Outgoing? SANDER BERGE ON WAY OUT ?

[alcoblade]

Sad but true…

Also think its hard for us to convince players like Sander to stay because we’re not a “wealthy” club and he knows it. Even if we go up we are not:

(A) going to pay him anything like other PL clubs would; or

(B) go on a massive spending spree and surround him with top level talent.

Contrast to many other lower end PL and upper end Championship clubs who (thanks to big wealthy backers) can do both of the above.

Most premier league clubs wont be intrested in him.

I could see a Palace type having a flutter - so he could still increase his wages no doubt. But the pool of clubs is small.

 

[Teddy]

Most premier league clubs wont be intrested in him.

I could see a Palace type having a flutter - so he could still increase his wages no doubt. But the pool of clubs is small.

You may be right - my wider point, I guess, is that if he’s ambitious he knows that his medium to long term future is not with us, even if we go up. That makes it a lot easier for him to decide to leave now - because otherwise he’s just delaying the inevitable. Would be different if we had the financial backing to push up the PL table once up.

 

[Frank the tank]

Most premier league clubs wont be intrested in him.

I could see a Palace type having a flutter - so he could still increase his wages no doubt. But the pool of clubs is small.

Not that long ago you said we wouldn't get ten million.for him
Several times !

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Not that long ago you said we wouldn't get ten million.for him
Several times !

To be fair, he's stepped up a level this season. He's shown he can take a game by the scruff of the neck and be a leader.
He looks like scoring / assisting every game.

 

[Frank the tank]

To be fair, he's stepped up a level this season. He's shown he can take a game by the scruff of the neck and be a leader.
He looks like scoring / assisting every game.

He doesn't look any better to me than he has whenever he's been fit
He was outstanding v spurs and Chelsea in the prem before his Injury

He was never as bad as some were making out .unbelievably footballers do play better when fully match fit and with a run of games

Let's hope Brewster and mcburnie are next

 

[A Storm of Blades]

He doesn't look any better to me than he has whenever he's been fit
He was outstanding v spurs and Chelsea in the prem before his Injury

He was never as bad as some were making out .unbelievably footballers do play better when fully match fit and with a run of games

Let's hope Brewster and mcburnie are next

I agree. Credit to Hecky for recognising that he is much better further forward and unlocking that undoubted talent.

 

[alcoblade]

Not that long ago you said we wouldn't get ten million.for him
Several times !

Well I'm still not sure that we will, and I'm sure we wouldn't back then (that still makes him a good player by championship standards you know?). But I'd now imagine between £10-15M, based on the uptick in his performances.

I'm sure I'm nearer the mark than his fanboys, when it comes to his valuation.

I listen to this talk about Liverpool interest and nearly piss myself.

Of course, I hope the fanboys are right.

 

[Sam64]

Seems to be strong reports in Belgium this morning that Club Brugge are going after Raphael Onyedika from FC Midtjylland. Hopefully that's an alternative to Sander.

 

[Frank the tank]

I agree. Credit to Hecky for recognising that he is much better further forward and unlocking that undoubted talent.

He was playing there in those games I mentioned above wasn't he ?

Well I'm still not sure that we will, and I'm sure we wouldn't back then (that still makes him a good player by championship standards you know?). But I'd now imagine between £10-15M, based on the uptick in his performances.

I'm sure I'm nearer the mark that his fanboys, when it comes to his valuation.

I listen to this talk about Liverpool interest and nearly piss myself.

Of course, I hope the fanboys are right.

Ten to fifteen million isn't less than ten though is it ?

 

[alcoblade]

He was playing there in those games I mentioned above wasn't he ?
Ten to fifteen million isn't less than ten though is it ?

Erm....his potential value has risen because he's eventually proved he can be good at this level of English football. No shit Sherlock.

I'm not sure what point you're making?

 

[Frank the tank]

Erm....his potential value has risen because he's eventually proved he can be good at this level of English football. No shit Sherlock.

I'm not sure what point you're making?

