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The Blades FA Cup adventure is over for another season as they could not win their 4th consecutive home tie at Bramall Lane as Birmingham City advanced to the 5th round. Better opposition and a poor performance from United saw a comfortable away victory for the in form Blues who advanced thanks to goals from Nathan Redmond, Wade Elliott and Adam Rooney at the double. United did begin the game well but struggled to create much and after Birmingham scored from a set play the verdict was never in doubt. When the second goal went in, the home side’s heads dropped and despite a brief flurry at the beginning of the second half; they could not get back in the game. The visitors scored two excellent goals towards the end of the game as the Blades found themselves on the wrong end of a hammering.

United began the game with an unchanged line up for the fourth successive game and started the game well with an early spell of possession in the Birmingham half. McDonald has a shot blocked before Quinn was crowded out as United looked to continue their excellent football of recent weeks. They had their first effort on goal of significance when Doyle saved from Evans before Birmingham came out and had a chance of their own as Francois errored letting Spector in who skewed wide at the near post.

United had been the better side but from a corner from Burke they took the lead. The ball was hit across low and REDMOND got across his defender to fire a firm finish under Simonsen. It was a good finish but really sloppy defending. The dangerous Redmond then cut in and fired wide as United began to look stretched as Birmingham started to get hold of midfield.

United did have an effort on goal after Cresswell was felled but Doyle saved Evans free kick and dived on the loose ball after he failed to gather initially. Birmingham were now looking to get Burke in at every opportunity and he skipped away from Francois twice in quick succession before balls were cleared. Elliott then fed Burke who again got down the right hand side and his low cross was superbly finished at the near post by ROONEY who got in front of his man to turn home high into Simonsen’s left hand corner.

This was a real blow to United and put the Blues firmly in control and after this they completely controlled proceedings up to half time winning the loose balls in midfield and in turn getting the ball wide and looking to get at the United defence. Burke who had been the stand out player then cut in and fired just wide with Simonsen groping at thin air. The game was now looking as if it would get away from United and they were probably glad to get to half time before more damage could be done.

The second half began with United having a real go and in the ascendancy which was a repeat of the first half. They had a chance when Quinn played a lovely ball across the box but Cresswell strangely waited and when he did move onto the ball he was too late and the cross evaded him. How United did not score soon after is a mystery as the ball pinballed around the area and somehow stayed out. A nice ball from McDonald saw Williamson in but his firm shot hit the body of Doyle and came out. From the rebound Lowton hit a shot that hit the angle of post and bar and came out before the ball was cleared. It was a crucial moment and after this the belief seemed to disappear from United somewhat. Birmingham came out and had another effort with Burke’s cross being turned behind and then Redmond’s trickery almost led to a third. A mistake by Lowton giving the ball away saw the Blues break soon after and ELLIOTT the scourge of United in the play off final 3 years ago, took the ball on, advanced beyond Maguire and hit a sweet shot beyond Simonsen to effectively seal the game.

Francois’s miserable afternoon was brought to a premature end by manager Wilson as Williams replaced him before the ineffective Cresswell and Quinn were also taken off for Flynn and Porter. The game now was up and many fans had seen enough streaming out of the Lane as the fourth goal went in. This was the best goal of the game and although United’s inability to get a tackle/foot in was inexcusable; this did not take away the quality of the football in the lead up to the goal. Several passes and touches led to Murphy advancing down the left and played in a cross that was flicked delightfully past Simonsen in to the far corner by ROONEY.

United were now well beaten and looked a sorry crew as the Ole’s rang out from the Birmingham fans as they too made changes towards the end of the game. Late bookings from former teammates McDonald and Elliott seemed avoidable before Birmingham saw out the game very comfortably.

United – Maybe it was not quite a 4-0 and the scoreline flattered them a little but we were well beaten I felt. Sure we had a decent spell for first 5-10 minutes and same in the second half for the same amount of time and had 1 or 2 decent efforts on goal. If we had gone ahead or maybe made it 1-2 then maybe it could have been different but we said that so many times last year. Teams are generally much more clinical and effective at both end and that proved this afternoon. That is what we would be up against a lot of the time at a higher level and we created maybe 3 or 4 chances all game and only had maybe 2-3 decent efforts on goal all game. More than this though our general play was slow, plodding and we looked a bit clueless. They often waited till we ran out of ideas, picked us off and then attacked us on the break with numbers and pace.

