email from club - NO MORE TICKETS ON SALE IN KOP - standing & wrong seat usage

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

It could be a bit scary exiting the Kop on to John Street in the 1950`s/early 1960`s. Often quite a crush and you could lift your feet up and be carried out suspended off the ground.

 

[Wapping Blade]

Worst for me was getting held up in that gennel leaving Millmoor with a constant stream of people pushing from behind. Absolutely stupid “crowd control”.

 

[Bladeloyal]

Worst for me was getting held up in that gennel leaving Millmoor with a constant stream of people pushing from behind. Absolutely stupid “crowd control”.

And on their kop when the wall went down .

 

[FB98]

Seriously? Your solution to the problem being caused by people NOT sitting in their allocated seats, is to stop the people who DO sit in their allocated seats, many of who have had those seats for years or even decades, and count the people around them as friends, from renewing their season tickets?

Counter-plan: BUY A TICKET FOR THE MATCH AND SIT (or stand if it's appropriate) IN/AT THE SEAT ON YOUR TICKET.

It's not fucking rocket science is it?

If you think the current atmosphere at the Lane is acceptable I suppose that is the solution. It ignores the fact alot of people will not do that if they can't get a ticket near their mates (whether they should or shouldnt) but if you don't care about atmosphere which it seems the vast majority don't it could be that simple

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

If you think the current atmosphere at the Lane is acceptable I suppose that is the solution. It ignores the fact alot of people will not do that if they can't get a ticket near their mates (whether they should or shouldnt) but if you don't care about atmosphere which it seems the vast majority don't it could be that simple

But you can , or could afore the restrictions - (brought about in part by ….?.) but yous don’t want to sit / stand in “shit sections

 

[ForgeBlade]

If you think the current atmosphere at the Lane is acceptable I suppose that is the solution. It ignores the fact alot of people will not do that if they can't get a ticket near their mates (whether they should or shouldnt) but if you don't care about atmosphere which it seems the vast majority don't it could be that simple

I just think it's a bit hypocritical to try and forcibly move people who have built up friendships over many years, and stop them sitting together, so a bunch of people can decide seemingly at random where they want to stand and be with THEIR mates.

I agree the atmosphere has been poor at times recently, but during the first prem season, the problems near me were nowhere near as bad as they have been recently, and the atmosphere was electric.

Example - there is a family group that sit/stand near to me. The eldest is probably in his 80's at best guess. He can't stand up for great lengths of time, but they've had these seats for at least 20 years. By your argument, he should move, so a young lad who wants to stand can have his seat. Therefore, if the group wantst to stay together, they would ALL have to move (and several of them do contribute, greatly, to the atmosphere).

Why is this any more fair or reasonable than a group of 20 year olds all wanting to stand together. It seems like you almost want to punish the people who aren't breaking any rules, in order to reward the people (some of) who have contributed to the current situation by ignoring what it says on their ticket, with a "fuck it, we'll do what we want" attitude.

 

[FB98]

But you can , or could afore the restrictions - (brought about in part by ….?.) but yous don’t want to sit / stand in “shit sections

I just think it's a bit hypocritical to try and forcibly move people who have built up friendships over many years, and stop them sitting together, so a bunch of people can decide seemingly at random where they want to stand and be with THEIR mates.

I agree the atmosphere has been poor at times recently, but during the first prem season, the problems near me were nowhere near as bad as they have been recently, and the atmosphere was electric.

Example - there is a family group that sit/stand near to me. The eldest is probably in his 80's at best guess. He can't stand up for great lengths of time, but they've had these seats for at least 20 years. By your argument, he should move, so a young lad who wants to stand can have his seat. Therefore, if the group wantst to stay together, they would ALL have to move (and several of them do contribute, greatly, to the atmosphere).

Why is this any more fair or reasonable than a group of 20 year olds all wanting to stand together. It seems like you almost want to punish the people who aren't breaking any rules, in order to reward the people (some of) who have contributed to the current situation by ignoring what it says on their ticket, with a "fuck it, we'll do what we want" attitude.