That you were talking shit
Spamming the thread about how useless the lad was when anyone could see there was a player in there

 

[A Storm of Blades]

He was playing there in those games I mentioned above wasn't he ?
Ten to fifteen million isn't less than ten though is it ?

He was certainly further forward in the Tottenham game. Whatever his best position, I think we can all agree that he wasn’t suited to that RCM flat 3 role that Wilder tried to crowbar him into. Madness to play him there.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

He doesn't look any better to me than he has whenever he's been fit
He was outstanding v spurs and Chelsea in the prem before his Injury

He was never as bad as some were making out .unbelievably footballers do play better when fully match fit and with a run of games

Let's hope Brewster and mcburnie are next

Would have to disagree. I think he's looked far more accomplished this season.
Not only is he doing it more consistently game-to-game, he's also performing throughout the 90 minutes too.
Previously he only displayed his capabilities in patches and usually only when the whole team was performing.
Now, he actually influences our performances and sets the tempo.

I think he's come a long way.

 

[alcoblade]

That you were talking shit
Spamming the thread about how useless the lad was when anyone could see there was a player in there

Ah, I see. You can't back up your nonsense so you've invited a straw man. As the king of talking shit yourself in your various bannable persona's, its quite an accolade you tried to pass to me there.

The vast majority of my energy regarding Berge has been about grounding clueless fanboys like you, deluding themselves that he'd trigger a £35M release clause if only he weren't home sick, played in the right position, had better players around him (insert Berge Bingo theme). At no point have I argued he was useless - just overrated by a few Muppets like yourself.

 

[alcoblade]

Would have to disagree. I think he's looked far more accomplished this season.
Not only is he doing it more consistently game-to-game, he's also performing throughout the 90 minutes too.
Previously he only displayed his capabilities in patches and usually only when the whole team was performing.
Now, he actually influences our performances and sets the tempo.

I think he's come a long way.

Without doubt.

 

[Ricardo Mantelban]

Does anyone think if Leicester sell Tielemens, he’d be an obvious replacement.

 

[Frank the tank]

Ah, I see. You can't back up your nonsense so you've invited a straw man. As the king of talking shit yourself in your various bannable persona's, its quite an accolade you tried to pass to me there.

The vast majority of my energy regarding Berge has been about grounding clueless fanboys like you, deluding themselves that he'd trigger a £35M release clause if only he weren't home sick, played in the right position, had better players around him (insert Berge Bingo theme). At no point have I argued he was useless - just overrated by a few Muppets like yourself.

Gone from talking shit to just lying now

 

[Frank the tank]

Would have to disagree. I think he's looked far more accomplished this season.
Not only is he doing it more consistently game-to-game, he's also performing throughout the 90 minutes too.
Previously he only displayed his capabilities in patches and usually only when the whole team was performing.
Now, he actually influences our performances and sets the tempo.

I think he's come a long way.

People see what they want to.see

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Would have to disagree. I think he's looked far more accomplished this season.
Not only is he doing it more consistently game-to-game, he's also performing throughout the 90 minutes too.
Previously he only displayed his capabilities in patches and usually only when the whole team was performing.
Now, he actually influences our performances and sets the tempo.

I think he's come a long way.

I think your timeline is off. He started this form mid-way through last season IMO.

 

[alcoblade]

Gone from talking shit to just lying now

Okay -insert this week’s name-

 

[alcoblade]

I think your timeline is off. He started this form mid-way through last season IMO.

Yes, around the second half of last season saw a significant upturn in his play.

 

[SwindonBladeJnr]

Would have to disagree. I think he's looked far more accomplished this season.
Not only is he doing it more consistently game-to-game, he's also performing throughout the 90 minutes too.
Previously he only displayed his capabilities in patches and usually only when the whole team was performing.
Now, he actually influences our performances and sets the tempo.

I think he's come a long way.