Today was probably a huge wake up call for many of the players and supporters. It was a chance to see if we were much better than the team that struggled so badly in the division above and if the players could actually compete at such a level. Sadly, the answer is probably not as many of the players who fared so badly last season fared equally badly today. Birmingham are a decent side but there are probably 6-10 sides as good at their level and they beat us easily. Yes, they may only have had 7 or 8 shots but they clinical finishing and the ease they saw off most of our attacks showed how far we are off. If we somehow did get promotion then we would play teams like that every other week and we were nowhere near them in terms of fitness, ability and speed today. It really was startling how much better they were than us and did shock me. They were sharper to the ball, quicker, more athletic and just better footballers. We were a long way off them and they probably did not have their strongest team. We did not win the first or second balls much of the game and if we lose the fight/battle then we were always going to struggle as better players would expose us. We had no control of the midfield outside of the early stages of the game and I felt we looked stretched all over the game.

Many of the players we have lauded this season such as Collins, Doyle and Francois were poor and those who seem to think they could play at a higher level such as Quinn, Williamson and Evans were simply not good enough (as they were not much of last season) and probably have secured another half a season at the third tier of the football pyramid as any watching scouts would have been completely put off. The only three players that came out of the game with any credit was probably McDonald for a smattering of decent football and maybe Lowton and Maguire who did well in patches.

I know there is a lot of could of been different type moments about today but I was really disappointed with us today. I wanted us to really have a go and even if we went behind show some resolution and compete but we kind of folded like a pack of cards and we were well beaten in the end. There was little fight and we kind of just accepted we were not as good at them and just limped to a pretty routine defeat. Where was the pride and leadership? It all looked a bit rudderless as the game came to an end. Today showed where we are; a team probably not good enough for the league above and struggling to get out of the one below. If we went up we would meet teams like this most weeks and it shows that if we did get up we would have to make major changes to the side or would struggle again; as the players once again proved they could not handle better players/teams.

We have now lost 3 in 6 and need to really to get back into form and quickly. Next Saturday is crucial and a must win for me as we have some really tough games to come but obviously we have the obstacle of the transfer window to come before that. On today’s evidence not many clubs will be queuing up for our players but then you never know; knowing United we will somehow contrive to lose a few of our better players and bring no one in to replace them.

Birmingham –They won the game at a canter. They looked a side full of confidence and were comfortable on the ball and looked like they would create things whenever they went forward. They handled us all too easily. They only had maybe 3 or 4 other efforts (wide or over) on goal but they were ruthless in front of goal and their finishing in the final third was a cut above. They never looked in danger at the other end save for a brief spell at the start of the game and the start of the second half. If Lowton had scored then maybe it had been a different game at 1-2 but it did not go in and I felt our threat just faded after that.

Impressed with the two centre backs who were a better quality of Collins and Maguire – not very fast, but big strong and organised and they coped with Evans and Cresswell easily. Redmond and Rooney showed good movement and excellent finishing and the midfield three of Gomis, Mutch and Elliott ran the game for me. Gomis was very good and looked so composed and very strong too. Their weak link was the keeper who could not catch the ball and we should have made him pay for several drops. Of course they have players like King, Zikic etc that they can play too. I think they will make the playoffs and then it really is a lottery but they have games in hand and may still fancy an automatic spot. They looked confident and assured today but we really did not give them much of a game.

Simonsen 5.5/10 – Did not have many saves to make and the goals hit past him were clinically taken but the fact that 4 shots went at him and all 4 went in is a bit disappointing. On one hand you expect him to maybe have saved one of them (first went straight through him, second went in at the near post) but on the other he was woefully exposed. Once again like last season better finishing and strikers manage to score past him very easily but then that comment goes for the whole defence. His kicking was also awful and he sliced several out.

Lowton 6.5/10 – He was one of our better players and at least looked composed in possession and tried to keep the ball. However, he also was guilty of overplaying at times (probably frustrated with rest of his teammates) and when he tried to make things happen sometimes lost it or got in the wrong position by advancing forward. I felt he was the guilty person on the third goal when his error led to the break and the goal. Think he could comfortably handle the step up to the higher level though.

Francois 3/10 – Wretched performance. Led a merry dance by Burke all afternoon. From minute one he looked at full stretch and was beaten at least 6 or 7 times for pace and skill. Birmingham clearly recognised him as a weakness and went at him. He really had a nightmare with his touch, passing off but more than this the biggest fault was his complete inability to close off the winger or drop crosses/shots coming in from his area. Taken off in the second half but in truth it should have been much earlier. The only slight defence is he was given no protection whatsoever from Quinn and the rest in front of him

Maguire 6.5/10 – Did ok much of the game and at least attacked the ball and competed unlike many of the rest of his teammates. He began the game well and won headers/blocks and tackles and was ok on the ball. However as the game got stretched he too started to have a period where he struggled and his lack of pace/footwork began to be exposed and on the third when he backed off and backed off, he failed to affect a challenge as Elliott scored way too easily. After this he made a few mistakes and started to get sucked into the general malaise of the rest of the performance.

