Osula and Jebbison

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BladesMadGreeny said:
From the squad we had today I think we’d start the season with Brewster up top with Ndiaye floating round and Berge more advanced than Norwood and Fleck.

Hopefully we’ll have Doyle fit and potentially Khadra added to the squad too. I’d expect both of those to start if available.

With the new 5 subs rule introduced Osula and Jebbison are definitely worth keeping round. Especially with Sharp and McBurnie weeks away from being fit.
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Excellent post. The club have a lot of fixtures in August, and currently only one striker fit, but might struggle to get through 90 minutes.
Keep Jebbo and Osula around until September at least, until Brewster is 100% and the other two fit to start.

I also agree with others who say Fleck, and even Norwood need more competition/pressure on their places. I hope Hecky can work out how 5 subs could benefit the match day squad without too much disruption.
 

Osula’s hold up play was abysmal, but I was more concerned by his lack of intelligence and awareness. Couldn’t grasp when to pass or when to shield / protect the ball. Kinder folk will call this ‘inexperience’.
 
Jebbison is going to be some player. He has insanely quick feet and a lot of skill, he's also a good finisher. Obviously not the finished article but I think he could be in for a big season.

The general consensus seemed to be that Osula had overtaken him but I can see Osula heading out on loan and Jebbo getting a lot of gametime with us.
 
I thought he'd gone to Southampton? Was it just a mini break to the Isle of Wight?
 
Nedski said:
Jebbison is going to be some player. He has insanely quick feet and a lot of skill, he's also a good finisher. Obviously not the finished article but I think he could be in for a big season.

The general consensus seemed to be that Osula had overtaken him but I can see Osula heading out on loan and Jebbo getting a lot of gametime with us.
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He blows hot and cold, but when that second goal went in the thoughts of a young Brian Deane returned.
 
Jebbison really good tonight. If he can work on his hold up play and in the air he ll be some player.

Osula has something, but I'd definitely get him out on loan first. Burton might be the team to take him.
 
Went tonight and he played well but sadly won't be up against Brayford and their other centre half who hadn't got a bit of pace between them in the championship .
 
Hecky is responsible for player development. It might be because it’s a cheaper option than buying the finished article, but he seems to be doing a really good job.
We have young players coming into the fringe of first team football and even at different ages and stages of development, that has to an exciting prospect for fans.
Whatever the reason, it seems that we have considerable talent and the coaching staff and manager are not afraid to give them a chance.
Our established players need to be upping their game, because there is a great mix of new players challenging the status quo. That’s a mouth watering prospect, unless one of them hoofs you from the first team.

I can’t remember the last time our squad was so exciting.
 
Charlieblade said:
Keep Jebbo and Osula around until September at least, until Brewster is 100% and the other two fit to start.
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Unless you mean 1st September, when the transfer window closes, not sure what you're expecting to do with them? Youth loans?

That's the difficulty. You're either keeping them to January, and largely not playing at least one of them or loaning and taking the risk.
 
robbiez666 said:
Unless you mean 1st September, when the transfer window closes, not sure what you're expecting to do with them? Youth loans?

That's the difficulty. You're either keeping them to January, and largely not playing at least one of them or loaning and taking the risk.
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On the other hand, it’s only a few months. They’d be training with the first team and are likely to get some game time as it looks like we’ll be without Sharp and McB for the start of the season.
I think with Jebbo having been on loan and now in the England youth set up, we’re probably going to have to keep him and play him, or he’ll consider moving. If he struggles, it might be easier to convince him to go on loan in the JTW for six months.
With Osalu, it might be easier to get him a loan at a better club if he’s had a bit more game time, again we might be able to get him a L1 loan in the JTW.
Or maybe they’ll both kick on with more game time and we end up using them more.
I’m generally in favour of loans to develop players but it’s not always necessary, particularly at championship level, where PL clubs loan their better youth players to develop.
But who knows what we’ll do before the window closes, we might end up loaning a very good prospect from the PL and letting Jebbo and Osalu out on loan but I don’t know if we could find one who’s significantly better. I can’t see us buying one as I doubt we can afford it but if we sold Berge, for example, then maybe we would.
It’s always difficult to gauge how quickly players will progress. And look at DCL, only played about 30 senior games with us and Northampton but never loaned out by Everton, developed in-house. The opposite being Kane, who had loads of loans before getting in Spurs’ first team. There isn’t a set way of doing it.
 
