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[blade too long]

I think you need to read my post again.

you advocate loaning young ones out but some do better. with us occasionally

over the years our young lads to first team is as good as. any club in the country

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

you advocate loaning young ones out but some do better. with us occasionally

over the years our young lads to first team is as good as. any club in the country

They are the exception, and Metal in the post I replied to was talking about first teamers.
The coaches will have an idea earlier who is ready to drop in and out to test the water if they are that far ahead in their development, but as I said if you are having to throw them in then you're doing something wrong with recruitment.

Also Ndiaye was due to turn 22 during last season so isn't a great example against what I was proposing. His issue for me is that he hadn't played regularly due to the contract dispute and we saw that with his inability to finish a game until right at the end of the season. If he'd be loaned out the previous season, we may have had a lot more of him, and he may have been further along in his development.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

It's all a game of patience for the next month.

It's easy to get distracted when others seem active but it's a marathon not a sprint.

One of the best players I saw last season was the lad Reda Khadra when we played Blackburn.

Not really seen him linked with anyone. 5 goals and 4 assists in his first loan and he's only 20.

Imagine what he can do in a second loan.

But when will he become available? Brighton will probably take a look at him all summer, while they make sure they get replacements for Bissouma or consider internal options.

Even if you assume Sander leaves, this lad as a 10 with N'Diaye in front of him and just off Billy or Brewster would be great. I like Sander but it isn't a case of of he plays, we play. We don't depend on him.

You've got many Man City lads still available and whilst there is now an expectation that Kompany might be given a helping hand, Pep isn't daft. They aren't going to loan so much that they won't get games. Not going to send McAtee and Palmer to only compete with each other for example.

There's the Leeds lad, Crysencio Summerville, who is very close to their team that could be coming out.

Quite a few Man U players who will become available of an attacking midfield variety.

We'll do what suits us. If we think waiting for one of these, where to be honest, Mitchell seems to have good connections (perhaps more challenging when we were top level) is better than spending 4m on a signing that may or may not step up, then only will we know if this was a good idea as the season is underway.

It feels like things are moving or at least starting to. But we're in a queue. You jump forward and spend you money, you're out of what becomes available later. It's a gamble.

I'd just urge patience. Gibbs-White was last in and ended up being our talisman.

We'd already played 3 matches by the time Davies arrived. Hourihane didn't arrive until the day before the window and the legend that is Robin Olsen only turned up on the final day.

We'll pay wages when needed but we probably won't commit to too many longer term deals while we still have large commitments to settling Wilder's signings.

Khadra seems such an obvious one, will be disappointed if we're not interested

 

[Hull Blade]

I can't fathom this out!

 

[BigBed]

At the minute our starting 11 first day would probably look like this:

Foderingham
Basham - Egan - Robinson
Baldock - Berge - Norwood - Fleck - Stevens
Sharp - Ndiaye​

I'd imagine 5 of the 6 players Hecky is talking about to fill out the squad are replacements or new deals for:

1. Backup Keeper (A. Davies)​
2. Basham Competition & Egan Cover (Goode/Uremovic)​
3. Left-Sided Centre Half (B. Davies)​
4. Solid Centre Mid (Hourihane)​
5. Attacking Option (MGW/McGoldrick)​

Not sure what the last one is. I'd like another midfield option that can compete with/cover Norwood. Thought we were light there last year and it would free up Berge to always be in a more adventurous role (if he's still here).

By my reckoning that would give us this squad:

Foderingham
(1)

2 - Egan - 3
(Basham) - (Robinson)
(Gordon)

Bogle - Berge - Norwood - Fleck - Stevens
(Baldock) - (Coulibaly) - (6) - (4) - (RND)
(Osborn)

Brewster - Ndiaye
(Sharp) - (5)
(McBurnie)​

Remains to be seen how close we get to that or what we do to fill those roles but that looks about right to me.

With Bogle out, we have NO RWB cover.

 

[LewishamBlade]

With Bogle out, we have NO RWB cover.

We have Seriki or Bash. As long as Bogle isn’t out beyond October that’ll be fine. Hence the need for another centre half ASAP.

 

[BigBed]

We have Seriki or Bash. As long as Bogle isn’t out beyond October that’ll be fine. Hence the need for another centre half ASAP.

So why do we have to play Osborn at RWB when Bogle is injured, and who covers Bash??

 

[LewishamBlade]

So why do we have to play Osborn at RWB when Bogle is injured, and who covers Bash??

Because Seriki was on loan at the back end of last season, and the new centre half(s) covers Bash

 

[BushBlade]

They are the exception, and Metal in the post I replied to was talking about first teamers.
The coaches will have an idea earlier who is ready to drop in and out to test the water if they are that far ahead in their development, but as I said if you are having to throw them in then you're doing something wrong with recruitment.

Also Ndiaye was due to turn 22 during last season so isn't a great example against what I was proposing. His issue for me is that he hadn't played regularly due to the contract dispute and we saw that with his inability to finish a game until right at the end of the season. If he'd be loaned out the previous season, we may have had a lot more of him, and he may have been further along in his development.

Very, very few players will be playing top end Championship football in the first team by 20.
If you’re relying on your under 21s to shore up the first team then your recruitment is failing and it should be a huge warning klaxon that something is seriously wrong.
I’d much rather them be playing out on loan and if that means they’re ready for the sharp end of the championship week in week out at 22/23 then it’s a massive success story for our academy. That would be huge and a real game changer for us to have such a production line.
Our kids playing in the first team at 21 and under should be the exception rather than the rule.

That’s my take also. The coaches should have a reasonable idea which ones may make it so we put them on long contracts and loan them out. Those who did well in the conference should be loaned to L1 clubs if possible, or L2 clubs that will be in the promotion chase, the younger ones without experience to the conference or L2.
As you say, that should give us at least one or two, maybe more, who can step up next season if we’re still in the championship. And we should make sure they all have JTW recall clauses, particularly the young ones like Peck etc in case they develop very quickly and we can find them loans at a higher level. I think what we’ve done with Boyes is the right approach. If he does well at Forest Green, then he’ll be ready for us next season.

 

[Silent Blade]

So can people stop suggesting the likes of Gordon and Lopata are sufficient enough to supplement the back three. They aren’t.
Can people stop suggesting Peck, Arblaster, Brunt, Maguire etc. are sufficient enough to supplement the midfield. They aren’t.
Can people stop suggesting Jebbo, Osula and Hackford are sufficient enough to supplement the attack. They aren’t.

Who has been suggesting this?

 

[LewishamBlade]

Who has been suggesting this?

Multiple people son

 

[Silent Blade]

Multiple people son

Dont believe you