Collins 5/10 – Thought he was poor and maybe his worst game of the season against much better opposition. Sadly he would play forward like this and even better at this level every week and today he struggled as badly as he did last season. Thought he was slow to react on a couple of goals to balls into his man/general vicinity and he looked slow and ponderous as quicker and more mobile forwards darted in and around him. I do fear if we got promoted he would be like this most weeks as he is certainly a player that looks fine against league one opponents most weeks but is probably not good enough against the speed/better ability of players above.

Doyle 5/10 – Like Collins had a decent season but today he looked like the Doyle of last season rather than this year. Again he was playing much better players and the speed and fitness of such opponents meant the game often passed him by. When he did have the ball he gave it away when pressurised and his passing and touch was very sloppy at times.

McDonald 7/10 – He looked our best midfielder (and probably best player) and did a few really nice things by making space, creating a yard and finding a shirt. Sadly, they had 8 or 9 players who could do the same but to us he was a standout! He too struggled with fitness, tenacity and athleticism of their midfield and often we gave the ball away for long periods in this area. When he got the ball he did ok and showed his usual array of passing and did not give it away much and was one of few players that showed some adventure. However, often we did not have possession and thus he was forced to defend or chase and his lack of fitness/pace sadly came to the fore in the second half. For long spell of the first half and then the later stages of the second we got completely overran in this area of the field.

Quinn 5/10 – Another poor performance. I can almost cope with his wasteful passing and inability to go forward and go at men (why is he always turning back inside and losing momentum when we attack?) but his complete lack of understanding defensively is beyond irritating. He could see Francois was struggling with Burke and others but he made no attempt whatsoever to help stem the threat down this side and often made it worse by losing his full back meaning we had 2 men coming at us down this side. He made a few flicks, nice balls (one across box too Cresswell should have been converted) and was not awful but overall he is not doing enough and is simply coasting through games. He may think he can play at a higher level but most weeks he is struggling to stand out at League One level at the moment and I honestly cannot see any teams coming in for him.

Williamson 5/10 – A bit of a non performance. He was involved in some of our better attacks in the first 5 mins of the first and second half but in between these times he did very little, his passing and crossing was poor and he often made stupid fouls or wrong decisions when he had the ball. Did not get back and help Lowton in the second half when they attacked down this side and another player who at times has gone through the motions. If he thinks he is better than us then today was a golden chance to prove it a few days before the window, but like Quinn and one or two others he blew it.

Evans 5/10 – Not his day and sadly in the least 2 or 3 games his performance levels have dropped off. He had little to no service but other than a free kick at Doyle and a few chases down channels he had little impact all game and his control, hold up play and work ethic also was not at levels he has been. Looked more like the player from last season then this year against better centre backs such as Curtis Davies.

Cresswell 5/10 – Really poor. Against a so called slow centre back in Caldwell; he actually made him look fast! He huffed and puffed but was unable to really do anything other than look helplessly for free kicks (goes to the ground way too easily) and looks shattered only 20 mins into the game. Should have scored when a ball came across the box in the early stages of the second half. Looks a player that does ok against your Bury’s and Yeovil’s but against the better teams he does not have pace, strength and stamina to impact games anymore and really is your pen pic of a lower league journeyman striker.

Subs

Williams – Replaced the dire Francois but when he came on he did not cover himself in glory with a few wild hacks at the ball and positional mistakes. It is not as if he has covered himself in glory when he has played to demand being a starter but by default after Francois’ display will probably be restored next week.

Flynn – Came on but did very little as the game was over. Dithered over putting a few crosses in and ultimately lost the opportunity.

Porter – As above. Game was over by time he was on. He had one chance when put through by McDonald but was offside.

Officials – Thought the ref was quite poor and was inconsistent. He let a lot go early on and then it was strange when he booked McDonald near the end and then had to book a Birmingham player for an equally innocuous challenge soon after as the crowd reacted. It was a nothing game and was quite one sided but the Lee Mason was still infuriating at times and you never knew quite what he would do; sometimes letting play go when tackles were flying in and then at others stopping things for very little.