I broadly agree with both of you! I think Berge's lesser performances have generally been overblown. In my opinion, he has been ineffective at times without often being truly poor, and even in his worse performances his ability and potential are always apparent (perhaps part of the frustration). Some people bemoan some of his 'safe' passing, but we all see things differently - I want my midfielders to take care of the ball and keep possession for the team when there isn't anything on going forward. I don't want him hooking/hoofing channel balls to no one. Accepting that also with his ability, he needs to drive forward and try the forward pass into strikers and wingbacks when they are on.

It's also apparent that his shift slightly up the pitch has brought out better performances from him, no question. We're making much better use of his strengths now. Another ability of his which we're now seeing unexpectedly is late runs into the box to take up goal scoring positions. He's very good at that (Middlesborough last season, Fulham last season, Ndiaye's goal at the weekend etc).

Regardless of how long Berge stays with us I think this spell will make him a more complete player. Even if it's happened in the second tier where obviously wouldn't have expected to be when he signed for us.

 

[Bladesman]

Hecky in the presser:

“Early on there was a lot of noise and bids but then it's gone quiet,” Heckingbottom said.

“Which is great for me personally. Sander's in the thick of it but he's been performing and training well. He's a good lad, he's driven and he knows the situation.

“Everything's been done properly so there's no surprises, nothing's jumping out the woodwork and hopefully nothing does.”

 

[gaffablade]

Does anyone think if Leicester sell Tielemens, he’d be an obvious replacement.

no

 

[nopigfansintown]

Sander was top class post first lockdown; start of prem season two; final third of last season; beginning of this season. Why? These are all the periods he's been fit at United.

It's no mystery, it was predicted and predictable. He's a massive unit for a central midfielder, the eagle eyed will have noticed him flagging last week. Guess what? He'll get stronger as the season goes on due to this.

 

[alcoblade]

Sander was top class post first lockdown; start of prem season two; final third of last season; beginning of this season. Why? These are all the periods he's been fit at United.

It's no mystery, it was predicted and predictable. He's a massive unit for a central midfielder, the eagle eyed will have noticed him flagging last week. Guess what? He'll get stronger as the season goes on due to this.

I'd have to disagree (you'll be surprised). There's a marked increase in his contribution from the back end of last season. In my opinion he sent us slightly backwards in his first season, as (by his own admission) he clearly struggled with the pace of the English game.

Whilst you aren't alone in thinking your way, I'd say the majority of fans have noticed a significant improvement since he's been encouraged to push further forwards.

 

[Scarebus]

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[nopigfansintown]

I'd have to disagree (you'll be surprised). There's a marked increase in his contribution from the back end of last season. In my opinion he sent us slightly backwards in his first season, as (by his own admission) he clearly struggled with the pace of the English game.

Whilst you aren't alone in thinking your way, I'd say the majority of fans have noticed a significant improvement since he's been encouraged to push further forwards.

Before first lockdown he was getting up to speed.For me he was our best player after first lockdown, and at the start of prem season two. There was admittedly a shortage of games, hence data, in his post prem acclimatisation period. What there was was very impressive. This was playing on the right of the flat three.
1st Champ season he was coming back from one of the worst injuries in football on the back of no proper pre season - he should've been eased in not thrashed to death playing two or three game weeks. It was predicted on here that we'd break him. We then built him up after he recovered from doing the other hamstring and benefited from that at the back end. Now he is starting the season in a good place. The smart money, imo, is on him replicating the back end of last season over the vast majority of this season providing he stays injury three..

 

[Champagneblade]

.

I see your point!

 

[robbiez666]

Sad but true…

Also think its hard for us to convince players like Sander to stay because we’re not a “wealthy” club and he knows it. Even if we go up we are not:

(A) going to pay him anything like other PL clubs would; or

(B) go on a massive spending spree and surround him with top level talent.

Contrast to many other lower end PL and upper end Championship clubs who (thanks to big wealthy backers) can do both of the above.

I think it's also highly likely that if we did go up that we'd play in a way which dominated possession. We'd likely be playing mainly on the counter and that's not really his forte.