well that will cancel some trips to Qatar

[Bookers Mullet]

So who realistically would replace Southgate? Doesn't seem a great deal of choice

 

[coolasanidiot]

Kalvin Phillips touted at 60 million to City. On that performance alone you'd not pay 60K he was worse than useless.

I don't think the criticism is an over reaction- to lose like that to Hungary was appalling regardless of pointless competition/ end of season/ tired.

It was like watching us under Slav- total lack of ideas and boring.

 

[Gavlar]

Why are football fans who are English but don’t support England so quick to join threads and tell everyone so?
What has changed in the last 20 years that the England football team has nothing to do with the country? They’re all English?

Agreed, It’s akin to the bloody ‘I’m scouse not English’ bollocks I’ve been hearing recently.

 

[Gavlar]

So who realistically would replace Southgate? Doesn't seem a great deal of choice

Warnock

 

[Inter_blade83]

England V Iran tickets available, inbox me... lol

Only joking

 

[ATL Recs]

Some classic overreaction here. Who cares about that really? They shouldn't be playing these games after the season finished. Nobody wanted to be playing. But regardless might be a good motivator before the souless world cup.

What bollocks all the opposition are in the same boat and they showed they wanted to play

 

[ATL Recs]

Kalvin Phillips touted at 60 million to City. On that performance alone you'd not pay 60K he was worse than useless.

I don't think the criticism is an over reaction- to lose like that to Hungary was appalling regardless of pointless competition/ end of season/ tired.

It was like watching us under Slav- total lack of ideas and boring.

This shite performance was on the same levels as the previous three tbh

 

[Whiston Blade]

Why are football fans who are English but don’t support England so quick to join threads and tell everyone so?

Because we can.

 

[pommpey]

Why are football fans who are English but don’t support England so quick to join threads and tell everyone so?
What has changed in the last 20 years that the England football team has nothing to do with the country? They’re all English?

Part of the wholesome rejection of national identity, innit? It feels great and self-validates to live within a border and enjoy the freedoms and virtues therein but denounce any benign collective notion you belong to that culture or creed. It's like calling patriots 'flag shaggers'. What the fuck does that mean?

On balance, there is nothing the England football team has done to merit such censure - they've played well and played poorly, like Sheffield United. They striven to achieve and failed, like Sheffield United. All of them represent the team they wear the kit for, like Sheffield United. Not good enough for some, and they are proud of that.

Be interesting to see what country these people feel stands for what they believe in.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

Because we can.

... and you're NOT MY DAD!

* runs upstairs, slams door and puts Slipknot on *

pommpey

 

[DaveBassettsgoneonholiday]

What bollocks all the opposition are in the same boat and they showed they wanted to play

If it weren't for having to play the World Cup in December because of the heat in Qatar we'd already be playing in it now at the end of the same long tiring season.

 

[1973Blade]

A pointless tournament when the players should be resting. Let's see how Southgate and England do in Qatar.

 

[pommpey]

If it weren't for having to play the World Cup in December because of the heat in Qatar we'd already be playing in it now at the end of the same long tiring season.

With about 80% more focus and effort

pommpey

 

[Bashamed]

Southgate and Wilder are the joint worst managers I've ever seen.

 

[gordoncharles]

Part of the wholesome rejection of national identity, innit? It feels great and self-validates to live within a border and enjoy the freedoms and virtues therein but denounce any benign collective notion you belong to that culture or creed. It's like calling patriots 'flag shaggers'. What the fuck does that mean?

On balance, there is nothing the England football team has done to merit such censure - they've played well and played poorly, like Sheffield United. They striven to achieve and failed, like Sheffield United. All of them represent the team they wear the kit for, like Sheffield United. Not good enough for some, and they are proud of that.

Be interesting to see what country these people feel stands for what they believe in.

pommpey

I live in Spain and have done for a while, yet I still feel British - specifically, English - and all my familial ties are there. I do my best to assimilate into the culture of the place where I now live, but I remain British and I'm thankful that I have British citizenship.

At the risk of self-indulgent navel-gazing I've wondered why I have had zero feeling for the England football team for over a decade? There was a time I was as emotionally invested in it as most people but that's withered away to nothingness. I still like to see the England cricket team win, so what's different about football? I genuinely don't know.