Crowd/Atmosphere – Excellent support from Birmingham who brought around 4,000 fans+. Untied fans don’t seem to bother much about the Cup anymore and it was no surprise not many came; I was surprised we got the crowd we did (just over 18,000). The atmosphere was awful and although United were 2-0 down at half time; even before this it had been embarrassingly quiet it had been around the ground with the Brum fans completely outshouting us. I heard a few on the way out saying it was the worst home support they had ever seen (in terms of noise/encouragement) and they had a point. The performance and the ease with which we got beat did not help but it really was a dire environment today and the away fans were the only ones making noise/interested.
 



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Think u were a bit kind on the ref mate, he was appalling, but that said we were dire. Too many sideways passes a complete lack of creative play and the goals first two goals were defensive howlers, quinn was awful and strayed out of position all the time. The only positive i could draw from the game was young matty lowton! I really hope to see him at the lane for seasons to come but i can see another Walker/Naughton situation. cheers for the report deadbat!
 
All the officials were shite. Did Simmo actually make a save? Knew it wasnt our day when we hit the bar/post at the start of the second half
 
The performance and the ease with which we got beat did not help but it really was a dire environment today and the away fans were the only ones making noise/interested.

Today got me thinking. It's time we did something with the seating on the kop - an unrestricted, central (not off 100 meters to the left) singing area. There are pockets of fans trying to get things going, but being split up they often cancel each oterh out. The atmosphere is really rubbish of late.

UTB
 
You know what, I don't think we were that bad today. Certainly not 4-0 bad, but once Brum gained their momentum, they showed their class and we couldn't live with them. No one played that bad today despite some opinions, even LJF was, in my opinion, reasonable against an excellent tricky bloke in Chris Burke.
My opinion of Quinn differs from DB's assertion that he didn't help LJF at all and was poor, to me he tracked back, helped out defensively and played reasonably well. However is doesn't matter what me or DB thinks of the performances, it's Danny Wilson's call on what is required to restore any lost confidence. As it stands I think we can go to Colchester and bounce back.
Whether we can go on and clinch auto promotion is another thing - dependent on the state of play after next Tuesday and whether we can do the business in the 'big' games to come this season. That I'm not too sure of and I think we will have to settle for a play off place - I sincerely hope I'm wrong.
 
I'm usually a big fan of your reports DB but I think this weeks is overly harsh. I think more than anything we need to take a step back and use it as a learning curve. It's obvious what we need to strengthen in areas.

Difference was in the finishing. They were class in the final third.
 
"Today showed where we are; a team probably not good enough for the league above and struggling to get out of the one below. If we went up we would meet teams like this most weeks and it shows that if we did get up we would have to make major changes to the side or would struggle again; as the players once again proved they could not handle better players/teams"

This is what I have been saying all season and I'm finally glad someone on this board (who is respected) finally agreeing with me. Since we got relegated last season nothing has changed. Yes we may have some of the high earners of the wage bill but apart from that, we just don't have the players who would keep us up in the championship. We can't even beat the best teams in our league yet there are people on here who think everything is rosy. I honestly think it would be best to stay in league 1 for another season, continue to get rid of the deadwood / remaining high earners and build a team who is going to stay in the championship and not be team who is yo-yoing up and down or is fighting for their life every season.
 
This is what I have been saying all season and I'm finally glad someone on this board (who is respected) finally agreeing with me. Since we got relegated last season nothing has changed. Yes we may have some of the high earners of the wage bill but apart from that, we just don't have the players who would keep us up in the championship. We can't even beat the best teams in our league yet there are people on here who think everything is rosy. I honestly think it would be best to stay in league 1 for another season, continue to get rid of the deadwood / remaining high earners and build a team who is going to stay in the championship and not be team who is yo-yoing up and down or is fighting for their life every season.


Proof that I am disrespected then! ;-) http://www.s24su.com/forum/showthread.php?25376-Long-term-planning&highlight=

There are many roads that lead to Rome though, and hopefully we'll go up and gradually improve the squad. For now though, there's no doubt for me that we've gone for the bouncing back approach, rather than planning long term. Our form this season has been quite good, but our record against the top teams in the division, coupled with today's defeat must leave us wondering how much better we are (and will be next season) compared to last season's team.
 
Thanks for the report Deadbat. From several sources it seemed the result was a bit harsh. You are particularly critical of United, but I think that is your style: Harsh, but fair.

