Outgoing? SANDER BERGE ON WAY OUT ?

[dc_blade]

In case anyone wants to read what the grown-up newspaper says about Berge:

"We have had bids for Sander," he explained. "I have been open with Sander but I would always say no, whatever it was."

"However, the bids that came in for Sander were nowhere near the club's valuation. Regardless of any release clause or anything, they were nowhere near, so that's easy for me to say because in my opinion we don't sell him no matter what.

"I think he's a fantastic player, I love working with him and I think there is more to come. I think we will be weaker without him, so I want to keep him.

"It is a business, I get that, but even that doesn't stack up so anything that's been put forward for Sander has been nowhere near the club's valuation."

Sheffield United's Paul Heckingbottom on Sander Berge interest and rejected bids

The Blades boss says his star midfielder has been the subject of offers but they have all fallen way short of United's valuation

www.examinerlive.co.uk

 

[SufcBilly]

In case anyone wants to read what the grown-up newspaper says about Berge:

"We have had bids for Sander," he explained. "I have been open with Sander but I would always say no, whatever it was."

"However, the bids that came in for Sander were nowhere near the club's valuation. Regardless of any release clause or anything, they were nowhere near, so that's easy for me to say because in my opinion we don't sell him no matter what.

"I think he's a fantastic player, I love working with him and I think there is more to come. I think we will be weaker without him, so I want to keep him.

"It is a business, I get that, but even that doesn't stack up so anything that's been put forward for Sander has been nowhere near the club's valuation."

Sheffield United's Paul Heckingbottom on Sander Berge interest and rejected bids

The Blades boss says his star midfielder has been the subject of offers but they have all fallen way short of United's valuation

www.examinerlive.co.uk

very glad to see they are sticking to their guns on this, he may well leave this summer, but they will get the money they want for him. And if they aren’t even negotiating these bids then they shows me that you pay the price or we benefit this season. Nice

 

[Weasel]

That's all we can ask of the club. If SB is to go then it should be for a sum which matches or is in excess of the clubs valuation. The closer it gets to the deadline the higher the asking price as it leaves us with a very short time frame to sort out a replacement and you can be sure the selling club will know this and put their asking price up for any quality player we are after on transfer deadline week. I'm with Hecky on this one. Either an offer too good to turn down or we commit to having him for this season and hope he finally comes good for a full season and helps get us up.

 

[sufc323]

In case anyone wants to read what the grown-up newspaper says about Berge:

"We have had bids for Sander," he explained. "I have been open with Sander but I would always say no, whatever it was."

"However, the bids that came in for Sander were nowhere near the club's valuation. Regardless of any release clause or anything, they were nowhere near, so that's easy for me to say because in my opinion we don't sell him no matter what.

"I think he's a fantastic player, I love working with him and I think there is more to come. I think we will be weaker without him, so I want to keep him.

"It is a business, I get that, but even that doesn't stack up so anything that's been put forward for Sander has been nowhere near the club's valuation."

Sheffield United's Paul Heckingbottom on Sander Berge interest and rejected bids

The Blades boss says his star midfielder has been the subject of offers but they have all fallen way short of United's valuation

www.examinerlive.co.uk

How refreshing is that, no bigger Blade than me Seth would have loaned him to Bremen with a £10 million option to buy.

EDIT - We probably wouldn't have bought him in the first place if he were still chairman

 

[Mouth of the South]

I'm not sure many of use at the end of last season would have expected SB to still be at Utd at the end of the window. However, it appears there to be such a gulf between the amount Utd are seeking and the level of the offers / indicative enquiries to date that unless something substantial gives (i.e. drop their asking price considerably or prospective buyers significantly increase their offers (consideration/contingent payments), he is likely to stay.

I'm not sure he or his reps (or national manager) will be too pleased but it's a different market to when he joined Utd.

