Some Thoughts on Tonight

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Being as I'm home already after a swift walk from New York.

A draw would have probably been a fair result. It was your typical friendly really. Disjointed and didn't help that we clearly didn't have our first 11 out at any stage.

May have got players wrong below as there were few announcements, so apologies for that.

Howard - Simo reincarnated. Great shot stopping. So so so so flappy. VERY uncertain of him.

Westlake - Looked solid at right back, did fine at left. Got forward plenty in first half.
Williams - Just not athletic enough for me. Again, did okay, but Ainsworth was excellent for them so had a job on.
Hill - Hmmmm. He's NOT a central defender, and had experienced strikers against him. Did okay is best I can say. And played better in second half.
Maguire - Good as usual, couple of small errors and Odejayi was a bloody nightmare for him in the second.

Flynn - Struggle to see how he offers a good outlet long term really. Not got the pace nor trickery. Good enough end product though.
Tonne - Very poor. Sorry Foxy and Bergs. Did little in the 45 minutes he was on.
McAllister - See above really. Despite not possibly being our worst players, Tonne and McAllister were our most disappointing.
Monty - He was Monty really. But our best midfielder of the starting four. A couple of fairly acceptable passes.

Porter - Tried hard, won little. Porter is as Porter does.
Cofie - EASILY our best player of our starting 11. Strong, great touch, dangerous. Tired quickly in second half but he was excellent overall. Stunning goal assuming he meant it.

SUBS
McMahon - very good. Got forward plenty even if Flynn ignored him. Limited Ainsworth in second much more than Westlake did.
McDonald - bit sluggish really, but still a million miles better than McAllister and Monty in the first.
Doyle - as above, but the better of the two central midfielders in the second.
Quinn - Man of the match for us IMO. If we get this Quinn through the season and he doesn't go, we'll go up. As we know, it's unlikely we will though. The archetypal excellent Quinn performance.
Cresswell - a better version of Porter. Should start with Cofie.
Miller - quite happy with his contribution. Worked hard, fair enough touch and I think he'll improve.

All in all, some very good signs, and a number of worrying ones. Only a friendly so a pinch of salt should be taken it goes without saying.

For them, Pringle was outstanding and deserved his MotM award. Ainsworth caused us shedloads of problems too and he's the type of right winger I'd really like at the lane.

Good banter between the two sets of supporters as you'd guess, and the NY stadium is a tidy little ground.


Good report that, i made my way to the New York Stadium for the biggest crowd the stadium will ever see. Agree with some houso but i will list my thoughts on players.

Howard- Agree with what you say exactly, he worries me.
Westlake- Did OK at right back but i thought he looked out of place at left.
Hill- Never a centre half i agree
Williams- like porter he is williams not a gifted footballer
Maguire- looked the same as usual still slow but reads the game well prefer collins beside him
Flynn- Just not a fan never seems to beat a full back plus can't cross a ball
Monty- Is monty end of
McAllister- never really in the game had a poor effort on goal
Tonne- not good enough IMO glad to see him go off
Porter- tries hard as you say but sorry not good enough
Cofie- quite excited by him great finish hope he lives up to his potencial

SUBS
McMahon - very good. reads the game well
McDonald - not at his best but a lot better than McAllister.
Doyle - as above, but the better of the two central midfielders in the second.
Quinn - seems to do better when he comes on as sub, looking at him last night i think we need to keep him
Cresswell - a better version of Porter. Should start with Cofie.
Miller - thought he was rubbish to be honest but i can see him improving might chip in with 6 or 7.

Thought Quavers i mean pringle was by far there best player if we do lose quinn i'd be straight on the phone got a great left peg.
 



Very disappointed to see no one "did the simple things well" or "won several headers".
 
The most amazing revelation is Houso is now living in Rotherham.
 
Bloody comedians.
 
Because McCabe is worth tens of millions of pounds and can afford to pay him if he wishes to do so.

He may not want to do this, but he can do it.
 
Won't the financial fair play rules mean that McCabe's 'Millions' are even more redundant than usual though?

I'm not sure where we are in the ratio at the moment, but with only Ched and Willo of the high earners not on the books at the moment, we can't have entirely rectified our books yet surely.
 
I'm not sure where we are in the ratio at the moment, but with only Ched and Willo of the high earners not on the books at the moment, we can't have entirely rectified our books yet surely.

If there was a real problem on this front, Quinn would have gone before Lowton, because Quinn's fee and wages of the books > Lowton's fees and wages off the books given how "crippling" Quinn's wages are. I do not buy it.

And as I have said before, Cresswell's wages (and Montgomery's under his insane new deal) were set since we have been whining about how broke we are. I accept they are high by League one standards but they are not so high as to be unaffordable.