This is the second week in a row that our strike force (and our attacking midefielders) has come up against a good defence. We've not had a look in. At Charlton Evans and Cresswell did not get a sniff. They looked isolated, slow and lacking movement. Against Bury the week before they had the time and space to create things. Appears this is not there against the better teams and we struggle. Against Colchester we will get more chances and it is up to us to take them.

Next week is suddenly a big test now. It should have been a straight forward looking win. Now it is looking like a big test. 2 losses in a row and in both games we've not scored and and the usual solid defence is leaking. I think if we get back to basics then we will continue to pick up results against the poor teams. However, I am a little concerned about our performances against the bigger teams. That's Charlton, Huddersfield and Birmingham that have come to the Lane and easily beat us. Add to that a loss away at Charlton. We have not scored a single goal in all those games and conceded 10! Will the players seriously think they can go to Huddersfield (and even the Sty) and get a result? I am certainly expecting little.

It's funny that we have run riot against the likes of Bury, Yeovil, Exeter and Colchester. Yet we've looked naff in the final third against the top teams. I think back to a few games this season when we've struggled to break teams down (Tranmere, Stevenage, Charlton) and when they are well organised we struggle. A well organised defensive unit, that gives out strikers little time and space will do ok against us. I think the problem is that we don't have a plan B. Certain teams have worked out how to play against us (give us little time in the final third, tight on Ched and Cressy, win the midfield battle etc) and then we don;t have anything to come back with. When the slick passing does not worse, then we're stuffed. Our lack of pace and something different is evident. Most of the time the passing seems to work and we roll teams over. However our options on the bench are pathetic. Our first team is a decent outfit, but who do we bring on when it is not working? Williams, Porter, Flynn or (a passed it BT). Hardly going to turn a game.

I'll be at Colchester next week, so I'll report back. Fully expect us to bounce back. And let's be honest, if we are going to push for automatic then we need to win. To look on the bright side Wednesday have another game to play (and maybe another after that) and Huddersfield dropped points. We're still right in the mixer. Personally I don't give a flying cuk if we go up with this team. I'd sooner Wilson have a chance to rebuild in the Championship than League One. The 'deadwood' will be off anyway. Why not see Cressy, Simmo, Quinn, Monty, Ertl etc leave the club in the second division? After saying all this my gut feeling is that we'll fall short just short and end up in the play offs .... and then get beat by Stevenage :eek:
 
You know what, I don't think we were that bad today. Certainly not 4-0 bad, but once Brum gained their momentum, they showed their class and we couldn't live with them. No one played that bad today despite some opinions, even LJF was, in my opinion, reasonable against an excellent tricky bloke in Chris Burke.
My opinion of Quinn differs from DB's assertion that he didn't help LJF at all and was poor, to me he tracked back, helped out defensively and played reasonably well. However is doesn't matter what me or DB thinks of the performances, it's Danny Wilson's call on what is required to restore any lost confidence. As it stands I think we can go to Colchester and bounce back.
Whether we can go on and clinch auto promotion is another thing - dependent on the state of play after next Tuesday and whether we can do the business in the 'big' games to come this season. That I'm not too sure of and I think we will have to settle for a play off place - I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

I enjoy and value the reports which deadbat provides but i have to agree with you LSF; i thought the better team won but the scoreline flattered them immensely. I also thought Quinn had a decent game, fair enough there were times when things didn't come off for him but he never hid and played a key part in the creation of at least two good chances which i can remember.

I did feel that we looked weak defensively and this is the area where i would like to see us strengthen but there is an argument to say that the boys we currently have in there are capable of doing the business in league 1. Maybe this is a problem which can be addressed if we are promoted.

One thing i won't disagree with is the comments about the lack of any real atmosphere, from the home fans at least. It was very quiet throughout, it would seem that so much disappointment amongst the fans over recent years has really taken it's toll.
 
I'd love to see some kind of unrestricted seating for blades on the Bramall lane upper. It's got great acoustics but the times I've been up there (great view too) its been a mix of people who look funny at anyone trying to sing or it's empty. Imagine the upper singing and spurring the kop on like John st west used to do. I don't think being over the away fans is an issue. Cordon the front few rows off if there is a worry.

There is definitely an apathy with the cup in the last few years. It's a shame, the club have done well on pricing but I wonder how well it is communicated to the floaters. If I wasn't a season ticket holder I wouldn't have a clue about pricing or even when there is a game on half the time. Even a simple board outside the ground on Bramall lane would help, enough traffic goes down there every day.
 
