Outgoing? SANDER BERGE ON WAY OUT ?

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If they can afford to pay Sander 100k a week (which would presumably be over a 3-4 year contract?) then that means they can afford to submit a bid that they know we'd start to negotiate seriously from. So less of the 100k wages and more of a transfer fee, I'm sure Sander realistically would still willingly agree anywhere between 40k - 70k a week in wages for his ability.
 
50k / week is £2.5m / year which equates to £10m over the course of his contract
Subsequently reduce his wage to £50k which is still more than he is on at bdtbl, increase the offer to £22m and they are pressing the right buttons.
Not saying that I want him to go
 
They shouldn't be offering Berge fuck all unless we have given them permission to talk to him. Absolute bell ends trying to unsettle our player via the media. They have never been paying him 100k a week. If they are gonna act like bell ends like this we should flat out refuse to do any business with them and report them to UEFA for tapping up
 
TJB. said:
They can offer him £500,000 a week if they like. Gu mental.

But if the fee isn't right for us it means absolutely piss all. The club isn't going to say "Hm...they're offering Sander a great wage, I suppose we'd better let him go". It doesn't work like that.
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It does work like that. Read Ramsdale’s comments, or the subsequent comments from Ben Foster backing him up. It’s just a job for them. If you turn down a transfer offer, where a player stands to significantly increase their income, you’re expected to offer them a better contract as compensation.
It’s player power, that thing people in the game have talked about for years but fans don’t seem to understand. We can force him to stay but we can’t force him to play well. After watching Lundstram amble round the pitch looking completely disinterested, how much more evidence that keeping players who don’t want to be here doesn’t work is needed, before supporters understand this?
If Berge has told Hecky he’s happy to stay and isn’t interested in going to any of the clubs that want him, fine, you can play hardball. If he wants out, then it’s a matter of getting the best deal for the club. If he doesn’t want to be here, get rid and bring in someone who does because you can have all the skill in the world but if you’re not motivated you look like those Man U players yesterday and that won’t get us promoted. A player with two thirds the talent of Berge but putting in double the effort will do more on the pitch.
 
Unless they hit the release clause and we have a min 20 percent sell on then I would keep him for this season. If we don't go up then we must cash in with it being his final contract year next year.
 
Champagneblade said:
The Prince hasn't sold a single player of note when he's been in sole control.
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Which is why we’ve only been able to recruit two permanent signings and filled the club with loans, most of whom won’t be here next season. There’s a danger of going down the Chancer route of failing to trade to bring in income, but in our case we don’t have an owner who’s prepared to put large chunks of his own money in to cover his mistakes.
I can see the thinking behind it, if we don’t go up, we’re probably going to lose our best young players to PL clubs anyway, so we may as well chuck everything we can at getting promoted but I guess I don’t have the faith in Hecky that the owner has. He’s a good bloke, good coach but I’m not convinced he’s a top first team manager.
 
BushBlade said:
It does work like that. Read Ramsdale’s comments, or the subsequent comments from Ben Foster backing him up. It’s just a job for them. If you turn down a transfer offer, where a player stands to significantly increase their income, you’re expected to offer them a better contract as compensation.
It’s player power, that thing people in the game have talked about for years but fans don’t seem to understand. We can force him to stay but we can’t force him to play well. After watching Lundstram amble round the pitch looking completely disinterested, how much more evidence that keeping players who don’t want to be here doesn’t work is needed, before supporters understand this?
If Berge has told Hecky he’s happy to stay and isn’t interested in going to any of the clubs that want him, fine, you can play hardball. If he wants out, then it’s a matter of getting the best deal for the club. If he doesn’t want to be here, get rid and bring in someone who does because you can have all the skill in the world but if you’re not motivated you look like those Man U players yesterday and that won’t get us promoted. A player with two thirds the talent of Berge but putting in double the effort will do more on the pitch.
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Generally speaking I think you're right with that. Players have a lot of power and have done for a long time now but in this case (and I could be completely wrong here) Sander doesn't really seem the type to down tools if you like, to me he seems quite mature and sensible for his generation.

On the other hand we don't want to short change ourselves much in terms of the fee we receive for him. If this Belgian club or any club does not meet our valuation of him then fingers crossed Sander will be a little more understanding of this than some of his peers would be and keep his head down. The future for him could still look bright in just half a season's time if he impresses or even better promotion back to the PL if we and him do really well over the full season.
 
Most likeliest is, Sander stays has a brilliant first half season, then bids come in January and we make a fortune.
 
JL94x4 said:
Most likeliest is, Sander stays has a brilliant first half season, then bids come in January and we make a fortune.
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And severely weaken the side for the second half of the season - not a great plan!. It's much more difficult to recruit in Jan than the summer with prices far higher so it will be challenging to find a decent replacement without paying way over the odds.

IMHO either he goes now (should an acceptable offer be received) or stays for the season.
 
