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John Cutsbushes said:
Bizarre Olly Mac doing the press and saying he would be ok for today!
Hecky is working miracles to keep us up there, he is a liar, and cant be trusted when speaking about injuries, but results wise, brilliant
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I guess it's all about marginal gains.

Oli plays a key role especially on set pieces now at both ends of the pitch.

Having Cardiff potentially waste their time preparing for a couple of days for this only to find out late on he isn't even in the team can't have helped them.
 

I keep hearing and reading that it’s our sub-standard training pitch that could be causing all the hamstring problems, where the surface is being relaid, or something similar. If that’s been identified by SUFC then why the fuck are we continuing to use it ?

Get the players using a better surface, not sure where, fucking Graves Park if it does the job !
 
I thought McBurnie has a hernia op booked in for tomorrow. So going on about his ankle may be irrelevant, unless that is a bad one? That was the talk from a couple of weeks ago.
 
John Cutsbushes said:
Bizarre Olly Mac doing the press and saying he would be ok for today!
Hecky is working miracles to keep us up there, he is a liar, and cant be trusted when speaking about injuries, but results wise, brilliant
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He should tell the manager of our next opponent who is going to start? Sounds like a stupid idea.

He never says anyone is going to play, if you listen carefully. Should, could, might.
 
I dont mind that hecky is cagey about where players are regards being fit enough to play in tge next game because to be honest im from a generation where you didnt know until you saw the team sheet and hecky basically takes you back to that era

There are far too many of you that disect and scrutinise his every word ( or whoever the current manager may be ) it genuinely doesnt matter what they say in these pressers it never has ,they dont like doing them and if pressed on team or squad availability will use it as a way of gaining some kind of pyschological advantage over the opposition
 
RND seems done for the season but I think Brewster will be the only player that won't be ready after the break.
Ankle ligaments AND an hernia doesn't sound great for McBurnie but I think he'll make it.
 
Assuming we're not going to hear anymore from the club re: injuries until after the World Cup now, here's the final round up going into the break.

Bad News:
Our customary injury a game went to Jack Robinson. Another hamstring injury.
PH's explanation is that "it's just the way it's going" and won't publicly accept that they need to conduct a review of their conditioning methods. Hopefully internally things are different.
He also said that Robinson has been over-played whilst not fully fit. Bizarre then, that he didn't rotate him with Clark at all over these last few weeks? Even more so given Robinson's form.

None of the midweek "doubts" from the Rotherham game made the squad. Again, no surprise there... they never do.
Worryingly, the diagnosis for those lads didn't sound too promising either...

  • McBurnie has done his ankle ligaments.
  • Ahmedhodzic has an illness that will "rule him out for a while."
  • Fleck has swelling around the area that he broke his leg.
When asked whether they'll all be back on 10th December, Heckingbottom gave a slightly churlish, deflective response...

... I know everyone has their own views on Hecky's fibs and I think I'm somewhere in the middle.
I'm certainly not asking for him to name his XI for the weekend, but I do think it's a bit unreasonable to share nothing with the fans.
For instance, telling us Tommy Doyle and Ciaran Clark are 50/50 for about 3+ weeks running is just a blatant lie.
I wouldn't want him to "put a date" on it as he says, but a vague "he'll be out for a couple / few weeks" type answer would be a lot better to manage fan expectations.

I also hope somebody from the club reveals a bit more about Anel's long-term illness as that sounds potentially pretty ominous.
My thoughts immediately went towards David Brooks and (going back way further) Simon Francis' glandular fever.

Good news:
We've made it to the World Cup break and guaranteed to be in the top two.
We have 4 weeks off.
To the best of my knowledge, only Adam Davies (Wales - WC), Iliman Ndiaye (Senegal - WC) and - ridiculously - John Egan (Ireland - friendlies) will be playing any competitive games.
It's come at a great time for us. We have 13 out injured and I'm hopeful that at least half will be back for 10th December.


O McBurnie - 10th December 2022 - ankle ligaments / hernia op

J Fleck - 10th December 2022 - knock to leg

T Doyle - 10th December 2022 - calf injury

J Bogle - 10th December 2022 (2 months) - minor knee operation

M Lowe - 10th December 2022 (3 months) - hamstring

S Berge - 10th December 2022 (3 months) - ankle ligaments

I Coulibaly - 10th December 2022 (4 months) - knee ligaments

A Ahmedhodzic - January 2023 (6 weeks) - illness

J Robinson - January 2023 - (2 months) - hamstring

J O'Connell - January 2023 (2.5 years) - knee

D Jebbison - February 2023 (4 months) - ankle ligaments

R Brewster - March 2023 (4 months) - hamstring surgery

R Norrington-Davies - March 2023 (5 months) - hamstring surgery
 
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CaptainMorgans said:
Assuming we're not going to hear anymore from the club re: injuries until after the World Cup now, here's the final round up going into the break.

