of the magic roundabouts where this odious little man is creating negative waves?

 

[Grecian2000]

Not everything is black and white in football, you are making an assumption that DW has been told not to pick them, Im offering a different reason why he might say what he has.

After all Beattie had flu and wasnt being sold...

Hokey cokey, no wish to get into an argument over it.

My last word on it though. I am not making an assumption, I am quoting what DW said. His actual words (or as close as makes no difference). "Yes, Cressy and Monty are fit, but they weren't included due to instructions from 'upstairs'".
Although, thinking about it, I am assuming "upstairs" doesn't mean he's being directly instructed by God in which case we'd be in deeper shit than anyone thought.

 

[Latters]

Hokey cokey, no wish to get into an argument over it.

My last word on it though. I am not making an assumption, I am quoting what DW said. His actual words (or as close as makes no difference). "Yes, Cressy and Monty are fit, but they weren't included due to instructions from 'upstairs'".
Although, thinking about it, I am assuming "upstairs" doesn't mean he's being directly instructed by God in which case we'd be in deeper shit than anyone thought.

God has probably finally had enough of the fact that he gave Monty the "gift" of being able to run around in lots of circles for ages and he has wasted that by getting a job as a footballer instead of his intended purpose as a chicken chaser or something similar.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

God has probably finally had enough of the fact that he gave Monty the "gift" of being able to run around in lots of circles for ages and he has wasted that by getting a job as a footballer instead of his intended purpose as a chicken chaser or something similar.

Roundabout attendant?

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Have you not been keeping tabs on the goings on in the land of the magic roundabouts where this odious little man is creating negative waves?

He may be odious, and an ex-oinker, but he's just so promising - He's a classic head case and one of these days, he's going to throw one of the best wobblers of all time. A ticking time bomb primed for the Premier League.

 

[bartman]

Might be more to do with the 'additional payments' rather than basic salary. Cresswell is probably on a goal bonus, possibly an appearance bonus (paid per game or more likely a lump sum after x number) and Monty could be on a similar deal (without the goal bonus obviously!).

I suspect both are close to a fairly hefty payment for a certain number of appearances, hence the non-selection.

I think you are pretty close to the truth,imo. We are probably over our wage budget target already and playing them (and therefore paying more) would put us in a worse situation. I have not like what KM has done recently but I cannot see what choice he has on this one. Also,DW isn't stupid(i hope)...he must have expected this when we didn't get promoted as everyone else did

 

[Bladesman]

I agree with Essexblade.

Im not totally convinced by the "Financial Reasons" stuff, DW would hardly be a good man manager if he came out and said "They arent on ther bench because they're shite"

Whats the big deal with this anyway, we all wanted more Academy and young hungry players playing, now thats the case people are getting upset because old shite players arent

My head hurts

That is true.

The likes of Ironside are getting nearer the first team then that surely is a good thing? When we got relegated most of us wanted to see more of the young and hungry acadamy players being guided to the first team.

Also getting experience in the squad (to replace the high earners we have to offload) is not too hard to find there are still many free transfers to be had out there. Especially if the likes of David Healy can sign for Bury!

 

[SwissBlade]

I think that this goes back to the "monty loyalty" thread.

 

[Sirius]

I agree, but I think it's just the means rather than the end that is the issue. This has happened at other clubs before and the modern player might get £5k for working and £5k for not-working. It depends on your attitude/loyalty to what option you'd take.

Personally, I find the situation saddening rather than anything else. Reserve side chopped, people in the club losing their jobs, but we're still contractually obliged to pay thousands of pounds a week to people who don't/can't/won't play for us despite being able to, for whatever reason.

Sad to hear of job losses, but were we overstaffed with job descriptions overlapping?. Is Mr Batho still at the club?
Not wishing to pick on him, but he does seem to have moved positions a few timesa within the club. United have always been known for being tight with the finances. At one time, I believe that the manager had to double up as secretary/ manager. The Board were also involved in team selection. I remember Jimmy Sirrel sp was quite happy to sweep out the dressing rooms.

 

[beightonblade]

Hey.........take a pay cut or fook off!

Simple DD.

 

[dingledog]

Hey.........take a pay cut or fook off!

Simple DD.

That would be my management style as well BB.

 

[Foxy]

Sad to hear of job losses, but were we overstaffed with job descriptions overlapping?. Is Mr Batho still at the club?
Not wishing to pick on him, but he does seem to have moved positions a few timesa within the club. United have always been known for being tight with the finances.

Until the next few weeks are over with I'd suggest it'll be hard for people to tell who is "still at the club" and I'd imagine we'll only find out through hearsay and noticing them no longer in their positions.

What I would say, is that people generally have absolutely no idea what people's jobs actually entail or the standards they meet within those. Many people at the Lane (as in other walks of life) are facing up to the possibility of redundancy with mortgages to pay and families to feed.

Whilst football is an emotive subject and one I'll always fight for people to be able to express their opinions on, it's not the place of fans to speculate or suggest whether or not people should remain in a job. If nothing else, it's just respect for fellow human beings and Blades.

Many of them read the forum, and I'd hazard a guess will continue to do so... I'd ask everyone to show them the respect they deserve.

 

[Selly]

Until the next few weeks are over with I'd suggest it'll be hard for people to tell who is "still at the club" and I'd imagine we'll only find out through hearsay and noticing them no longer in there positions.

What I would say, is that people generally have absolutely no idea what people's jobs actually entail or the standards they meet within those. Many people at the Lane (as in other walks of life) are facing up to the possibility of redundancy with mortgages to pay and families to feed.

Whilst football is an emotive subject and one I'll always fight for people to be able to express their opinions on, it's not the place of fans to speculate or suggest whether or not people should remain in a job. If nothing else, it's just respect for fellow human beings and Blades.

Many of them read the forum, and I'd hazard a guess will continue to do so... I'd ask everyone to show them the respect they deserve.

Spot on.

Clearly the cuts need to be made, but behind every cut is someone, an individual, who no longer has a job.

 

[dingledog]

It's tough out there at the moment and football has no right to be exempt. The really sad bit is that some players agents have yet to 'wake up and smell the coffee'. For non playing staff it's a truly awful time and they have my sympathy. I have very little sympathy for some over paid egotistical underperforming average footballers.

As a point of interest I don't include Monty or Cressy in this category. In many ways they are victims of football clubs stupidity. I'm sure they are genuine guys who signed a contract in good faith on the understanding their employers would honoured it. It is being honoured to the letter of the contract but maybe not in spirit. If some fool offers you a fortune, is it your duty to point out their stupidity, I think not.

Thank god our chairman is an international businessman who wouldn't be foolish enough to make that mistake. Oops he did.