 

[Billyblade]

I'm not sure many of use at the end of last season would have expected SB to still be at Utd at the end of the window. However, it appears there to be such a gulf between the amount Utd are seeking and the level of the offers / indicative enquiries to date that unless something substantial gives (i.e. drop their asking price considerably or prospective buyers significantly increase their offers (consideration/contingent payments), he is likely to stay.

I'm not sure he or his reps (or national manager) will be too pleased but it's a different market to when he joined Utd.

I'd love to think that we are finally telling people to fuck off when they come in with derogatory bids. My head says that's not the case though

 

[SufcBilly]

I'm not sure many of use at the end of last season would have expected SB to still be at Utd at the end of the window. However, it appears there to be such a gulf between the amount Utd are seeking and the level of the offers / indicative enquiries to date that unless something substantial gives (i.e. drop their asking price considerably or prospective buyers significantly increase their offers (consideration/contingent payments), he is likely to stay.

I'm not sure he or his reps (or national manager) will be too pleased but it's a different market to when he joined Utd.

Solbakken can go piss on his own bald head the fucking freak

 

[Mouth of the South]

I'd love to think that we are finally telling people to fuck off when they come in with derogatory bids. My head says that's not the case though

To the credit of HRH and the Board since he took sole control, all exits have been on their terms (including Brooks and Ramsdale) and the days of McCabe selling cheap thankfully seem to be over.

The other positive regarding Berge potentially leaving is that the club don't appear to need to sell, unless Lowe not going to Forest to fund AA's signing causes an issue.

 

[Mouth of the South]

Solbakken can go piss on his own bald head the fucking freak

Hahaha - probably best you stay away from the negotiating table Billy!

On a serious note, such situations are where agents need to do the legwork on behalf of their client and drum-up interest /offers of a mutually agreeable level to enable transfers to take place i.e. earn their commission. It appears that SB's agent has been unable to do that (so far!)

 

[Berkshire Blade]

To the credit of HRH and the Board since he took sole control, all exits have been on their terms (including Brooks and Ramsdale) and the days of McCabe selling cheap thankfully seem to be over.

The other positive regarding Berge potentially leaving is that the club don't appear to need to sell, unless Lowe not going to Forest to fund AA's signing causes an issue.

Brooks was a McCabe era...

 

[Mouth of the South]

Brooks was a McCabe era...

I think you're right, at least he was still about and it was the joint ownership period

 

[nickwr37]

Hahaha - probably best you stay away from the negotiating table Billy!

On a serious note, such situations are where agents need to do the legwork on behalf of their client and drum-up interest /offers of a mutually agreeable level to enable transfers to take place i.e. earn their commission. It appears that SB's agent has been unable to do that (so far!)

Who is his agent out of interest, rather than me trawl round to try and locate it? Has he got a decent stable of talent on his books too?
This site is tosh below too!

Sander Berge - The Players' Agent

Theplayersagent.com is a private community for football(soccer) players and agents. Among other things the platform allows players and agents to maintain player cv's, communicate, post job ads and manage contracts and mandates.

www.theplayersagent.com

 

[LudlamBlade]

Who is his agent out of interest, rather than me trawl round to try and locate it? Has he got a decent stable of talent on his books too?
This site is tosh below too!

Sander Berge - The Players' Agent

Theplayersagent.com is a private community for football(soccer) players and agents. Among other things the platform allows players and agents to maintain player cv's, communicate, post job ads and manage contracts and mandates.

www.theplayersagent.com

Keypass AS - Player agency - Player Agents

This site is the agency site of Keypass AS, giving an overview of all players who work with Keypass AS.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

 

[Mouth of the South]

Who is his agent out of interest, rather than me trawl round to try and locate it? Has he got a decent stable of talent on his books too?
This site is tosh below too!

