Champions league.

[JJBlade]

Based on what?

The only advantage they have is attendances, which count for very little.

MONEY!!!
They will attract truly massive sponsorship deals that half the Premier League can only dream of.

The TV money is one thing, but the reason why Man Utd can spend £90 million on one player whilst other clubs can only spend that on the whole team is down to their commercial activities and attraction.

 

[Kanye]

MONEY!!!
They will attract truly massive sponsorship deals that half the Premier League can only dream of.

The TV money is one thing, but the reason why Man Utd can spend £90 million on one player whilst other clubs can only spend that on the whole team is down to their commercial activities and attraction.

Why don't they attract good sponsors now if they're so commercially attractive?

Why don't they have reasonable social media followings if their reach is so broad?

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Got to ask myself,is John Lundstrum the luckiest fecker to ever play Champions League football.

Remember Lee Baxter?

He played in the Champions League.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

MONEY!!!
They will attract truly massive sponsorship deals that half the Premier League can only dream of.

The TV money is one thing, but the reason why Man Utd can spend £90 million on one player whilst other clubs can only spend that on the whole team is down to their commercial activities and attraction.

I see little to suggest they would usurp Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea on that score, add Spurs to that as well. Newcastle will become part of that set, Villa have billionaire owner and struggle.

Also sponsorship is a fickle thing, a few incidents of the sectarian bollocks and they'd run.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Watching Ranger's getting ripped to pieces by Ajax. Got to ask myself,is John Lundstrum the luckiest fecker to ever play Champions League football.
I don't think he is good enough to get in our current squad, if the Blades relocated to Scotland I think we could be in the Champions league.

He probably isn’t as he was one of there main players in getting 2nd place last season

Also one of there main men in getting to a Europa league final last season

He was Was also one of there main players when they beat PSV & Union St gillionaise to qualify

So I would say he isn’t unlucky if anything the bloke has earned it


Very very weird obsession some of our fans have with him

 

[metalblade]

Everywhere I've ever been on holiday there has been a Celtic bar

And that is because the Irish (who haven't got a club side worth a wank) identify with them due to the religious shit they peddle. Do they still only sign Catholic players?

 

[JJBlade]

Why don't they attract good sponsors now if they're so commercially attractive?

Why don't they have reasonable social media followings if their reach is so broad?

Poor League without any commercial interest. Why would a major sponsor pay a team that plays in the Scottish League when the exposure for sponsoring an English Premier League club is much greater?
At the end of the day, it's all about people, how many people will see your product if you sponsor a club without the massive TV exposure that English Premier League clubs get. Celtic won't get the sponsorship deals playing in Scotland.

In terms of commercial attractiveness, they don't do so bad in spite of playing in a crap league.
Celtic's turnover was £61 million last year, and £71 million the season before, not so shabby without the TV riches and sponsorship deals that Premier League teams get.

Probably five times more than the average Championship club without parachute payments and without the TV deal that even Championship clubs get

 

[HarryHaslam]

And that is because the Irish (who haven't got a club side worth a wank) identify with them due to the religious shit they peddle. Do they still only sign Catholic players?

You have dived in their without knowing much at all. Think you will find Celtic have never had a sign Catholics only policy, many Celtic greats have been Protestant, a few of the Lisbon Lions, Dalglish, even Jock Stein.

Rangers would not sign Catholics though, maybe this is where you have got mixed up. They thankfully broke this signing policy with Mo Johnston which caused uproar at the time.

 

[metalblade]

You have dived in their without knowing much at all. Think you will find Celtic have never had a sign Catholics only policy, many Celtic greats have been Protestant, a few of the Lisbon Lions, Dalglish, even Jock Stein.

Rangers would not sign Catholics though, maybe this is where you have got mixed up. They thankfully broke this signing policy with Mo Johnston which caused uproar at the time.

I stand corrected but this is why teams in Scotland Glasgow especially are toxic one lot of fans sing pro British crap while the other lot sing pro Irish crap or in effect are either pro Catholic or pro Protestant, it is all a load of bollocks exclusive to Ireland and Scotland the only places where people of different churches can't get along.

