Stephen Quinn

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TarquinDelouche said:
It depends upon whether or not it's libellous. If I say that Danny Wilson is a rapist, I'm sure I'd be pulled up about it.
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Probably. But it would still be obvious to me that that was only your opinion.
 



Having and sharing an opinion is one thing. Stating "Stephen Quinn is a cheat" and looking for an excuse to assault him is something else.

It's actually quite sweet that so many people think that they have the right to fill an online forum with whatever they want and be free to say "But it's only my opinion!" to escape legal action.
 
Tarquin me owd spadge. There's a place where I think you will fit in ..... North Korea. You will not hear any words of dissent towards Kim Il Sung, King Jong Ill or Stephen Quinn over there. Oh no no.
 
TarquinDelouche said:
Having and sharing an opinion is one thing. Stating "Stephen Quinn is a cheat" and looking for an excuse to assault him is something else.

It's actually quite sweet that so many people think that they have the right to fill an online forum with whatever they want and be free to say "But it's only my opinion!" to escape legal action.
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As a lawyer, I would say "cheat" as applied to a footballer is in a different category to accusing someone of being a rapist.

The test as to whether or not a statement is libellous is that it tends to lower someone in the estimation of right thinking people generally. Even if that test is satisfied, a libel claim can be defeated if the statement can be proven to be true or if it is (even if it cannot be proven to be true) fair comment on a matter of public interest.

If you call someone a rapist you are saying (obviously) they have raped someone. That would (equally obviously) tend to lower them in the estimation of right thinking people generally and would be libellous unless you could show it to be true. Calling someone as a rapist cannot be fair comment as it is not a comment. It is a statement of fact which is either true or untrue.

Calling Quinn a "cheat" is not the same. In context, I take it to mean that Quinn is not putting in sufficent effort on the field to warrant his pay. This could tend to lower the estimation of Quinn in the view of right thinking people generally, but I think if he brought a libel claim on that basis, a defence of fair comment would defeat it. The allegation of "cheat" is a comment on Quinn's performance and I don't think it is too extreme to go beyond the bounds of fairness.
 
>I believe he may have a case for legal action against you.
and me as well then.. perhaps he could do one of those class action things.. i've never been convinced by quinn.. at the beginning of the season he put in a couple of good performances and i considered that i might have been wrong.. since the transfer interest subsided he has reverted back to being elpiton.. funnily enough i think he'd do well in the premiership with all of those pointless tricks and flicks.. flatters to deceive is 'my' opinion
 
Darren said:
As a lawyer, I would say "cheat" as applied to a footballer is in a different category to accusing someone of being a rapist.

The test as to whether or not a statement is libellous is that it tends to lower someone in the estimation of right thinking people generally. Even if that test is satisfied, a libel claim can be defeated if the statement can be proven to be true or if it is (even if it cannot be proven to be true) fair comment on a matter of public interest.

If you call someone a rapist you are saying (obviously) they have raped someone. That would (equally obviously) tend to lower them in the estimation of right thinking people generally and would be libellous unless you could show it to be true. Calling someone as a rapist cannot be fair comment as it is not a comment. It is a statement of fact which is either true or untrue.

Calling Quinn a "cheat" is not the same. In context, I take it to mean that Quinn is not putting in sufficent effort on the field to warrant his pay. This could tend to lower the estimation of Quinn in the view of right thinking people generally, but I think if he brought a libel claim on that basis, a defence of fair comment would defeat it. The allegation of "cheat" is a comment on Quinn's performance and I don't think it is too extreme to go beyond the bounds of fairness.
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Back in 2006, Jose Mourinho accused Andy Johnson of diving for a penalty, Everton announced they would sue (defamation of character affecting the value of their asset) if he didn't apologise. He quickly retracted his comment and apologised. Just think, if he had you as his legal advisor he could have won.
 
great.. united players now sue fans, even strapon couldn't have thought that one up.. perhaps if they got their shit together they wouldn't have to
 
TarquinDelouche said:
Back in 2006, Jose Mourinho accused Andy Johnson of diving for a penalty, Everton announced they would sue (defamation of character affecting the value of their asset) if he didn't apologise. He quickly retracted his comment and apologised. Just think, if he had you as his legal advisor he could have won.
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Do you have a link for that?

I would think it extremely unlikely that any libel case brought by a player accused of diving would have the remotest chance of success. And another thing: only a person libelled can sue for the damage to their reputation. Someone's employer cannot sue on their behalf.
 
TarquinDelouche said:
Back in 2006, Jose Mourinho accused Andy Johnson of diving for a penalty, Everton announced they would sue (defamation of character affecting the value of their asset) if he didn't apologise. He quickly retracted his comment and apologised. Just think, if he had you as his legal advisor he could have won.
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As m'learned friend has already stated, sitters' view of Quinny is not that he falls over a lot in an attempt to seek an advantage by cheating, but that he doesn't work hard enough for the cause and is therefore cheating the club and its fans by giving less than his best.

That is a matter of opinion that would be very difficult to take legal action over, surely, thoiugh no doubt Darren will have a legally educated view.....
 