Sander Berge - The Players' Agent

Theplayersagent.com is a private community for football(soccer) players and agents. Among other things the platform allows players and agents to maintain player cv's, communicate, post job ads and manage contracts and mandates.

www.theplayersagent.com

www.keypass.no, specifically Morten Wivestad

 

[Lucky1979]

I'm not sure many of use at the end of last season would have expected SB to still be at Utd at the end of the window. However, it appears there to be such a gulf between the amount Utd are seeking and the level of the offers / indicative enquiries to date that unless something substantial gives (i.e. drop their asking price considerably or prospective buyers significantly increase their offers (consideration/contingent payments), he is likely to stay.

I'm not sure he or his reps (or national manager) will be too pleased but it's a different market to when he joined Utd.

If only there was some kind of thing in his contract that meant a club could trigger a transfer. Some kind of clause to release him.

This is a good sign of us not being a pushover and accept any offer type of club anymore. Over the years plenty of championship clubs have sold players for high fees but we seemingly rolled over for anything above £1m for any of our players.

If Boro can get £15m+ for a right back they don’t want then we should expect nothing less than SB’s release fee as he’s a player we desperately want to keep

 

[Bladesman]

To the credit of HRH and the Board since he took sole control, all exits have been on their terms (including Brooks and Ramsdale) and the days of McCabe selling cheap thankfully seem to be over.

The other positive regarding Berge potentially leaving is that the club don't appear to need to sell, unless Lowe not going to Forest to fund AA's signing causes an issue.

Like Hecky said in the presser, he doesn't want Berge to go but if he does go then it has to at least make business sense. He said the offers we have had don't even make business sense or are even touching his release clause which implies we would be taking a big loss on Berge.

Seems like we are playing a similar game as we did with Ramsdale, pay up or piss off.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Not only would the bid have to make sense we would have to have deals to replace him completely lined up for it to make sense at all.

 

[FriethBlade]

If we can keep him we can reassess in January. If clubs wont pay up now then we go with him and hopefully do well. If we are near the top in January he will cost even more as he could be the difference between promotion or not. If we are out of contention he almost certainly goes to the highest bidder before his contract becomes too short to get a meaningful fee for him.

In my new optimistic self I predict he plays premier.league football next season....for us

 

[FinBlade]

Somehow I understood that Berge wanted to look around for options, but maybe I remember or got it wrong.
Even if he did/does we don't have to sell him undet priced.

I was wondering that Berge had some health issues last season and was bit shadowed by MGW, but still being or 2nd best midfielder by faaaar. Are those who have interests in him willing to put enough money on the table in this window? By Hecks comments it seem that there ain't club who's willing to do that.

Maybe we can keep Berge after all, which suits more than fine.

 

[Champagneblade]

Whether that be through injury or needing time to settle, Sander hasn’t actually had a good season behind him yet.

He’s had some good bits. But he needs a full campaign for clubs to know they are getting a proven player.

He’s not the age where clubs will pay wild money on him as a prospect and he’s not done enough to justify the fee his realised potential ought to.

For me he stays with us and smashes it and either we go up and he stays and signs a new deal or goes to someone who triggers his clause or he leaves for around 15-18m in a year with just a year left if we didn’t go up.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Whether that be through injury or needing time to settle, Sander hasn’t actually had a good season behind him yet.

He’s had some good bits. But he needs a full campaign for clubs to know they are getting a proven player.

He’s not the age where clubs will pay wild money on him as a prospect and he’s not done enough to justify the fee his realised potential ought to.

For me he stays with us and smashes it and either we go up and he stays and signs a new deal or goes to someone who triggers his clause or he leaves for around 15-18m in a year with just a year left if we didn’t go up.

At this point you can almost treat the reducing transfer fee as his contract get close to expiring as a transfer outlay.

Say we get 5/8 mil less in a year then we could now - for me that’s worth probably having him here if he continues the form of the last part of the season. He was scoring roughy 1/3 I think and playing well.

Unless someone blows us away with an offer I think we stand a better chance of going up with him here

 

[Champagneblade]

At this point you can almost treat the reducing transfer fee as his contract get close to expiring as a transfer outlay.