 

[Bert]

You have dived in their without knowing much at all. Think you will find Celtic have never had a sign Catholics only policy, many Celtic greats have been Protestant, a few of the Lisbon Lions, Dalglish, even Jock Stein.

Rangers would not sign Catholics though, maybe this is where you have got mixed up. They thankfully broke this signing policy with Mo Johnston which caused uproar at the time.

5 of the Lisbon Lions were protestant.

 

[JJBlade]

I see little to suggest they would usurp Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea on that score, add Spurs to that as well. Newcastle will become part of that set, Villa have billionaire owner and struggle.

Also sponsorship is a fickle thing, a few incidents of the sectarian bollocks and they'd run.

Who said they'd usurp them?
By the way didn't Man City and Chelsea usurp everybody, neither of them were particular huge clubs before they got their billionaire owners. And Newcastle according to your message will now become one of the usurpers as well.

If every club in the Premier League gets a Sheik Mansour or a Bill Gates and spends a billion pounds on each player, they won't all be able to win trophies. The majority will be trophyless no matter how much they spend. But being a part of it will be the important thing for some clubs

 

[LudlamBlade]

Half of their fans wouldn't follow them if they had to deal with getting beat once every 2/3 games.

They're only huge because there's no other bugger to support in the Highland Farmers League and they win all the time.

Look at the chuff that both sets of Glasgow fans get on when they lose up there...

Imagine if they were getting beat by the likes of Blackburn and Boro on a regular basis...there'd be mayhem!

 

[JJBlade]

I stand corrected but this is why teams in Scotland Glasgow especially are toxic one lot of fans sing pro British crap while the other lot sing pro Irish crap or in effect are either pro Catholic or pro Protestant, it is all a load of bollocks exclusive to Ireland and Scotland the only places where people of different churches can't get along.

They were founded as a club by Irish immigrants, for the poor and deprived immigrants of Scotland, to help give them an identity.

The traditions and heritage of a football club will never change, and why should they ? just because one bunch of morons object to their Irish heritage.

The funniest thing is, if the people of Scotland had not victimised and isolated the Irish immigrants Celtic would never have existed

There's plenty of Irish lived in England for centuries, but there's no Liverpool or Manchester Celtic.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Are they really that big? They get good attendances, but that only really demonstrates their popularity in Scotland - match day income represents a miniscule proportion of PL clubs income.


Do you see kids wearing Rangers/Celtic shirts? Not really, other than in Scotland.

Do they have large a large appeal on social media? Not really, 850k followers on Twitter: nothing compared to the top 6 PL clubs; Arsenal, Chelsea, Man Utd and Liverpool have over 20m. Even the blades have 500k.

Do they have any appeal in overseas markets; China, North America? I'd guess no, the value of the SPL TV rights certainly suggests not.

If you measure a clubs size by the old fashioned metrics, yes, they're undoubtedly big clubs, and had they been playing in England for the last 3 decades, I'm sure one or both would be comparable to the top 6 in England.

By modern metrics, the ones that count to investors, they're small fry, unfortunately for them. The idea they'd be able to catch up with the better teams in England is frankly ludicrous if you ask me.

“Do you see kids wearing Rangers/Celtic shirts? Not really, other than in Scotland”

You’ve never been abroad then?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Very big fish in a very small pond with no predators, suddenly don't look so big when put in a lake with predators.

Give them PL income. See what happens then.

 

[Sean Thornton]

And that is because the Irish (who haven't got a club side worth a wank) identify with them due to the religious shit they peddle. Do they still only sign Catholic players?

Celtic have always signed Protestant players although the great Jock Stein was Celtics first Proddy manager. 40 years before Paul Le Guen as Rangers first RC boss. Pre 1930’s Rangers signed Catholics. 1970’s John Spencer was the first high profile, pre Mo Johnston.

 

[Sean Thornton]

They were founded as a club by Irish immigrants, for the poor and deprived immigrants of Scotland, to help give them an identity.

The traditions and heritage of a football club will never change, and why should they ? just because one bunch of morons object to their Irish heritage.

The funniest thing is, if the people of Scotland had not victimised and isolated the Irish immigrants Celtic would never have existed

There's plenty of Irish lived in England for centuries, but there's no Liverpool or Manchester Celtic.