I'd also welcome any move back to a more spontaneous support in the ground. When I'm on my own I stand at the back of the kop with like minded fans, the atmosphere is much better. I wanted to scream yesterday at the whole bloody organisation. The dj milks his moment in the sun for as long as he can, yesterday he was still talking at kick off which was a little embarassing. It's so contrived and regulated, an adult dressed as Captain Blade, kids waving flags, music after a goal is scored, he doesn't hang about to see if it's offside or not just presses the button, looks a right pillock when he has to cut it short. Having a standing area on the kop for those who want it would re-energise the atmosphere. I know I'm an old throwback but surely I'm not on my own in finding the matchday experience banal and patronising.
 



Proof that I am disrespected then! ;-) http://www.s24su.com/forum/showthread.php?25376-Long-term-planning&highlight=

There are many roads that lead to Rome though, and hopefully we'll go up and gradually improve the squad. For now though, there's no doubt for me that we've gone for the bouncing back approach, rather than planning long term. Our form this season has been quite good, but our record against the top teams in the division, coupled with today's defeat must leave us wondering how much better we are (and will be next season) compared to last season's team.

We are a fairly big club in Championship terms never mind L1 and we should be able to restructure, long term plan or whatever we want to call it in the second tier. But, the shambolic squad building and signings from Blackwell, coupled with the pathetic spell from alehouse have meant that somehow our beloved club can at best dream of finishing 4th bottom in next season's championship.
 
LJF is a liability. I stated earlier in the season that Williams is a better player, and another poor performance by LJF just cements my observation. The guy, regardless of some of the comments of how good he is, is NOT a good defender. If he stuck to the basics he might have half a chance, but he doesn't. He seems to think he's actually better than he is and makes some stupid decisions. I just see a guy that is over confident of his abilities when I watch him. I also think that if DW picks Williams, we might get more out of Quinny.
 
i wouldn't agree that collins and doyle were worth a 5/10 i think today and the past few games have highlighted there averageness more so for doyle. collins has improved and i can see him improving nearly every time i see him he just needs some improvements here and there and hell be fine but Doyle in my opinion is non existent throughout alll the games ive seen i never see him do anything worth praising and cant compete against decent opposition like the top 4 just gets put on his ass by better players, he is also a terrible captain and cant lead a side he never speaks or gets the lads going he just lets collins do the captaining in defence and leaves it there and i blame him for how uncontrollable our team was at Charlton he just stood back and said nothing has no control not a captain at all. in the next few weeks we have the pigs and udders he must not be the man leading the team out or we will be overpowered by better leadership and better midfielders. in my opinion if no one comes in for monty get him back in the side
 
Just in answer to those who say I was harsh.

I have said 4-0 flattered them and it was more a say 1-3 or 0-2 game but the reality is football is about scoring goals and stopping them. We could do neither last year and against the top sides this year and a better opponent today we could not do these two necessities again. It is ok saying they only had 4 shots on target (many seem to forget they had 3 or 4 other good efforts just wide - mainly first half) but that is clinical and what we would be up against if we did go up. In general play we did ok but in the last third at either end separates the good sides and the ordinary ones. Today says we need to strengthen in all areas as every department was second best. Their attackers won battle against our defenders (4 goals proves this); their defence won the battle against our strikers (0goals proves this) and their midfield controlled things most of the game. So if they won the 3 departments of the field not sure how we can say we were any kind of match for them.

We have played some nice pretty football and have beaten some of the poorer teams but as others have alluded we have really struggle din the main to break down teams who are better and organised (seems same at Charlton last week and was same against Hudds and Charlton earlier in the season). We lack pace and outside of McDonald and Lowton (Quinn occasionally) have no real creativity at all. The team is hopelessly slow and teams go through us and break on us very easily. The third goal was something you see on a Sunday morning and the 4th was a training round goal. The players should have shown more pride; maybe even whacked someone but they just seems to give up. Apart from ability we lacked leadership too.

One thing I did not mention was how much fitter the opponents looked. You could see this when we played Salisbury the other way but you expect that but today Birmingham were so much fitter it was eye popping.

A lot of worrying signs for me yesterday. We can smash sides like Bury, Hartlepool etc all we want but if want to go up we need to get something at Wednesday, Huddersfield etc and previous results against these sides and Charlton do not fill me with any confidence.