Bad News:
Our customary injury a game went to Jack Robinson. Another hamstring injury.
PH's explanation is that "it's just the way it's going" and won't publicly accept that they need to conduct a review of their conditioning methods. Hopefully internally things are different.
He also said that Robinson has been over-played whilst not fully fit. Bizarre then, that he didn't rotate him with Clark at all over these last few weeks? Even more so given Robinson's form.

None of the midweek "doubts" from the Rotherham game made the squad. Again, no surprise there... they never do.
Worryingly, the diagnosis for those lads didn't sound too promising either...

  • McBurnie has done his ankle ligaments.
  • Ahmedhodzic has an illness that will "rule him out for a while."
  • Fleck has swelling around the area that he broke his leg.
When asked whether they'll all be back on 10th December, Heckingbottom gave a slightly churlish, deflective response...

... I know everyone has their own views on Hecky's fibs and I think I'm somewhere in the middle.
I'm certainly not asking for him to name his XI for the weekend, but I do think it's a bit unreasonable to share nothing with the fans.
For instance, telling us Tommy Doyle and Ciaran Clark are 50/50 for about 3+ weeks running is just a blatant lie.
I wouldn't want him to "put a date" on it as he says, but a vague "he'll be out for a couple / few weeks" type answer would be a lot better to manage fan expectations.

I also hope somebody from the club reveals a bit more about Anel's long-term illness as that sounds potentially pretty ominous.
My thoughts immediately went towards David Brooks and (going back way further) Simon Francis' glandular fever.

Good news:
We've made it to the World Cup break and guaranteed to be in the top two.
We have 4 weeks off.
To the best of my knowledge, only Adam Davies (Wales - WC), Iliman Ndiaye (Senegal - WC) and - ridiculously - John Egan (Ireland - friendlies) will be playing any competitive games.
It's come at a great time for us. We have 13 out injured and I'm hopeful that at least half will be back for 10th December.


O McBurnie - 10th December 2022 - ankle ligaments / hernia op

J Fleck - 10th December 2022 - knock to leg

T Doyle - 10th December 2022 - calf injury

J Bogle - 10th December 2022 (2 months) - minor knee operation

M Lowe - 10th December 2022 (3 months) - hamstring

S Berge - 10th December 2022 (3 months) - ankle ligaments

I Coulibaly - 10th December 2022 (4 months) - knee ligaments

A Ahmedhodzic - January 2023 (6 weeks) - illness

J Robinson - January 2023 - (2 months) - hamstring

J O'Connell - January 2023 (2.5 years) - knee

D Jebbison - February 2023 (4 months) - ankle ligaments

R Brewster - March 2023 (4 months) - hamstring surgery

R Norrington-Davies - March 2023 (5 months) - hamstring surgery
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Only person who has used the term.' Long term illness ' is you
 
Roygbiv said:
Said he got Injured as he's played too many games which is weird seeing as Clark was clearly fit enough to play yesterday
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This is what I find frustrating.

On the one hand, he bemoans a lack of options due to injuries but when he has / had options he doesn't rotate them to keep them fresh. He waits until injuries to give someone a go.
 
Bladesman said:
Nothing makes sense.
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CaptainMorgans said:
This is what I find frustrating.

On the one hand, he bemoans a lack of options due to injuries but when he has / had options he doesn't rotate them to keep them fresh. He waits until injuries to give someone a go.
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Try not to put too much stall in the managers words unless he specifically details every players injury one by one in an update

He clearly doesnt like talking about them and gets caught between trying to cover up and trying to inform
 
CaptainMorgans said:
... I know everyone has their own views on Hecky's fibs and I think I'm somewhere in the middle.
I'm certainly not asking for him to name his XI for the weekend, but I do think it's a bit unreasonable to share nothing with the fans.
For instance, telling us Tommy Doyle and Ciaran Clark are 50/50 for about 3+ weeks running is just a blatant lie.
I wouldn't want him to "put a date" on it as he says, but a vague "he'll be out for a couple / few weeks" type answer would be a lot better to manage fan expectations.
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Tommy Doyle was 50/50 for 3 games. Before those 3 games he said he'll play it by ear and wouldn't risk him if not 100%.

I suspect Clark couldn't manage 90 minutes, so he went with Robinson. The fact someone is fit enough to be on the bench doesn't mean they can play 90 minutes or that they are match fit.

The fact someone has a minor injury doesn't mean it necessarily heals quickly.

He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. If he gives timescales and then they are wrong, he gets criticism. If he doesn;t give timescales, he gets criticism.