This whole "crippling wages" line is lined up to be a convenient excuse when Quinn or Maguire are sold. Book it.
 
I'm not sure where we are in the ratio at the moment, but with only Ched and Willo of the high earners not on the books at the moment, we can't have entirely rectified our books yet surely.

If there was a real problem on this front, Quinn would have gone before Lowton, because Quinn's fee and wages of the books > Lowton's fees and wages off the books given how "crippling" Quinn's wages are. I do not buy it.

And as I have said before, Cresswell's wages (and Montgomery's under his insane new deal) were set since we have been whining about how broke we are. I accept they are high by League one standards but they are not so high as to be unaffordable.

This whole "crippling wages" line is lined up to be a convenient excuse when Quinn or Maguire are sold. Book it.

Regardless of who we'd all prefer to leave to lower our wage levels, surely it's a simple supply and demand issue. No one wants Monty or Cresswell... even on a free. And we had to take the Lowton fee when it was offered... and if it was anywhere near the reported level, it was a very good deal.
 
I'm not sure where we are in the ratio at the moment, but with only Ched and Willo of the high earners not on the books at the moment, we can't have entirely rectified our books yet surely.

If there was a real problem on this front, Quinn would have gone before Lowton, because Quinn's fee and wages of the books > Lowton's fees and wages off the books given how "crippling" Quinn's wages are. I do not buy it.

And as I have said before, Cresswell's wages (and Montgomery's under his insane new deal) were set since we have been whining about how broke we are. I accept they are high by League one standards but they are not so high as to be unaffordable.

This whole "crippling wages" line is lined up to be a convenient excuse when Quinn or Maguire are sold. Book it.

Whether you buy anything or not is not the point, we can't afford it. Quinn, Monty and Cresswell are estimated at £1.8 million of our wages for the year. Our season tickets bring in between 3 and 4 million before we talk about TV money(oops, no tv money), sponsorship and other gate receipts..... so do tell how we can afford it because Kevin can't and unfortunately for us more importantly Simon McCabe won't let us run like this anymore.
 
Regardless of who we'd all prefer to leave to lower our wage levels, surely it's a simple supply and demand issue. No one wants Monty or Cresswell... even on a free. And we had to take the Lowton fee when it was offered... and if it was anywhere near the reported level, it was a very good deal.

One day, someone is going to have to sit me down and explain exactly how a club that has consistently done "very good deals" ends up skint, assetless and in the third tier, because I'm really stuggling to square it.
 
One day, someone is going to have to sit me down and explain exactly how a club that has consistently done "very good deals" ends up skint, assetless and in the third tier, because I'm really stuggling to square it.

Because while we've done mostly good outgoing deals (one or two notable exceptions no one can disagree), we've done an equal number of very bad deals; especially when it comes to wages. Add to that failure on the pitch, poor managerial appointments, poor executive appointments and a determination to keep it all affordable for us lot.

McCabe started so well, but he clung too hard to his vision and his decision making presumably suffered as a result. Had we scored another goal against Wigan, I would wager we'd be in a position more akin to Stoke now and not have the tell tale marks of self abuse up and down our arms. Just me?
 
so do tell how we can afford it because Kevin can't and unfortunately for us more importantly Simon McCabe won't let us run like this anymore.

Thanks for explaining yourself. The answer appears to be the owners won't pay, not that they can't pay.
 
It started with Robson and ended with Blackwell/Birch and we have paid for it ever since. It's been like watching a slow motion car crash since we last got promoted.
 



One day, someone is going to have to sit me down and explain exactly how a club that has consistently done "very good deals" ends up skint, assetless and in the third tier, because I'm really stuggling to square it.
I'm just glad we've still got a club to support

Back of the net
 
If there was a real problem on this front, Quinn would have gone before Lowton, because Quinn's fee and wages of the books > Lowton's fees and wages off the books given how "crippling" Quinn's wages are. I do not buy it.

There's me thinking all this time that we could only get rid of players if another club wanted them, didn't realise we could just get rid of who we wanted with a click of our fingers.

Click... Click...

WTF are Monty and Cresswell still doing here??
 
so do tell how we can afford it because Kevin can't and unfortunately for us more importantly Simon McCabe won't let us run like this anymore.

Thanks for explaining yourself. The answer appears to be the owners won't pay, not that they can't pay.

One day and I am not sure when but you might be surprised that you have that the wrong way round
 
There's me thinking all this time that we could only get rid of players if another club wanted them, didn't realise we could just get rid of who we wanted with a click of our fingers.

Click... Click...

WTF are Monty and Cresswell still doing here??