Couple of nice finishes again from Jebbo - particularly the 2nd. Been impressed with the quality of his goals (and osula’s) this preseason..



 
BushBlade said:
On the other hand, it’s only a few months. They’d be training with the first team and are likely to get some game time as it looks like we’ll be without Sharp and McB for the start of the season.
I think with Jebbo having been on loan and now in the England youth set up, we’re probably going to have to keep him and play him, or he’ll consider moving. If he struggles, it might be easier to convince him to go on loan in the JTW for six months.
With Osalu, it might be easier to get him a loan at a better club if he’s had a bit more game time, again we might be able to get him a L1 loan in the JTW.
Or maybe they’ll both kick on with more game time and we end up using them more.
I’m generally in favour of loans to develop players but it’s not always necessary, particularly at championship level, where PL clubs loan their better youth players to develop.
But who knows what we’ll do before the window closes, we might end up loaning a very good prospect from the PL and letting Jebbo and Osalu out on loan but I don’t know if we could find one who’s significantly better. I can’t see us buying one as I doubt we can afford it but if we sold Berge, for example, then maybe we would.
It’s always difficult to gauge how quickly players will progress. And look at DCL, only played about 30 senior games with us and Northampton but never loaned out by Everton, developed in-house. The opposite being Kane, who had loads of loans before getting in Spurs’ first team. There isn’t a set way of doing it.
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Think you’re right there about Jebbo we’ll also be keen to get him to sign a new deal which will presumably be easier if he’s getting first team minutes.
 
BushBlade said:
On the other hand, it’s only a few months. They’d be training with the first team and are likely to get some game time as it looks like we’ll be without Sharp and McB for the start of the season.
I think with Jebbo having been on loan and now in the England youth set up, we’re probably going to have to keep him and play him, or he’ll consider moving. If he struggles, it might be easier to convince him to go on loan in the JTW for six months.
With Osalu, it might be easier to get him a loan at a better club if he’s had a bit more game time, again we might be able to get him a L1 loan in the JTW.
Or maybe they’ll both kick on with more game time and we end up using them more.
I’m generally in favour of loans to develop players but it’s not always necessary, particularly at championship level, where PL clubs loan their better youth players to develop.
But who knows what we’ll do before the window closes, we might end up loaning a very good prospect from the PL and letting Jebbo and Osalu out on loan but I don’t know if we could find one who’s significantly better. I can’t see us buying one as I doubt we can afford it but if we sold Berge, for example, then maybe we would.
It’s always difficult to gauge how quickly players will progress. And look at DCL, only played about 30 senior games with us and Northampton but never loaned out by Everton, developed in-house. The opposite being Kane, who had loads of loans before getting in Spurs’ first team. There isn’t a set way of doing it.
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I think you're right. It makes more sense to loan Osula and keep Jebbo, at least until January.

I hope whatever we do fans will realise that young players are raw and not the finished article. They will have terrible games. They will have confidence issues. They will miss sitters and are likely to be less mentally robust. Being a forward is a position which you learn from experience. 28 is usually the start of a peak period.

Also, as a team, we're likely to have less consistent results the more youngsters we play. It will benefit those youngsters in the long run though.

I worry many of our fans will get on their backs if they have a bad spell. Look at last year?
 
Yogi said:
Think you’re right there about Jebbo we’ll also be keen to get him to sign a new deal which will presumably be easier if he’s getting first team minutes.
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I don't see him being anything more than 3rd choice CF at the moment. So unless we really are planning on reverting to 3 CMs and 2 CFs I don't see him getting many minutes
 

Carlton Blade said:
I don't see him being anything more than 3rd choice CF at the moment. So unless we really are planning on reverting to 3 CMs and 2 CFs I don't see him getting many minutes
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5 subs this year might increase his chances.

Ndiaye and Brewster are both likely to come off in games

Especially in August. So many games. We'll have to rotate fairly heavily.
 
Jebbo - Great finishes on his goals. Needs to be playing regular football in order to further develop. I think he will stay here and be involved.

Osula - as above but maybe needs a loan (like DJ) last season. Possibly to Burton again?
 
Yogi said:
Think you’re right there about Jebbo we’ll also be keen to get him to sign a new deal which will presumably be easier if he’s getting first team minutes.
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Exactly, I don’t think we’ll be able to convince him to sign a new contract then go out on loan to a L1 club. Given Everton made a bid for him last season, it will be in his mind that he could move to a PL club and get paid more, and probably be loaned to a lower level championship club. Even if he was loaned to a L1 club, he’d still probably get paid more. So we offer him first team football at the top end of the championship, which is a good reason to sign a new contract.
 
robbiez666 said:
I think you're right. It makes more sense to loan Osula and keep Jebbo, at least until January.