Footballers aren't machines. They don't recover at the same speed and an initial injury might not be the whole injury.
 
According to PH, Ahmedhodzic, McBurnie and Fleck were doubts for the Cardiff game, subject to late fitness tests. This turns out to be a sleight of hand fib to avoid giving away his team selection.
Excusable. Not much else he can do.

We have more than one qualified Doctor at the club. In the medical wold, doctors take a sacrosanct oath, to ‘Do no harm’. Does this oath include the possible short term, or permanent injury that could be caused to a player who is required to play on with an known injury? To ‘run off’ a possible injury during a match? To return to the first team, when his acquired injury has not fully healed, or play with pain killing injections, regardless of the consequences?

Is PH, and other club coaches/football managers invoking louche practices from their previous time as professional footballers, when these practices were more accepted, encouraged, or even commonplace?

The pace of the game, dietary and health guidance for players today has moved on. Greater strength, athleticism and endurance is now expected of them. No one will ever doubt the love and personal commitment of players like Sharp and Basham. Could those personal ethics and character traits be abused? Are our doctors no longer involved in risk assessments for players? Is their role now subservient to the ‘football manager’ or is their remit downgraded to advisor or consultant?

This issue is not confined to Sheffield United. It is high time that someone at the club digs their heels in and says enough is enough. Before someone loses a truly promising career. No profession is so well rewarded financially, with good reason. The PFA should and must make a stand now. The health and well being of players is at stake. A detailed and thorough inquiry is now required to protect players from short and long term, permanent pain and career ending damage.

I am sorry to say it, but this situation is more important than football, and even more important than promotion.
 

robbiez666 said:
Tommy Doyle was 50/50 for 3 games. Before those 3 games he said he'll play it by ear and wouldn't risk him if not 100%.

I suspect Clark couldn't manage 90 minutes, so he went with Robinson. The fact someone is fit enough to be on the bench doesn't mean they can play 90 minutes or that they are match fit.

The fact someone has a minor injury doesn't mean it necessarily heals quickly.

He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. If he gives timescales and then they are wrong, he gets criticism. If he doesn;t give timescales, he gets criticism.

Footballers aren't machines. They don't recover at the same speed and an initial injury might not be the whole injury.
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As I said, people will have different views on PH's communication.
I can't remember us ever having this amount of injuries and I can't remember us ever being kept in the dark so much about them.
I personally feel his team are responsible for a lot of it and that's why they're so prickly with the media when questioned.

Clark was ready to play. We all saw that as he came in and played fine. I can't fathom not rotating Robinson out if he wasn't 100%.
He played Osborn 90mins every week when he didn't have to.
Sander Berge also looked bollocked but kept getting flogged until eventually injured. He had Khadra and McAtee in the wings.

Appreciate your view is different and you want to defend him.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
As I said, people will have different views on PH's communication.
I can't remember us ever having this amount of injuries and I can't remember us ever being kept in the dark so much about them.
I personally feel his team are responsible for a lot of it and that's why they're so prickly with the media when questioned.

Clark was ready to play. We all saw that as he came in and played fine. I can't fathom not rotating Robinson out if he wasn't 100%.
He played Osborn 90mins every week when he didn't have to.
Sander Berge also looked bollocked but kept getting flogged until eventually injured. He had Khadra and McAtee in the wings.

Appreciate your view is different and you want to defend him.
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The injuries are frustrating. He put timescales on everything at the start of the season but then got grief when players were out longer. He's perhaps got a bit more cagey due to the constant questioning after every game. Bare in mind, he'll be asked the same questions by one journo after another. Ones suggesting his personal negligence as well. Going to get old sooner rather than later.

Are you saying Clark was ready to play 90 minutes? Which he hasn't played since, what, September? Given Bash has had to come off with an ongoing injury, do you think it's a good idea to start to CBs who probably won't make 90 minutes?

Who are you bringing on for Osborn?

Don't get me wrong, I can understand the frustration, but opposition managers must be equally frustrated.
 
I remember a few weeks ago Doyle had a minor calf strain. Hecky specifically said Doyle was really close and if he was desperate he would play him
but then there would be a chance the injury could flair up, so he may as well be cautious. We were desperate for midfielders against Cardiff yet a well rested Doyle
doesn't play or even make the subs bench.

May as well close down this thread and what is the point in Radio Sheffield asking for injury updates.

It's seems that almost everything Hecky says ends up being false.
Either our medical men can't estimate recovery times, Hecky is deliberately telling porkies or we are constantly unlucky.

We never has this with Wilder, he was able to tell it how it is, however for some reason Hecky wants to keep it all hush hush, so he's vague and tells little lies.
Now he says Ahmedhodzoc is ill and could be out a while, no players are ever out for a long period through illness, unless the illness is really serious.
Our fans joke about the sniper at the training ground but that's what it feels like with so many players picking up random muscle injuries.
Anyone would think they don't do warm ups and don't prepare.