No other well supported clubs I can think of have 80 year olds 8 rows from the back of their most atmospheric stand. Leeds have 2 full stands on their feet making noise. Wolves the full South Bank. We urgently need a significant overhaul & all of these clubs must have had that at some stage because they didn't always stand up

 

[Nightsweats]

No other well supported clubs I can think of have 80 year olds 8 rows from the back of their most atmospheric stand. Leeds have 2 full stands on their feet making noise. Wolves the full South Bank. We urgently need a significant overhaul & all of these clubs must have had that at some stage because they didn't always stand up

We can't press gang people into moving although maybe designating the back 10 rows say of the kop for under a certain age might be one option if stuctural changes aren't likely. We have family stands, why not singles areas ? God only knows we pander to enough, why not give those who want to make a noise an area?

 

[ancientblade]

And on their kop when the wall went down .

we were on the tivoli that day and still in when the wall went down went with a right thud was same getting in 2 turnstyles open and police on horses acting like idiots shoving horses in to everybody including kids 15k blades there that day all railway end all side terrace and half of tivoli

 

[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

No other well supported clubs I can think of have 80 year olds 8 rows from the back of their most atmospheric stand. Leeds have 2 full stands on their feet making noise. Wolves the full South Bank. We urgently need a significant overhaul & all of these clubs must have had that at some stage because they didn't always stand up

How can you possibly know this? You are just spouting bullshit to fit your narrative. The self entitlement being shown in this thread is unbelievable and I can honestly say that my only connection with some contributors is that we all support United.

 

[FB98]

How can you possibly know this? You are just spouting bullshit to fit your narrative. The self entitlement being shown in this thread is unbelievable and I can honestly say that my only connection with some contributors is that we all support United.

Well if they do they all stand up & make alot of noise. Where as ours ask people infront to sit down. I wouldnsay the lack of desire to do something significant to improve things is unbelievable

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

No other well supported clubs I can think of have 80 year olds 8 rows from the back of their most atmospheric stand. Leeds have 2 full stands on their feet making noise. Wolves the full South Bank. We urgently need a significant overhaul & all of these clubs must have had that at some stage because they didn't always stand up

Aye
Including folk that must be located in the ‘wings’ - areas you describe as “shit”
Not sure why you’ve included me - beyond to demonstrate your myopic selfishness given you again ‘overlook’ the content / suggestion / ‘solution’ - the very area you & yours (who by your own ‘admission’ wouldn’t fill the John St corner) have caused to be closed

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

None of this going to happen, as per foxys update on the meeting.
The sensible way forward is get everybody sitting (or standing) in their own ticketed place, then start looking at areas for safe standing.

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

Well at least we’re narrowing it down a bit.

In order to be allowed to remain in their current seats, we’ve established that supporters will need to take a noise test, prove their age, and be more important to the club than most others in the ground.

What other arbitrary criteria should we take into account?

Can we also add a smelly bastard threshold?

 

[FB98]

Aye
Including folk that must be located in the ‘wings’ - areas you describe as “shit”
Not sure why you’ve included me - beyond to demonstrate your myopic selfishness given you again ‘overlook’ the content / suggestion / ‘solution’ - the very area you & yours (who by your own ‘admission’ wouldn’t fill the John St corner) have caused to be closed

I haven't caused anything to be closed I have no idea why you keep talking like it's me. We do stand in the wing & moved there while it was empty as there was nowhere else to stand without annoying people. The wing I'm on is now full every week but it wasn't when we moved there.

 

[Bladeloyal]

I haven't caused anything to be closed I have no idea why you keep talking like it's me. We do stand in the wing & moved there while it was empty as there was nowhere else to stand without annoying people. The wing I'm on is now full every week but it wasn't when we moved there.

What about going to the seat number on your ticket it isn't f ing rocket science

 

[Maidenhead]

No other well supported clubs I can think of have 80 year olds 8 rows from the back of their most atmospheric stand. Leeds have 2 full stands on their feet making noise. Wolves the full South Bank. We urgently need a significant overhaul & all of these clubs must have had that at some stage because they didn't always stand up

You do know that age discrimination is illegal?

Are you suggesting that the club should break the law to satisfy your personal cravings?

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I'm in my 60s. Season Ticket in the Bramall Lane Corner. First stood on the Shoreham in the 60s. In a sense, I haven't got a dog in this fight. But, I will express some solidarity with FB98. When I first started going to games, it was easy for all like mindeds to congregate together. And, I agree with him that other clubs seem to have massed ranks of singing/standing fans which we don't have. I won't debate the details. But, I do agree with his assessment & objective.

