John Egan

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As said in earlier reply’s not great when having to play off the shoulder, definitely someone who struggles in a back four and lacks pace at times. I do like the guy and was great in the premiership pre lockdown, big part of the three at the back with our famous overlapping centre backs, always come across as a great guy who seems to love the club. Anything above 15 million has to go provided we have a suitable replacement, would be sad to see him go but feel he’s run his course with us.
 

Unpopular opinion, but I wouldn’t be overly averse to it, if we can rinse them on a good deal. He hasn’t been anywhere near the same since JOC has been out and is 30 later this year. He has been rumoured to be our highest earner too, so could make some long term financial sense.

Of course, this hinges on us bringing in a younger replacement with prospect to grow. Given our recent activity in the transfer market, I wouldn’t be overly confident.
 
I love Egan and he’s a big player for us but there’s definitely parts of his game that are not up to PL football.
 
S64 Blade said:
Unpopular opinion, but I wouldn’t be overly averse to it, if we can rinse them on a good deal. He hasn’t been anywhere near the same since JOC has been out and is 30 later this year. He has been rumoured to be our highest earner too, so could make some long term financial sense.

Of course, this hinges on us bringing in a younger replacement with prospect to grow. Given our recent activity in the transfer market, I wouldn’t be overly confident.
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If we need the money then we need the money. I’d sooner sell than store up problems like Derby et al. But we should be under no illusions that the odds of getting a worthy replacement for Egan are very slim.

This is the process of managed decline from Premiership income to EFL income. And it’s bloody difficult.
 
JohnDenver said:
If we need the money then we need the money. I’d sooner sell than store up problems like Derby et al. But we should be under no illusions that the odds of getting a worthy replacement for Egan are very slim.

This is the process of managed decline from Premiership income to EFL income. And it’s bloody difficult.
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100 million dollars.
 
DronnieBlade said:
Egan’s departure would be a loss that would for sure fuck up any chance of the play offs.

The views expressed on here describing his poor performances this season are woefully wide of the mark.

A superb CB at championship level. One of the very best in fact.

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100% agree. 7 million would literally send a signal for me that financially we are in a weak position, fiscally and from a negotiation stand point from the player's side and the clubs that are offering.

Egan going now does not make any sense in where we are at the moment. In the summer, I can see it but to let such an established CB who has performed well, been consistent and above all has earned his fee and then some (compared to some recent outgoings) to go on the LAST day of the January transfer window seems like shooting yourself in the foot. Especially when we are on the push for the play-offs. I don't believe it. This Goode fella has had injury issues throughout at Brentford as well. He would need time to bed in. Egan can continue to improve as well as we look a bit more potent with set pieces now under Hecky/McCall. I've always thought he should be scoring more goals from set-pieces in the style that Maguire did with his head so I do think we could get a LOT more for him in the summer if we are to sell him.
 

DronnieBlade said:
Egan’s departure would be a loss that would for sure fuck up any chance of the play offs.

The views expressed on here describing his poor performances this season are woefully wide of the mark.

A superb CB at championship level. One of the very best in fact.

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Might not be a popular take in some quarters but I do think the Board deserve some credit.

It's obvious the summer didn't go to plan in terms of player sales and creating a fund.

However, they were adamant about not selling Egan and whether by fortune or planning they have essentially lost a goalkeeper for a good fee and that's it.

For those pining for something else, remember when Beattie had flu, left for 3m and was replaced with Jamie Ward for 350k. Look back fondly on when we sold on Nick Blackman for 1.5m and replaced him with Jonathan Forte on loan. Or perhaps when we sold Kyle Naughton to Spurs and then happily threw in his replacement too for another 3m.

Then take a look at what the alternative was - ALK. They've had a net spent over 2 seasons of 5m. And they're in the PL. Dyche has done well with Cornet, ended up with top dollar for Wood and Weighorst comes with a promising record. But that is Dyche making the best of his lot. It isn't him receiving any sort of backing at all.

That's what rankles with Wilder. His mate spent a net of 14m in 3 years, yet it was Chris, with his 120m spend, who was the one bellyaching.

But the point being, these are difficult circumstances and the Board have tried their level best to support and not undermine the manager whilst trying to not overstretch the club beyond it's predicament.
 
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Champagneblade said:
But the point being, these are difficult circumstances and the Board have tried their level best to support and not undermine the manager whilst trying to not overstretch the club beyond it's predicament.
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Whilst I take on board some of your points and they are now doing their level best to steady an impending financial meltdown, they allowed Wilder to sign the shite, then sacked him, then appointed Slav, then half heartedly backed him, then sacked him.

They’re hardly poster boys for a ‘well run club’ and comparing them to the shit decision makers of the past only makes them the equivalent of chopping a couple of fingers off rather than your whole hand.
 
derekacorah said:
Whilst I take on board some of your points and they are now doing their level best to steady an impending financial meltdown, they allowed Wilder to sign the shite, then sacked him, then appointed Slav, then half heartedly backed him, then sacked him.

They’re hardly poster boys for a ‘well run club’ and comparing them to the shit decision makers of the past only makes them the equivalent of chopping a couple of fingers off rather than your whole hand.
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Ha. I like the analogy. We're Sheffield United. Chopping your own balls off would cover some of our custodians!