I can't stand international football anyway. It's generally lacking in meaningful competition (something I imagine the Nations League was supposed to address) and interrupts domestic calendars unnecessarily for routine kick-ins against Andorra or San Marino, both of the Imperial Sunday League. Not one international side would win any of the major European leagues if it was an actual club side, so it's no longer the pinnacle of football achievement it might have been in the 1970s. I saw that Wales are in the top set of Nations League sides yet their team looks like something from the Championship being captained by an ex-pro.

We've even got twice as many European nations now just to water it down further thanks to the USSR, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Romania and Albania. But even that's not it, because people still get excited by it all, it's just that I don't, even though I used to when the football was pretty much equally dull and it was Emlyn Hughes fannying around at the back.

Although the success of any national sports team can give a nation something to get behind, something that unites everyone despite the many other things that divide us, why can't I care less about Team England? In fact, why on some occasions, like seeing last night's result, do I allow myself a wry smile from their abject failure? Something happened, but buggered if I know what it is. All answers, droll or abusive, will be considered, it's cheaper than therapy.

 

[SwissBlade]

Didn't watch it. Can't see what the fuss is to be honest. Nations League? Irrelevant competition IMHO

pommpey

Isn’t it just a tournament to replace friendlies and make them more competitive

 

[Cheesebored]

Correct !
Esp on the second point...
Phillips, Mount,Rice should be nowhere near the England team ...

Phillips was poor, Mount played 20 minutes and Rice wasn't involved. Does anyone actually believe the line ups for the Nations league will mirror the line up for any World Cup games? Our best 11 still gives the top teams a game. Sterling's the one that worries me in an England shirt, his form's fallen off a cliff.

 

[DaveBassettsgoneonholiday]

With about 80% more focus and effort

pommpey

I'm not a fan of Southgate but if he came out and said (which I fully understand why he can't) that we couldn't be that arsed as these Nations League games are just glorified friendlies in all but name then he'd go up in my estimation.

 

[jt64]

A pointless tournament when the players should be resting. Let's see how Southgate and England do in Qatar.

If it wasn't in Qatar, the players would be having their first WC match after a couple of warm up friendlies, so they wouldn't be resting anyway

Isn’t it just a tournament to replace friendlies and make them more competitive

Basically yes. If there wasn't the Nations League we'd just be playing friendlies against Canada or Saudi Arabia or any of the teams we played anyway. I don't recall anyone complaining about the tournament when were doing well in it

 

[BarcaBlade]

I live in Spain and have done for a while, yet I still feel British - specifically, English - and all my familial ties are there. I do my best to assimilate into the culture of the place where I now live, but I remain British and I'm thankful that I have British citizenship.

At the risk of self-indulgent navel-gazing I've wondered why I have had zero feeling for the England football team for over a decade? There was a time I was as emotionally invested in it as most people but that's withered away to nothingness. I still like to see the England cricket team win, so what's different about football? I genuinely don't know.

I can't stand international football anyway. It's generally lacking in meaningful competition (something I imagine the Nations League was supposed to address) and interrupts domestic calendars unnecessarily for routine kick-ins against Andorra or San Marino, both of the Imperial Sunday League. Not one international side would win any of the major European leagues if it was an actual club side, so it's no longer the pinnacle of football achievement it might have been in the 1970s. I saw that Wales are in the top set of Nations League sides yet their team looks like something from the Championship being captained by an ex-pro.

We've even got twice as many European nations now just to water it down further thanks to the USSR, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Romania and Albania. But even that's not it, because people still get excited by it all, it's just that I don't, even though I used to when the football was pretty much equally dull and it was Emlyn Hughes fannying around at the back.

Although the success of any national sports team can give a nation something to get behind, something that unites everyone despite the many other things that divide us, why can't I care less about Team England? In fact, why on some occasions, like seeing last night's result, do I allow myself a wry smile from their abject failure? Something happened, but buggered if I know what it is. All answers, droll or abusive, will be considered, it's cheaper than therapy.

It may be that with age, we recognise that the fluke of being born in a particular place isn't as strong a motivation to support that nation's team as the choice we made in 'choosing' our club. As a dual national, I find I don't really care about either national team as much as my club team in each country. If they (ever) do well, I'll enjoy the good times I imagine.