 

[Bladeloyal]

I'm in my 60s. Season Ticket in the Bramall Lane Corner. First stood on the Shoreham in the 60s. In a sense, I haven't got a dog in this fight. But, I will express some solidarity with FB98. When I first started going to games, it was easy for all like mindeds to congregate together. And, I agree with him that other clubs seem to have massed ranks of singing/standing fans which we don't have. I won't debate the details. But, I do agree with his assessment & objective.

It's not 1971 it's not 1981 ,you can't sit and stand where you want .do we really want a ultras section (fakefootball)

 

[GodricBlade]

Well if they do they all stand up & make alot of noise. Where as ours ask people infront to sit down. I wouldnsay the lack of desire to do something significant to improve things is unbelievable

How do you know they ALL stand up AND make noise? Maybe some are capable of (I hope you’re ready for this) doing one without doing the other!
I know - mind blowing isn’t it.
At the end of the day though, whatever the make-up of other club’s fan seating arrangements are, the problem for us is that we have fans who persistently stand in spaces other than where their allocated seat is.
And if they expect others supporters, the club & the safety bods to shift in order to accommodate them & their neediness, I think they’ll have a long wait.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

It's not 1971 it's not 1981 ,you can't sit and stand where you want .do we really want a ultras section (fakefootball)

I'm happy to admit - if plod & the club want me to "do a thing", I'm very attracted to doing the exact fucking opposite.

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

No other well supported clubs I can think of have 80 year olds 8 rows from the back of their most atmospheric stand. Leeds have 2 full stands on their feet making noise. Wolves the full South Bank. We urgently need a significant overhaul & all of these clubs must have had that at some stage because they didn't always stand up

What's age got to do with it? Surely it's up to the individual where in the home allocation they want to purchase their ticket/season ticket?

 

[Bladeloyal]

I'm happy to admit - if plod & the club want me to "do a thing", I'm very attracted to doing the exact fucking opposite.

Reply when your in west bar

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Reply when your in west bar

The police don't enforce anything at football any more. It's free rein. The last person to get nicked at The Lane was you.....

 

[Nesh Blade]

I'm in my 60s. Season Ticket in the Bramall Lane Corner. First stood on the Shoreham in the 60s. In a sense, I haven't got a dog in this fight. But, I will express some solidarity with FB98. When I first started going to games, it was easy for all like mindeds to congregate together. And, I agree with him that other clubs seem to have massed ranks of singing/standing fans which we don't have. I won't debate the details. But, I do agree with his assessment & objective.

Don’t you think there’s a benefit of non likeminded people being together though? Where I sit in the corner we chat regularly to the bloke sat in front and the two next to us. The characters you get sat around you are also part of the ‘atmosphere’ of a match day, whether you like them or think they’re absolutely mad

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Don’t you think there’s a benefit of non likeminded people being together though? Where I sit in the corner we chat regularly to the bloke sat in front and the two next to us. The characters you get sat around you are also part of the ‘atmosphere’ of a match day, whether you like them or think they’re absolutely mad

Absolutely. But we don't get that mixing under the current circumstances do we. Because we're sat with the same people week in week out.

 

[Bladeloyal]

The police don't enforce anything at football any more. It's free rein. The last person to get nicked at The Lane was you.....

Subsequently found not guilty a bit like Oli ,though he didn't feature on channel 4

 

[bladesmanluke]

It's not 1971 it's not 1981 ,you can't sit and stand where you want .do we really want a ultras section (fakefootball)

5 years ago I'd have said no we don't want an ultras section, but the atmosphere is getting worse every season and recent developments may have just killed it off for good. Unfortunately something now needs to happen or it'll be silence for 85 minutes every other weekend.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Subsequently found not guilty a bit like Oli ,though he didn't feature on channel 4

Is that technically true? CPS dropped it before it got to Court. You're more Rhian than Oli. I'll stand to be corrected. (And don't put the fucking squeeze on me like you did the other witnesses).

 

[Bladeloyal]

Is that technically true? CPS dropped it before it got to Court. You're more Rhian than Oli. I'll stand to be corrected. (And don't put the fucking squeeze on me like you did the other witnesses).

Not technically correct ,had to back down as for the threat of legal action against syp and channel4 . And none release of CCTV .