Strawman alert. I know they are sunk costs, which is why I did not mention them. There is interest in Quinn, and he can (and I suspect will) be sold.

One day and I am not sure when but you might be surprised that you have that the wrong way round

That's all we need, Scarborough dragging United down with them.
 
I'm not sure where we are in the ratio at the moment, but with only Ched and Willo of the high earners not on the books at the moment, we can't have entirely rectified our books yet surely.

If there was a real problem on this front, Quinn would have gone before Lowton, because Quinn's fee and wages of the books > Lowton's fees and wages off the books given how "crippling" Quinn's wages are. I do not buy it.

And as I have said before, Cresswell's wages (and Montgomery's under his insane new deal) were set since we have been whining about how broke we are. I accept they are high by League one standards but they are not so high as to be unaffordable.

This whole "crippling wages" line is lined up to be a convenient excuse when Quinn or Maguire are sold. Book it.

Quinn's still here because his wages are enormous, noit because nobody wants his - I don't think the Lowton comparison holds.

"Unaffordable" is a subjective statement. Losing shit loads of money is sadly a fact, backed up by yearly accounts. Yes, McCabe has the money in other accounts. So do the combined 10,000 ex season ticket holders who's interest has gone the same way as McCabe's. None of it helps though.

UTB
 
One day, someone is going to have to sit me down and explain exactly how a club that has consistently done "very good deals" ends up skint, assetless and in the third tier, because I'm really stuggling to square it.

1. Pay out £40,000 per week to the likes of Beattie, Naysmith and Speed - and £20,000 to Evans - to a point where your wages exceed £20M per year.

2. Buy lots of properrty at the peak of a property boom.

Which bit don't you see?

UTB
 
Because while we've done mostly good outgoing deals (one or two notable exceptions no one can disagree), we've done an equal number of very bad deals; especially when it comes to wages. Add to that failure on the pitch, poor managerial appointments, poor executive appointments and a determination to keep it all affordable for us lot.

McCabe started so well, but he clung too hard to his vision and his decision making presumably suffered as a result. Had we scored another goal against Wigan, I would wager we'd be in a position more akin to Stoke now and not have the tell tale marks of self abuse up and down our arms. Just me?

Good stuff Hotto and nicely balanced out. A point that rolls into both this and Sheffield/Rev's discussions is - if we accept that bad decsions re wages/appointments etc have been made on his watch, shouldn't he at least bankroll the excesses created under his largesse - I lnow the 65% rule etc but there will be ways and means if you want it enough - until they expire instead of pulling the stumps up at a time when we can least cope and dispaeearing over the hill with all the tangible assets we used to own?

In terms of his vision - well who knows? I'm sure he'd prefer to be feted as the man who made us the top ten club we could have been, but I think his desire to develop Scarborough internationally using football as his door-opener isn't a bad fall-back position. As you say at the end, what a waste.

Still, onwards....
 
1. Pay out £40,000 per week to the likes of Beattie, Naysmith and Speed - and £20,000 to Evans - to a point where your wages exceed £20M per year.

2. Buy lots of properrty at the peak of a property boom.

Which bit don't you see?

UTB

Conclusion - it doesn't always do very good deals, which was kind of my point.....
 
It's sad isn't it. On one hand it would be lovely to forgive the position we're in now, but he seems be becoming a real pantomime villain now with some of his decisions.... not least the transfer of the ground and Shirecliffe.

Should he bankroll the excesses? Hmmm, it's a tricky one. On a purely business level, I suppose he can say that when he eventually sells, his sins will be accounted for in the sale price.

He will have a legacy of good and bad. I alluded to it in the post above, but on a very basic level, he gave us relatively affordable football when others were being bent over. Can praise him for that at least.
 
Conclusion - it doesn't always do very good deals, which was kind of my point.....


Ah, OK. But did anyone actually think that was the case? McCabe's poor decision making is surely one thng that people are unanimous about?

UTB
 
Because while we've done mostly good outgoing deals (one or two notable exceptions no one can disagree), we've done an equal number of very bad deals; especially when it comes to wages. Add to that failure on the pitch, poor managerial appointments, poor executive appointments and a determination to keep it all affordable for us lot.

McCabe started so well, but he clung too hard to his vision and his decision making presumably suffered as a result. Had we scored another goal against Wigan, I would wager we'd be in a position more akin to Stoke now and not have the tell tale marks of self abuse up and down our arms. Just me?


Good post but I'm suprised you got a "like" from Tuns. "Affordable" doesn't mean free.

:)

UTB
 
Anyone know why Neill Collins didn't play last night?
 



my main memory from last night was the fookin mess of the tickets and the turnstiles breaking sodding 15 minutes to get into the ground
 

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