Hubs were formed for the same reason. Some twelve years earlier.

 

[Rufus Smalls]

They've been calling for points deductions and expulsions for years, it won't happen because they think it'd be unfair on the vast majority of fans.

True, and that’s the reason why the racist chants will just carry on. Until a club is actually thrown out of the competition, nothing will change because UEFA don’t have the balls to go up against the big clubs in Europe. Expect around a €20,000 fine for Juventus which they will just laugh at and pay.

 

[mancunianblade]

Astonishingly, an Italian team (Juventus) are being investigated for racist chants by their fans at PSG. When are UEFA finally going to make a stance and throw a team out of the competition as an example to other clubs ? Don’t hold your breath.

That’s why Man City boo the anthem

 

[mancunianblade]

I see little to suggest they would usurp Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea on that score, add Spurs to that as well. Newcastle will become part of that set, Villa have billionaire owner and struggle.

Also sponsorship is a fickle thing, a few incidents of the sectarian bollocks and they'd run.

Sponsorship was a decisive matter up there and that’s why there has been numerous years where companies would sponsor both clubs because it’s counter productive to alienate half the city.

Celtic have always signed Protestant players although the great Jock Stein was Celtics first Proddy manager. 40 years before Paul Le Guen as Rangers first RC boss. Pre 1930’s Rangers signed Catholics. 1970’s John Spencer was the first high profile, pre Mo Johnston.

Correct. Rangers prejudicial process was nothing more than guess work too. I know of two instances where Rangers just assumed the players were Catholic when they were actually Protestant.

Murdo Macleod
Danny Mcgrain

These two I know for a fact rangers were keen on but assumed they were catholics

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Couldn't give a flying fuck what Jug Eared Cunt Mk 2 is doing quite frankly. He'll be at St Mirren in 3 years time, supplementing his income by working for Deliveroo and giving out hand-jobs for tea money.

He better not muscle in on my patch otherwise there’ll be hellfire.

 

[biggiesablade]

True....however they come 3rd and 4th as the biggest clubs in the UK, only behind Man Utd and Liverpool.
So they would receive massive interest regards investment
and once they're in the PL receiving 110 plus million a season they would slowly but surely rise up that table.

Might take 5 to 10 years but with more money and investment than most of the other PL clubs
they'd both eventually be serious challengers for the top 6 spots every year.

I presumed op was referring to the standard of football in Scotland when Lundstram walks into champ league football up there. How the thread snowballed into this I don't know

 

[Gin&Juice]

Both fucking stupid clubs. The complete antithesis of what football should be.

Both are just drug dealers running along the same political lines of NI. There’s no good or bad, they’re both just bad. I’m sure Celtic fans will say they’re more welcoming etc. but both sets of fans act the same, both are bigoted, both take a football rivalry far too seriously.

They’re massive in Scotland (obviously) and Northern Ireland.

Most of their support abroad is more around affiliation and that “brotherhood” bollocks with other clubs. Celtic more so than Rangers.

They’re fuck all compared to the PL clubs world wide. Domestically they’re probably in the top 5 supported.

I’m sick of being asked to pick a side, or who do I prefer? Also wince when I see anything to do with either club associated with ours. We’re not a catholic club not Protestant, and I wouldn’t want us to be seen as one or the other, it’s bollocks. Football should be for all, not one or the other.

 

[Kanye]

“Do you see kids wearing Rangers/Celtic shirts? Not really, other than in Scotland”

You’ve never been abroad then?

Whenever I've seen Celtic or Rangers shirts worn abroad, it's by Scots or Irishmen on holiday. My point being that they don't have an appeal outside their own territory.

You can go just about anywhere on the planet and see someone wearing a Man Utd, Madrid or Barcelona kit, the same can be said for other big clubs, but not Rangers or Celtic.

 

[Kanye]

Poor League without any commercial interest. Why would a major sponsor pay a team that plays in the Scottish League when the exposure for sponsoring an English Premier League club is much greater?
At the end of the day, it's all about people, how many people will see your product if you sponsor a club without the massive TV exposure that English Premier League clubs get. Celtic won't get the sponsorship deals playing in Scotland.