BushBlade said:
Which is why we’ve only been able to recruit two permanent signings and filled the club with loans, most of whom won’t be here next season. There’s a danger of going down the Chancer route of failing to trade to bring in income, but in our case we don’t have an owner who’s prepared to put large chunks of his own money in to cover his mistakes.
I can see the thinking behind it, if we don’t go up, we’re probably going to lose our best young players to PL clubs anyway, so we may as well chuck everything we can at getting promoted but I guess I don’t have the faith in Hecky that the owner has. He’s a good bloke, good coach but I’m not convinced he’s a top first team manager.
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It’s not like teams have been beating the door down to sign our players. There’s been the odd thing on Twitter that’s mostly made up just for clicks, but no real concrete offers for anyone other than Ramsdale. Can’t sell what other teams don’t want. If a team is serious about Berge then make a serious offer. His value is on the rise with every game and goal he scores if someone wants him this season.
 
If they are going to see him as a €100,000 per week player then you don't get players of that ilk for €15m or whatever they he'll they're kidding themselves they'll get him for.

You see him as a €100,000 per week player? Then pay the £35,000,000 release clause. Otherwise don't go touting nonsense.
 
JL94x4 said:
Most likeliest is, Sander stays has a brilliant first half season, then bids come in January and we make a fortune.
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Rather lose a player in the summer and have time to spend the money on a replacement. In January you tend to get rinsed on transfers.
 

Hecky speaks a lot about not wanting to lose Sander and that he just doesn't want to sell him.

I wonder if it has been considered that as teams get desperate and the transfer window close approaches, what if someone offers his release fee?

Liverpool have players missing already. Suppose another decent sized club with money to spare gets injuries.

You'd say unlikely that will be paid, but recency bias and the panic of a closing window can be awkward bed fellows.

At present we've played 3 games and he's scored 2 goals.

He's got 3 home games to come, 2 of which are against newly promoted Sunderland and a recently hammered and hapless Reading. He's then got an additional home game and Luton away.

Unlikely but if he has a purple patch and has 5 goals by the end of August, someone might just think "Hello". Let's not forget you have Forest looking at bidding up to £40m for Gibbs-White.
 
Champagneblade said:
Hecky speaks a lot about not wanting to lose Sander and that he just doesn't want to sell him.

I wonder if it has been considered that as teams get desperate and the transfer window close approaches, what if someone offers his release fee?

Liverpool have players missing already. Suppose another decent sized club with money to spare gets injuries.

You'd say unlikely that will be paid, but recency bias and the panic of a closing window can be awkward bed fellows.

At present we've played 3 games and he's scored 2 goals.

He's got 3 home games to come, 2 of which are against newly promoted Sunderland and a recently hammered and hapless Reading. He's then got an additional home game and Luton away.

Unlikely but if he has a purple patch and has 5 goals by the end of August, someone might just think "Hello". Let's not forget you have Forest looking at bidding up to £40m for Gibbs-White.
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I think if someone pays his release fee you say thankyou very much we’re sorry to lose you but that’s a hell of a lot of money.

That kind of money you could buy 2/3 good prospects on a perm and probably build the new academy.
 
Yogi said:
I think if someone pays his release fee you say thankyou very much we’re sorry to lose you but that’s a hell of a lot of money.

That kind of money you could buy 2/3 good prospects on a perm and probably build the new academy.
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I think the point is if someone comes in with that then the manager and board get taken out of the equation.

That sort of money was paid for Buendia.

If Newcastle are baulking at paying £60m for Maddison then £35m might seem a lot more palatable. Even Leicester. If he did go for that then signing a player for £35m and banking £25m isn't the worst proposition.

Not saying it will. Just putting out there if his very visible goslscoring form continues and clubs start to panic, Christ, Andy Carroll went for £35m years back!
 
Great goal and start yesterday but if anyone was watching yesterday they will have seen how he ran out of legs and did nothing second half when he was blowing out of his arse. Teams aren't going to pay 35 million for a player that can't manage 90 minutes in the championship.
 
Bladesthorpe said:
Great goal and start yesterday but if anyone was watching yesterday they will have seen how he ran out of legs and did nothing second half when he was blowing out of his arse. Teams aren't going to pay 35 million for a player that can't manage 90 minutes in the championship.
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It was 32 degrees in all fairness. There wasn't much tempo from both teams apart from small patches & then they had a bit of momentum at the end where they could have won it
 
Bladesthorpe said:
Great goal and start yesterday but if anyone was watching yesterday they will have seen how he ran out of legs and did nothing second half when he was blowing out of his arse. Teams aren't going to pay 35 million for a player that can't manage 90 minutes in the championship.
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Good job you were watching then.
 
Not many teams in the PL looked good yesterday in that heat. Some players who are used to running in country that has high temps can manage it, but let's pile on Berge!
 
Find it interesting how some players people will accept not playing the full 90 but others it's a stick to beat them with. We have another player who regularly comes off at 60-75 minutes
 
Bladesthorpe said:
Great goal and start yesterday but if anyone was watching yesterday they will have seen how he ran out of legs and did nothing second half when he was blowing out of his arse. Teams aren't going to pay 35 million for a player that can't manage 90 minutes in the championship.
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The Championship is one of the quickest, most physical leagues in the world. I watch a fair bit of European football and most leagues are noticeably slower. Not managing 90 minutes in the Championship would likely translate to being one of the fittest midfielders around in the Bundesliga.
 

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