We are improved from last year and it is much better to watch but the collective and individual improvements are as much about the dross we play most weeks and the lower level rather than any massive resurgence. Wilson has done a decent job but has not been able to beat the better teams so far and thus I am not sure whether we have enough to go up. If we do go up today showed what kind of overhaul we would need as the team would struggle once again at a higher level if many of the players remained. Interesting thoughts from mpjacko on whether we need longer to restructure and may be better not going up. I think we always have to strive to go up and then you can rebuild (as Norwich, Leicester etc) have done as you go. Even if we finished 4th from bottom next year I would take that over another year in this division as I fear if we don’t go up this year, whilst it is imperative we do rebuild it would mean a long spell outside the top 2 divisions in my opinion.

That is what life as a United supporter has become like. Quite sad really.

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You know what, I don't think we were that bad today. Certainly not 4-0 bad, but once Brum gained their momentum, they showed their class and we couldn't live with them. No one played that bad today despite some opinions, even LJF was, in my opinion, reasonable against an excellent tricky bloke in Chris Burke.
My opinion of Quinn differs from DB's assertion that he didn't help LJF at all and was poor, to me he tracked back, helped out defensively and played reasonably well.

How many times was Burke one on one with LJF though? He had beating of him and Quinn (and others) should have tucked in behind or been able to give more protection. He was left woefully exposed at times against a good player. However, LJF was shocking and was led a merry dance most of the afternoon. Surprised he made it past half time. I watched Quinn carefully yesterday and he put in one excellent cross to Cresswell in the early pat of the secnd half but cannot remember many other good things he did. He actually started roving around the pitch (maybe he was told to) and completely left his side of the ppitch meaning there was often a big gap when they attacked. I thik Quinn is a million miles from performances earlier in the season. I think it would be in his and clubs interests for him too move on as he has gone stale now and it might be best for all concerned. I actually think the same about Monty (although acknowledge both can do good jobs and have been good servants). With the money these two are on can we honestly say other than the spell from Quinn at the start of the season that these two have stood out at his level?
 
This is the second week in a row that our strike force (and our attacking midefielders) has come up against a good defence. We've not had a look in. At Charlton Evans and Cresswell did not get a sniff. They looked isolated, slow and lacking movement. Against Bury the week before they had the time and space to create things. Appears this is not there against the better teams and we struggle. Against Colchester we will get more chances and it is up to us to take them.

Got to pick up on this because i see it as a worry, charlton x2 and udders no goals, against better defenses we seem to really struggle i had hoped to get more out of evans in the last few games but last doesn't seem to be the case. Confidence needs to be high going to udders, so we need 6 points out of the next 2 games which should be very achievable.
 
Spot on report and retorts deadbat. It was like watching last year but with a gloss of passing around the half way line.
Lack of a spine, no width and no pace.
Embarrassing lack of fight - Swindon showed bags more at Leicester and the Pigs clearly showed bags more at Blackpool.
I don't think you were harsh enough on some of them. They bottled it and looked desparately short of any class or bite.
Lowton was the only one that came out of the game with eny credit for me. I think McD has been much improved as his confidence has improved but you only have to look at the challenge on his former Burnley team mate, Elliott, when he got the yellow card to see the real difference. Elliott bossed it - our lads bottled it.

Quinn had a shocker - you are spot on that he left LJF hopelessly exposed and we all know how good Burke is - it's not as though we haven't seen him before.
I was in John Street so couldn't see the angle but the chance for Cresswell looked to me that quinn just hit is across the area without looking when he should have pulled it back more for Cresswell. Tht said if you look at both Rooney's goals you can see that he got to the front stick ahead of his defender. This is something that Cress nor Evans appear to understand. It's something that Edwards bangs on about a lot when he summarises.

If we don't get an automatic slot then that performance confirms to me that we will whimp out of any play off semis at the first hurdle.
Of this squad only Lowton, Mcdonald and Harry Maguire are worth keeping - although I worry about maguire against better opposition.

It's not losing to a much better team that bothers me - I went yesterday knowing that we would. It's the lack of bottle and fight that made me really pissed off. We just rolled over and let them tickle our belly. That makes me really concerned about Feb 26 - when the going gets tough the current squad goes into hiding.

Crowd - Blues were loud and proud - Blades fans made more noise leaving the ground before the finish. 1/10 for turning up
 
I agree with DB (thanks 4 report by the way) if we don't go up this season, we won't go up for a long time. We would'nt be paying our debt off, and we would lose more money and players, wilson would have less than he has now and thats next to nothing.
 