In terms of commercial attractiveness, they don't do so bad in spite of playing in a crap league.
Celtic's turnover was £61 million last year, and £71 million the season before, not so shabby without the TV riches and sponsorship deals that Premier League teams get.

Probably five times more than the average Championship club without parachute payments and without the TV deal that even Championship clubs get

The fact that the SPL has so little commercial interest sort of demonstrates my point; nobody really cares about the old firm outside of Britain, which is reflected in their TV deal.

You're absolutely right that they would be able to attract better sponsors if they were in the premier League, but that has nothing to do with them; that applies to any club in the division.

Their £60m turnover is comparable to that of Leeds or Villa last time each club was in the championship. Both Leeds and Villa are well supported, reasonably large clubs, just like Celtic. This gives them a small advantage over teams like Bournemouth, but both they remain truly lightyears away from the league's top 6 both on and off the pitch.

And you still didn't really answer my question; if Celtic and Rangers are as big as people keep telling us, why isn't this reflected in one of the few metrics we can actually quantity; social media followers?

 

[Sheffsteel]

I presumed op was referring to the standard of football in Scotland when Lundstram walks into champ league football up there. How the thread snowballed into this I don't know

It was in response to some one saying Rangers and Celtic are both just Championship standard.
I agree, think the top of the Scottish league is similar to the top of the Championship.
The middle teams in the Scottish league are similar to the bottom of the Championship
and the lower teams in the Scottish top flight are on a par with league 1 clubs.

When ever there are discussion about Celtic/ Rangers joining the English league then it's quite a common
for people to comment why would they want to join when both are only Championship standard.

My point was common sense says that if a club with a massive fanbase is in the 2nd tier then surely you would expect them to rise sooner or later.
History shows that the bigger clubs tend to spend more time in the top flight than the lower league.

 

[Nearly Jimmy Hagan]

“Do you see kids wearing Rangers/Celtic shirts? Not really, other than in Scotland”

You’ve never been abroad then?

About 13 years ago, I was working in Oz & had a free day so decided to go & watch Brisbane Roar v Celtic, one of the Celtic pre season tour fixtures that year. I was expecting a fairly small crowd before making my way to the game but the attendance was given as over 24,000, of which I estimated 80% were wearing Celtic shirts.

 

[Revolution]

They were founded as a club by Irish immigrants, for the poor and deprived immigrants of Scotland, to help give them an identity.

The traditions and heritage of a football club will never change, and why should they ? just because one bunch of morons object to their Irish heritage.

The funniest thing is, if the people of Scotland had not victimised and isolated the Irish immigrants Celtic would never have existed

There's plenty of Irish lived in England for centuries, but there's no Liverpool or Manchester Celtic.

Their first act as a club was to nick all of Hibernian’s players. They certain keep that tradition alive.

 

[Revolution]

Both fucking stupid clubs. The complete antithesis of what football should be.

Both are just drug dealers running along the same political lines of NI. There’s no good or bad, they’re both just bad. I’m sure Celtic fans will say they’re more welcoming etc. but both sets of fans act the same, both are bigoted, both take a football rivalry far too seriously.

They’re massive in Scotland (obviously) and Northern Ireland.

Most of their support abroad is more around affiliation and that “brotherhood” bollocks with other clubs. Celtic more so than Rangers.

They’re fuck all compared to the PL clubs world wide. Domestically they’re probably in the top 5 supported.

I’m sick of being asked to pick a side, or who do I prefer? Also wince when I see anything to do with either club associated with ours. We’re not a catholic club not Protestant, and I wouldn’t want us to be seen as one or the other, it’s bollocks. Football should be for all, not one or the other.

Tangentially, I know a number of Irish people from both sides of the border. Many of them like football, but I have never met one who supports, or has the slightest interest in, the local teams or leagues.

It’s Man U, Liverpool, the Gruesome twosome from Scotland, and other big clubs. I even know a guy from Belfast who’s a lifelong AC Milan supporter.

This may be based on small sample size, but I’ve always thought of Irish football fans as the biggest bunch of glory hunters going.

 

[MobileBlade]

“Do you see kids wearing Rangers/Celtic shirts? Not really, other than in Scotland”

You’ve never been abroad then?

Isn't Scotland abroad?