Say we get 5/8 mil less in a year then we could now - for me that’s worth probably having him here if he continues the form of the last part of the season. He was scoring roughy 1/3 I think and playing well.

Unless someone blows us away with an offer I think we stand a better chance of going up with him here

That's a very fair point. You take a 22m signing for an extra year or a 5m player who'd be much lower quality?

Hopefully Sander is teed up to have his best season yet. In which case it will be money well spent.

 

[Old Programme seller]

I wonder what the release clause amount is? We may well lose out on a decent percentage back to his former club plus the agent and player fees football transfers are an expensive thing.

 

[Mouth of the South]

I wonder what the release clause amount is? We may well lose out on a decent percentage back to his former club plus the agent and player fees football transfers are an expensive thing.

It is £35m. The club can of course choose to accept a lower offer should they wish to.

 

[Gin&Juice]

Think Hecky’s called Berge’s future.

He’ll start the season on fire, someone in the PL or a European team in the CL will get a few injuries before September, or notice him more and he’ll be gone.

This isn’t a slight on us, we’ve not sold to the highest bidder, he hasn’t downed tools.

What’s important is we have a contingency and the board push out to sign whoever it is. Otherwise it’s Weir and Macdonald all over again.

Out of all our players. He’s the one we can’t realistically replace for a pound for pound quality. but we can’t build the team around him too much.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Think Hecky’s called Berge’s future.

He’ll start the season on fire, someone in the PL or a European team in the CL will get a few injuries before September, or notice him more and he’ll be gone.

This isn’t a slight on us, we’ve not sold to the highest bidder, he hasn’t downed tools.

What’s important is we have a contingency and the board push out to sign whoever it is. Otherwise it’s Weir and Macdonald all over again.

Out of all our players. He’s the one we can’t realistically replace for a pound for pound quality. but we can’t build the team around him too much.

We had a long discussion in shoutbox on Berge's value on the market, his value to us, could we improve the team with the funds from his sale etc.
Regardless of where everyone stands on that debate, I just hope the club has 2/3 players lined up in the eventuality that Berge does get sold late into the window. Bowler at Blackpool, maybe push the boat out for someone like Keinan Davis on loan etc...

 

[LJBlade]

We had a long discussion in shoutbox on Berge's value on the market, his value to us, could we improve the team with the funds from his sale etc.
Regardless of where everyone stands on that debate, I just hope the club has 2/3 players lined up in the eventuality that Berge does get sold late into the window. Bowler at Blackpool, maybe push the boat out for someone like Keinan Davis on loan etc...

Bowler and Davis are completely different players to Berge though. If we did sell Berge we’d need to replace him with a player who plays a similar position.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Bowler and Davis are completely different players to Berge though. If we did sell Berge we’d need to replace him with a player who plays a similar position.

Bowler plays as a wide attacker. If we're playing 2 behind a striker then I think he'd cover one of those positions.
Davis is a centre forward. We need one. It'd be nice, if Berge went, to allocate those funds to improving us in a few areas (RWB, maybe even CDM).

We're never going to be able to directly replace Berge like-for-like, so it would be about trying to find a NET benefit by bringing in good players in a few areas.

 

[LJBlade]

Bowler plays as a wide attacker. If we're playing 2 behind a striker then I think he'd cover one of those positions.
Davis is a centre forward. We need one. It'd be nice, if Berge went, to allocate those funds to improving us in a few areas (RWB, maybe even CDM).

We're never going to be able to directly replace Berge like-for-like, so it would be about trying to find a NET benefit by bringing in good players in a few areas.

Like-for-like, definitely not, but we’d need someone to replace the position that Berge plays. Neither Bowler nor Davis offers that.

 

[brownblade]

Bowler and Davis are completely different players to Berge though. If we did sell Berge we’d need to replace him with a player who plays a similar position.

Davis is completely different. Bowler I could actually see as a replacement, assuming Sander is playing in an advanced role, being asked to beat men and get crosses in (Bowler's advantage being he's also a natural goalscorer). #Bowlersagent