TarquinDelouche said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...to-sue-unless-mourinho-apologises-429199.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2352589/Everton-may-sue-Mourinho-over-claims.html

His retraction:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/6192485.stm
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Can't see Mourinho's retraction but I do see that, according to the BBC and Telegraph reports, all Everton did was "consult lawyers" and were "considering" taking legal action, but in the end they just submitted a complaint to the FA. That's because a libel case would not have had a hope in hell - which is no doubt what their lawyers told them.
 



And no TV pundit has accused any player of diving since 2006. Why hasnt there been a flurry of libel cases?
 
Darren said:
As a lawyer, I would say "cheat" as applied to a footballer is in a different category to accusing someone of being a rapist.

The test as to whether or not a statement is libellous is that it tends to lower someone in the estimation of right thinking people generally. Even if that test is satisfied, a libel claim can be defeated if the statement can be proven to be true or if it is (even if it cannot be proven to be true) fair comment on a matter of public interest.

Dazzler....There is no need to start all you contributions as a lawyer, this site is only used by lawyers even if they are of the barrack room variety

If you call someone a rapist you are saying (obviously) they have raped someone. That would (equally obviously) tend to lower them in the estimation of right thinking people generally and would be libellous unless you could show it to be true. Calling someone as a rapist cannot be fair comment as it is not a comment. It is a statement of fact which is either true or untrue.

Calling Quinn a "cheat" is not the same. In context, I take it to mean that Quinn is not putting in sufficent effort on the field to warrant his pay. This could tend to lower the estimation of Quinn in the view of right thinking people generally, but I think if he brought a libel claim on that basis, a defence of fair comment would defeat it. The allegation of "cheat" is a comment on Quinn's performance and I don't think it is too extreme to go beyond the bounds of fairness.
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Dazzler ..there is no need to start all your contributions "as a Lawyer" as only lawyers (and one or two economists) use this forum even if they maybe of only barrack room variety....;)
 
SE10 Blades said:
And no TV pundit has accused any player of diving since 2006. Why hasnt there been a flurry of libel cases?
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Indeed. I hardly think that a striker being accused of diving would lower him in the estimation of right thinking people generally. It goes with the territory. Blimey, when Jack Lester played for us, virtually every one on the old BU site every other week would comment on Jack's latest penalty winning dive. Has he bankrupted all those posters?
 
As a lawyer, can you confirm whether possession of an Irish accent and flaming red hair is still a criminal offence?
 
Ollessendro said:
Tarquin me owd spadge. There's a place where I think you will fit in ..... North Korea. You will not hear any words of dissent towards Kim Il Sung, King Jong Ill or Stephen Quinn over there. Oh no no.
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You appear to have mistaken me for an advocate. Which means your post is overreaction based upon an incorrect assumption. As we cannot delete our posts, let's just leave it as a monument to you making a monumental arse of yourself. Along with most of your other posts.
 
TarquinDelouche said:
You appear to have mistaken me for an advocate. Which means your post is overreaction based upon an incorrect assumption. As we cannot delete our posts, let's just leave it as a monument to you making a monumental arse of yourself. Along with most of your other posts.
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Is "monumental arse" libellous ? :-)
 
TarquinDelouche said:
Maybe I'll dedicate as much of my time to denigrating you and your work.
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I think this is a great idea Tarqers. How much does Sitters charge for watching him work by the way? For a mere £30 you can come and watch me for a couple of hours. I suggest you leave it a few days though because the boilers bust over Chrimbo and I can't get a decent cup of tea and so things are fairly fractious at the moment.

I think, and only in my most humble opinion of course, that Quinny has a footballer lurking somewhere inside him but probably needs to move on somewhere in order for it to appear on a regular and consistent basis. He really has been piss poor over the last 2 seasons.
 
>there is no need to start all your contributions "as a Lawyer"
Darren.. you need to start using "as a proper lawyer" in order to distinguish yourself from the riff raff mate :D
 
And the award for the topic to go most of track goes to............................................
 
Grecian2000 said:
I think, and only in my most humble opinion of course, that Quinny has a footballer lurking somewhere inside him but probably needs to move on somewhere in order for it to appear on a regular and consistent basis. He really has been piss poor over the last 2 seasons.
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Short memory syndrome?

Quinn was one of our better players at the beginning of the season.
 
Darren said:
Is "monumental arse" libellous ? :-)
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I had a girlfriend with one of those and she was very sensitive about any reference to it, even when she used it to slam the door on my Ford Cortina and left a dent to match her well upholstered posterior.
 
Regardless of the interesting turn of topic, has Quinny been sent down yet?
 
Nottingham Forest manager Steve Cotterill has made Sheffield United's Stephen Quinn one his main transfer targets this month, according to Sky Sports News.

The 25-year-old has became a firm favourite with the Blades faithful since joining the club in 2005.

However, United could be forced to sell the midfielder because of the financial difficulties the club is facing.

Cotterill is hoping to take full advantage by submitting an offer of around £350,000.

Quinn has made 27 appearances for League One United this season, scoring three goals in the process.

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/footbal...lk/news/forest-track-stephen-quinn_12218.html

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Can't see him going for £350,000 myself.
 



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