It doesn't help that Hecky always seems defensive when asked about injuries as though he's got something to hide.
Why not just tell it it as it is?
 
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Problem is aswell is that when a player has been out months, he's then expected to play 3 games a week 🙈 Osborn, Fleck and Robinson have all done this and 2 have suffered.
 
Let’s see then, prediction time. Who of the injured will be fit to play when we next play on 10 December? My guesses:

Will be fit to play: Fleck, Doyle, Arblaster, Lowe

Will still be injured: Berge, Bogle, Coulibaly, Brewster, McBurnie, RND, Ahmehodzic, O’Connell, Jebbison, Robinson

So that’ll be 10 out.

My freestyle prediction is that McBurnie will still be injured but Heckingbottom will claim he’s fit in the press conference before the game.

We should turn this into a contest. Anyone else want to take a guess?
 
CaptainMorgans said:
This is what I find frustrating.

On the one hand, he bemoans a lack of options due to injuries but when he has / had options he doesn't rotate them to keep them fresh. He waits until injuries to give someone a go.
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This is what annoys me as well. Championship level has too many games already, especially for players who are involved in some sort of international setup and if we were to go on some sort of cup run. This is further exacerbated by the World Cup compressing things even further. It's a squad game and has been for years, players need to be managed, and Hecky doesn't do that and is confused when we get a ton of injuries of the type that are typical of overplaying someone.

Still, it satisfies the "MuST PLaY BeST eLeVeN eVeRY GaMe" cretins on here, so that's something at least
 
Revolution said:
Let’s see then, prediction time. Who of the injured will be fit to play when we next play on 10 December? My guesses:

Will be fit to play: Fleck, Doyle, Arblaster, Lowe

Will still be injured: Berge, Bogle, Coulibaly, Brewster, McBurnie, RND, Ahmehodzic, O’Connell, Jebbison, Robinson

So that’ll be 10 out.

My freestyle prediction is that McBurnie will still be injured but Heckingbottom will claim he’s fit in the press conference before the game.

We should turn this into a contest. Anyone else want to take a guess?
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It may as well be a gameshow like Family Fortunes. Except its called Team Fortunes.

We asked 100 Blades fans this week to name a player who will be fit for the next match?

You said Oliver McBurnie.....

 
Revolution said:
Let’s see then, prediction time. Who of the injured will be fit to play when we next play on 10 December? My guesses:

Will be fit to play: Fleck, Doyle, Arblaster, Lowe

Will still be injured: Berge, Bogle, Coulibaly, Brewster, McBurnie, RND, Ahmehodzic, O’Connell, Jebbison, Robinson

So that’ll be 10 out.

My freestyle prediction is that McBurnie will still be injured but Heckingbottom will claim he’s fit in the press conference before the game.

We should turn this into a contest. Anyone else want to take a guess?
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Brewster seemed to be walking around comfortably in the videos I've seen of him since he got injured - obviously difficult to tell but doesn't seem like he would be out another month.

As for the rest: fuck knows. I thought the WC break would be a great time to get all of our injured players back, but now I'm thinking they're all going to pick up a broken arm whilst making a cup of tea.
 
Proper Blade said:
Brewster seemed to be walking around comfortably in the videos I've seen of him since he got injured - obviously difficult to tell but doesn't seem like he would be out another month.

As for the rest: fuck knows. I thought the WC break would be a great time to get all of our injured players back, but now I'm thinking they're all going to pick up a broken arm whilst making a cup of tea.
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McCall advised that Brewster will likely need surgery.
PH advised he won't be ready after the World Cup.
 
Revolution said:
Let’s see then, prediction time. Who of the injured will be fit to play when we next play on 10 December? My guesses:

Will be fit to play: Fleck, Doyle, Arblaster, Lowe

Will still be injured: Berge, Bogle, Coulibaly, Brewster, McBurnie, RND, Ahmehodzic, O’Connell, Jebbison, Robinson

So that’ll be 10 out.

My freestyle prediction is that McBurnie will still be injured but Heckingbottom will claim he’s fit in the press conference before the game.

We should turn this into a contest. Anyone else want to take a guess?
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I think we will never find out as a giant orange rolls around the world destroying humanity in one fell swoop with reda khadra being the sole survivor
 

CaptainMorgans said:
McCall advised that Brewster will likely need surgery.
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When did Brewster get injured? If I'm going to compare sports, if someone in the NFL is worked out to need some sort of surgery and that will allow them to get back on the field in the same season, then that happens within 48 hours, tops. If he does need surgery then there's incompetence somewhere
 
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