From comments further up the page (and definitely not directed at gordoncharles), perhaps some who no longer feel represented by the national team are troubled by the 'politics' around it; that there are many black players, that they take the knee, that the manager is diplomatic and speaks out against discrimination, that it was good to see them beaten, particularly by Hungary (which I struggle to find any other way to interpret than an allusion to the country's own difficulty in accepting society is overtly racist and without any consciousness that there might be something wrong with that).

To caveat, I know and accept that not all Hungarians are racist, but it's also clear that a racist would find many kindred souls in supporting Hungary.

PC wanker
BarcaBlade

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Nice final sentence in the OP, just to try and scrape this onto GBC

 

[SwissBlade]

If it wasn't in Qatar, the players would be having their first WC match after a couple of warm up friendlies, so they wouldn't be resting anyway



Basically yes. If there wasn't the Nations League we'd just be playing friendlies against Canada or Saudi Arabia or any of the teams we played anyway. I don't recall anyone complaining about the tournament when were doing well in it

I don’t know how we’ve done in it previously, I haven’t watched any of the games but it’s always seemed a bizarre tournament.

 

[Tarqs]

Phillips was poor, Mount played 20 minutes and Rice wasn't involved. Does anyone actually believe the line ups for the Nations league will mirror the line up for any World Cup games? Our best 11 still gives the top teams a game. Sterling's the one that worries me in an England shirt, his form's fallen off a cliff.

Sterling hasnt played well for 3 years. He was allegedly our best player last euros cos he scored 2 tap ins in group stage.

The lad couldn't fi nish his dinner, all his goals are scraps in the 6 yard box and he even manages to miss plenty of those.

 

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

Southgate and Wilder are the joint worst managers I've ever seen.

The most successful England manager for half a century

 

[jt64]

I don’t know how we’ve done in it previously, I haven’t watched any of the games but it’s always seemed a bizarre tournament.

Well we got to the final stages of the first one. Serves multiple purposes - reduces pointless friendlies, gives lower ranked teams more competitive games against each other, and allows for backdoor routes into the Euros. Scotland made the last Euros primarily based on what they'd done in the Nations League.

 

[gordoncharles]

The most successful England manager for half a century

There is some good fortune involved, perhaps we could get Roberto di Mateo to explain?

I mean, how many people seriously think that Southgate is actually a better manager than Mercer, Revie, Greenwood, Robson, Taylor, Venables, Hoddle, Keegan, Ericsson or Capello?

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I'm virtue signalling. Under the banner - An England Fan Writes.

Final game of the European Season for us. Here's my Molineux Blog. What d'ya reckon?

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ball-sup.blogspot.com

 

[programmechap]

If we're talking about 3 Lions ex Blades, Walker had a nightmare and Maguire came on in time to be blamed for Hungary's fourth.

I'm lucky in being old enough to remember us having players in the England side when they were still at Bramall Lane. I wonder how long it'll be before that happens again.

Its 30 years now since a United player played for England, Deano coming on for the last ten mins in a friendly v Spain for his third and last cap.

Only six other United players have played for England post WW2. Hagan, Grainger, Hodgkinson, Graham Shaw, Mick Jones and TC. None got more than 7 caps (TC)

 

[Badger Blade]

Sterling hasnt played well for 3 years. He was allegedly our best player last euros cos he scored 2 tap ins in group stage.

The lad couldn't fi nish his dinner, all his goals are scraps in the 6 yard box and he even manages to miss plenty of those.

McBurnie strikes a better ball than Sterling and that's saying something. At no point can I recall a Raheem Sterling 30 yard screamer.

Other than Kane, all of these England players are simply very well paid also-rans at their clubs who could be binned off in a heartbeat and would be easily replaced. All can make very good livings and are set up for life despite being, in Premier League footballing terms, fairly average in the main.

 

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

There is some good fortune involved, perhaps we could get Roberto di Mateo to explain?

I mean, how many people seriously think that Southgate is actually a better manager than Mercer, Revie, Greenwood, Robson, Taylor, Venables, Hoddle, Keegan, Ericsson or Capello?

Well unlike any of them, He's took England to a major tournament final, AND a major tournament semi.