Spot on report and retorts deadbat. It was like watching last year but with a gloss of passing around the half way line.
Lack of a spine, no width and no pace.
Embarrassing lack of fight - Swindon showed bags more at Leicester and the Pigs clearly showed bags more at Blackpool.
I don't think you were harsh enough on some of them. They bottled it and looked desparately short of any class or bite.
Lowton was the only one that came out of the game with eny credit for me. I think McD has been much improved as his confidence has improved but you only have to look at the challenge on his former Burnley team mate, Elliott, when he got the yellow card to see the real difference. Elliott bossed it - our lads bottled it.

Quinn had a shocker - you are spot on that he left LJF hopelessly exposed and we all know how good Burke is - it's not as though we haven't seen him before.
I was in John Street so couldn't see the angle but the chance for Cresswell looked to me that quinn just hit is across the area without looking when he should have pulled it back more for Cresswell. Tht said if you look at both Rooney's goals you can see that he got to the front stick ahead of his defender. This is something that Cress nor Evans appear to understand. It's something that Edwards bangs on about a lot when he summarises.

If we don't get an automatic slot then that performance confirms to me that we will whimp out of any play off semis at the first hurdle.
Of this squad only Lowton, Mcdonald and Harry Maguire are worth keeping - although I worry about maguire against better opposition.

It's not losing to a much better team that bothers me - I went yesterday knowing that we would. It's the lack of bottle and fight that made me really pissed off. We just rolled over and let them tickle our belly. That makes me really concerned about Feb 26 - when the going gets tough the current squad goes into hiding.

Crowd - Blues were loud and proud - Blades fans made more noise leaving the ground before the finish. 1/10 for turning up

Not happy are you ?

We are a third division club who played a good championship side yesterday and lost. . Lack of bottle? More like a lack of quality to compete with a team at that level but that is why we got relegated. They has 2 superb centre halfs whci if we had last season we would have stayed up.

We have won 12 out of 14 (I think),were unlucky not to get something last week and will create chance aainst other 3rd division sides. Does it matter how the Pigs played in a cup game at Blackpool ? Does it mean they have lost their bottle against Walsall,Huddersfield and Haretlepool lately? You don't mention this but you are concerned about the 26th ? You surely can't accuse this side to go 'hiding' in any league match this season or we would be near the bottom of the table..

I've mentioned on another thread that i believe we need a 'billy clarke' type forward and an experienced defender. Apart from that,we have a good team for the level we are playing at.

It just seems like some fans can't wait for us to lose so they can have a good moan
 
I thought we had a go, its never nice to lose 0-4 at home but in all honestly it did not bother me one jot. As for the championship, lets worry about that when we actually get there shall we?

The best news of the day was the news of Blackpool's equaliser, because it gives the pigs another game, and I shall be hoping they beat the seasiders in the replay (on penalties aet of course!), then draw Stevenage away, which can go to another replay.

BTW - Birmingham supporters = scum. West Midlands version of swfc. Horrible, horribile bastards.
 
You phrase it like it's the only sensible thing to do. Is it?

I don't see how we can do anything else. If United return to the championship it is obvious we will need to make some signings, but as it is only January, it seems premature to talk about who we will need on the field come august for a potential opening day in the championship.
 
BTW - Birmingham supporters = scum. West Midlands version of swfc. Horrible, horribile bastards.[/QUOTE]

Not nice being out sung in your own ground, but why this view Axel?
 
I don't see how we can do anything else. If United return to the championship it is obvious we will need to make some signings, but as it is only January, it seems premature to talk about who we will need on the field come august for a potential opening day in the championship.

I agree that it's too late to change a lot in terms of signings now, but I think there should be more awareness and more debate concerning short vs long term decisions at this club. Short term success has been our only real priority the last few seasons.

Has this changed since the last managerial change?
 
I agree that it's too late to change a lot in terms of signings now, but I think there should be more awareness and more debate concerning short vs long term decisions at this club. Short term success has been our only real priority the last few seasons.

Has this changed since the last managerial change?

short term success over the next few months is key. Get promoted and we will be in a better position to restructure as a few of the higher earners will be going(Simmo,Taylor,Evans,Ertl,Willo) with BT and McD also out of contract. Go up and we might be able to keep a couple of those (Wiilo and McD ?) and rebuild using the wages we save. Don't go up,lose all these plus lose Quinn,Monty,Lowton,Maguire on the cheap as we will need the money
 



Good report as per DB, LJF is not a liability, he hust had a bed game against a very good player, Quinn left him out to dry. I commented to my mate that i bet Quinn does at least 8 feint/drag bags behind his standing leg and 8 he did. The times he could move the ball forward but wants to look good and the forward movement breaks down. I'd sell him for £100,000 tomorrow
 

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