With Wilder I think the take can go both ways - when does allowed him to sign shite stop being fully backed the manager?! And I think Wilder sacked himself or at least he had 3 attempts at it.

Slav was a bad move. Right guy. Wrong timing. Too much change needed in the squad for him to make it work. Once Berge didn't go for 30m, it was clear the appointment was in trouble. But just sometimes there are things not in your control. And not getting in 30m you really hoped for is quite significant.

Hindsight and all that but if he'd have gone with Hecky, he'd have got pelters for lack of ambition but it would have seemingly been the most sensible thing to have done.
 
Champagneblade said:
Ha. I like the analogy. We're Sheffield United. Chopping your own balls off would cover some of our custodians!

With Wilder I think the take can go both ways - when does allowed him to sign shite stop being fully backed the manager?! And I think Wilder sacked himself or at least he had 3 attempts at it.

Slav was a bad move. Right guy. Wrong timing. Too much change needed in the squad for him to make it work. Once Berge didn't go for 30m, it was clear the appointment was in trouble. But just sometimes there are things not in your control. And not getting in 30m you really hoped for is quite significant.

Hindsight and all that but if he'd have gone with Hecky, he'd have got pelters for lack of ambition but it would have seemingly been the most sensible thing to have done.
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In the instance of £30m for Berge, If Slav was told we’d get it and we didn’t then whichever idiot told him we would in the first place was in the wrong. Someone you’ve played £23m for who plays badly is worth less than you paid, not more.
 
I will never know why we wanted Slav nor why he wanted us.
We had only 2 saleable assets , Rammers & (possibly) Berge.
It was public knowledge we had a £40m hole after relegation which was not filled by Rammers sale.
Slav must have realised that Berge's weird hammy injury (the first one that put him out for ages) would have crippled his resale value at least in the short-term - so where did he imagine we'd have any money for the kind of reshaping he wanted to implement ?
A plain daft appointment on both sides.
But the January window shows there is a bit more common sense in place now.
 
DronnieBlade said:
Egan’s departure would be a loss that would for sure fuck up any chance of the play offs.

The views expressed on here describing his poor performances this season are woefully wide of the mark.

A superb CB at championship level. One of the very best in fact.

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Two years ago I would have agreed with you wholeheartedly ...... but this season he's been a shadow of his previous rock solid, commanding self.

He's not been solid or commanding and he looks as if he's saving himself for a move out imho.

Very disappointing to be honest ..... but certainly NOT on his own, amongst a very disappointing group of so called "senior players" 😏

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Darthblade said:
Two years ago I would have agreed with you wholeheartedly ...... but this season he's been a shadow of his previous rock solid, commanding self.

He's not been solid or commanding and he looks as if he's saving himself for a move out imho.

Very disappointing to be honest ..... but certainly NOT on his own, amongst a very disappointing group of so called "senior players" 😏

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Given that Heckinbottom has brought in a player who plays in Egan's position it would appear that your thoughts are not out of line. FWIW I've said for a while that while I like Egan as a player he's the one in the current squad who would realise most value if sold and replaced. Hopefully Goode arriving will spur him on to new heights...but if it doesn't he'll lose his place.
 
Balham Blade said:
Given that Heckinbottom has brought in a player who plays in Egan's position it would appear that your thoughts are not out of line. FWIW I've said for a while that while I like Egan as a player he's the one in the current squad who would realise most value if sold and replaced. Hopefully Goode arriving will spur him on to new heights...but if it doesn't he'll lose his place.
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Goode can also play in Basham's position can't he?
 
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Presumably. I would imagine he's been brought in to challenge both.
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Plus of course if Egan can compete for LCB should his own slot be under threat then it all makes for healthy competition. Perm 3 from a 4 of Egan, Basham, Goode, Davies and that looks very decent for this level.
 
JohnDenver said:
If we need the money then we need the money. I’d sooner sell than store up problems like Derby et al. But we should be under no illusions that the odds of getting a worthy replacement for Egan are very slim.

This is the process of managed decline from Premiership income to EFL income. And it’s bloody difficult.
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yes it is difficult - and it should be a reminder to some of our fans, that clubs that don't trim accordingly end up like the pigs/Derby/Brum etc.

For me the management seem on top of things and probably partly due to our ex manager putting certain steps in place as well.

Having said that - if we trim some of the others down in the summer and promote 2 or 3 youngsters to the squad we're looking more like a very good unit for next season and having a real go at the Championship. We'll still get in the playoffs this season for me, but we're not as settled as we could be if a small miracle comes off and we break our duck in the PO lottery.

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Fulwood Blade said:
yes it is difficult - and it should be a reminder to some of our fans, that clubs that don't trim accordingly end up like the pigs/Derby/Brum etc.

For me the management seem on top of things and probably partly due to our ex manager putting certain steps in place as well.

Having said that - if we trim some of the others down in the summer and promote 2 or 3 youngsters to the squad we're looking more like a very good unit for next season and having a real go at the Championship. We'll still get in the playoffs this season for me, but we're not as settled as we could be if a small miracle comes off and we break our duck in the PO lottery.

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yeah would agree with you there fulwood bit more trimming this summer maybe 2 or 3 new additions plus as you say 2 or 3 of the younger lads coming in to the squad and we should be able to have a good crack at promotion having said that still every chance of making the play offs this season although at this time dont think were quite ready to be back in the premier league utb fto
 

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