I hope whatever we do fans will realise that young players are raw and not the finished article. They will have terrible games. They will have confidence issues. They will miss sitters and are likely to be less mentally robust. Being a forward is a position which you learn from experience. 28 is usually the start of a peak period.

Also, as a team, we're likely to have less consistent results the more youngsters we play. It will benefit those youngsters in the long run though.

I worry many of our fans will get on their backs if they have a bad spell. Look at last year?
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Yeah, look at George Long. He got some real shit. That’s the downside and the risk, we’re not an easy club to play for at this level, high expectations. But, if you can learn to cope with that, it gives you a better chance of ending up at a big PL club, if you’re good enough. Playing well under pressure is a huge attribute to have.
 
Carlton Blade said:
I don't see him being anything more than 3rd choice CF at the moment. So unless we really are planning on reverting to 3 CMs and 2 CFs I don't see him getting many minutes
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Who’s the second choice? Sharp and McB still don’t seem close to being fit. Have I forgotten someone?
 
Carlton Blade said:
I 100% agree. It was more a point that I don't see huge amounts of game time for Jebbison
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That may be the case, or it may not, given we don’t know if we’ll play one or two up front, and whether Sharp will be fit and stay fit, and how many minutes Brewster will play when we’re doing Satdi Tuesday.
 
Lightsoot said:
Osula’s hold up play was abysmal, but I was more concerned by his lack of intelligence and awareness. Couldn’t grasp when to pass or when to shield / protect the ball. Kinder folk will call this ‘inexperience’.
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Wasn’t it his perfect through ball from which Jebbison scored ? Not always short of awareness.
 
Snowflake said:
Wasn’t it his perfect through ball from which Jebbison scored ? Not always short of awareness.
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A rare moment of quality, yes. Let’s hope the lad can build on that. In fairness, I think I’m more frustrated about our injuries upfront and as a consequence I’m being harsher on the younger lads.

But if both are going to make it, with us or anyone else, they need to protect the ball better and be stronger as a general observation.
 
We are at a scenario that Ball_Sup (Phil) often makes reference to.

Are we going to give these lads a pathway or are we going to just block up their progress by bringing in more senior players?

I think under Hecky you'd perhaps suggest he'd lean towards having that pathway open in those close calls.

Same with Arblaster. The easy thing to do would be to just bang him out on loan for a year and see how much he has improved in 12 months time. But maybe with 5 subs there is a genuine chance to develop him in house.

If we can somehow get him, and for that matter, Peck, to skip the whole on loan aspect and push for the first team then that would be a huge bonus. It isn't going to happen though if we just fill the squad with recruited players.

So far we haven't recruited for the sake of it. We've left plenty of room for Jebbison, Osula and Arblaster to be the ones to flesh out the squad.

Davis was an obvious capture and time training with the first team and sitting on the bench probably won't hurt Amissah short term.

Whilst 5 subs might favour more game changing moves like midfielders and forward, I'm not sure the same applied to the defence so I do think either Gordon goes out on loan closer to the window closing or he is the one who deputies for Bogle. Point being Anel was a needed senior signing. Likewise Gomis is not close and needs a loan and regular games so bringing Clark in also mad sense.

Outside of that we added Doyle. Still a chance Arblaster steps in with 3 midfield berths but Doyle was probably needed and has some relevant experience, creating more chances per 90 than anyone after he joined Cardiff. Coulibaly also means we have at least a few options in the engine room.

We don’t really have anyone like Khadra knocking on the door so him coming in will help the match day squad.

It will be interesting where all the U23s find themselves when the window closes.
 
'League One side Portsmouth have signed striker Dane Scarlett from Tottenham Hotspur on a season-long loan. In all he has netted 12 goals in 14 appearances for England Under-19s.'

Kept Jebbison out of the England side, thought might got a better move.
 

N'Diayewillalwaysloveyou said:
'League One side Portsmouth have signed striker Dane Scarlett from Tottenham Hotspur on a season-long loan. In all he has netted 12 goals in 14 appearances for England Under-19s.'

Kept Jebbison out of the England side, thought might got a better move.
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I think spurs like the league one root, Parrott last year for example
 
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