United anti Putin chants

[PokerBlade]

The MPs voted him out and a pro-USA Jewish president, Zelensky, was put in power.

 

[BladesNo9]

Why don't we just sing McBurnie's song and pretend it's for Putin?, you know the 1 that goes,.....

He's shit and we know he is
He's shit and we know he is
He's shit and we know he is
He's shit and we know he is

(2nd Verse)
He's shit and we know he is
He's shit and we know he is
Etc
Etc........................

That way no one gets offended except Putin! (and maybe Ollie that we nicked his song!!!!)

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

To be honest I prefer politics to be kept out of football. It's part of the reason I'm a football fan.

Fair enough. But, sport & football can be a force for good. Boban attacking Yugoslavian Police on the pitch. Protests at Bramall Lane & vandalism of the perimeter wall. Iconic moments which played small, links in a chain, parts in the most historic moments of the last Century. I'd prefer far more politics in football.

 

[Tom Bott]

To be honest I prefer politics to be kept out of football.

Their lies the problem, there are no politics in Russia, just Putin who has been 'voting' himself in charge for the last 22 years.

 

[Camden Blade]

Yes I'm anti-Putin and pro-Ukraine but there's a well known Russian student in Sheffield who has adopted the Blades and attends home and away. He has a Twitter following and there was an article in the Star about his love of the Blades. How does he feel about 'United hate fucking Russia' chants? Probably he disagrees with Putin too I don't know. Politics is divisive. We saw it over taking the knee.

 

[Alex Cheeseright]

 

[TimofeeVee]

How about a chant of 'whilst we don't hate the Russian people, we do condemn the actions of its government and support the strongest possible economic sanctions until Russia agrees to the right of Ukraine to exist as a sovereign nation and its borders are respected '. If I lead this chant on Friday v Forest will others follow?

To 2 Unlimited- No Limit

 

[Lupa The Noa]

How about a chant of 'whilst we don't hate the Russian people, we do condemn the actions of its government and support the strongest possible economic sanctions until Russia agrees to the right of Ukraine to exist as a sovereign nation and its borders are respected '. If I lead this chant on Friday v Forest will others follow?

How about 'Ukrainian Men Hallelujah, Ukrainian Men Hallelujah' to the Weather Girls classic. I'll take me top off whilst you sing it...

 

[pedro]

None of which justifies an armed invasion with all the death and destruction involved.

At the end of the day Putin is behaving like a 21st Century Hitler (I can enumerate the ways if you like) and invading a European nation for his nationalist agenda.

Whatever the Yanks may or may not have done does not warrant tanks rolling through the streets of Kharkov or Kiev. Much less does it warrant that Putin has put his nukes on alert. The man is a mad dog that needs putting down. End of.

Sorry should be KYIV Ukrainian kiev russian

 

[LudlamBlade]

At the time, the democratically-elected president Janokovich was in power.

Was that before or after he was at Fulham and Watford?

 

[pedro]

Unfortunately 100% correct. I say Unfortunately because this has caused the situation that a mad man has taken advantage of. The whole world is a fkin mess. Run by those not looking out for your interests, hence the question, "how do you know when a politician is lying?"

When he opens his mouth

 

[1973Blade]

How about 'Ukrainian Men Hallelujah, Ukrainian Men Hallelujah' to the Weather Girls classic. I'll take me top off whilst you sing it...

It's a deal!

 

[AWetFlannel]

Irrelevant.

This is about the people in Ukraine today - nothing more, nothing less.

To try to deflect attention in other directions is quite frankly appalling in my opinion.

Hypocrisy isn't irrelevant. If we illegally invade a sovereign country, it makes it more acceptable for someone else to do it.

Calling the addition of context "deflection" is ignorant.

 

[djbaldken]

Im no lover of Putin..he is a bad man..no two ways.I am merely telling the true events which has lead up to this.The Democrats have been poking the fire and knew this would happen..its what they want.

So let me get this right, the Democrats poked Putin to invade The Ukraine. The Democtrats have influence over Putin? The Democrats want to bring the world to the brink of self destruction? Seriously?

 

[DIRTY HARRY]

So let me get this right, the Democrats poked Putin to invade The Ukraine. The Democtrats have influence over Putin? The Democrats want to bring the world to the brink of self destruction? Seriously?

Wtf you been smokin

 

[djbaldken]

Wtf you been smokin

Funnily enough i was going to ask you the same.

 

[Alex Cheeseright]

2 words....Great Reset

 

[Tom Bott]

If anyone would like to know why there is a neo-Nazi threat in Ukraine that has grown since 2014, it has everything to do with the USA and the EU.

This post is for anyone who cares about the truth and would like to understand more about how the situation in the Ukraine has escalated to where it is today - not just what the media tell us, which is littered with lies and half-truths.

In 2013, the EU wanted to make a trade deal with the Ukraine. They were offering millions of dollars to the country - cash incentives in exchange for loyalty. At the time, the democratically-elected president Janokovich was in power. The EU (and America's) aim was to establish a power base in the Ukraine, hence the offer of money.

When Putin heard about it, he then made Janokovich an offer himself in a bid to stop the USA- $15 billion dollars and an offer of cheap gas.

Janokovich decided to go with Putin's offer. That was when the USA decided he needed to be removed.

They started to empower the worst elements of Ukrainian society - neo-Nazis who have a deep-rooted hatred of Russians. They began to fund them, provoking riots and instigating demonstrations. It was not difficult to do. Ukraine has a strong nationalist tradition.

Don't forget that Ukraine has justifiable reason to hate the Russians - millions were wiped out by Stalin in the Holodomor where roughly 7 million starved to death. So, of course, there are Ukraine people who are not neo-Nazis who joined in with the riots and demonstrations.

The United States built up the fascist element within the Ukraine, violent and intolerant neo-Nazis, and used them to ensure Janokovich was removed. The MPs voted him out and a pro-USA Jewish president, Zelensky, was put in power.

Since 2014, this neo-Nazi element has grown, backed and funded by the United States. If anyone has been confused as to how neo-Nazis can exist with a Jewish president in power, it is because it is not the president who has the real power. These Nazis, who openly honour the Ukraine hero, Stephen Bandera, who worked with Hitler, have an intense hatred of Russians, which is why so many pro-Russians have been persecuted by them for the last eight years.

So when Putin says he is going to 'de-nazify' the Ukraine, what he really means is that he wants to remove US power, which has been funding and building neo-Nazism in the country. The Ukraine is a power playground between the USA and Russia. The USA's underhanded actions are viewed as provocotive - which is why it makes little sense when the media says that it is unprovoked. You could compared it to one person spreading rumours about another behind the scenes (USA), and the person being talked about punches them in the face (Russia). Punching them in the face is definitely not OK, but because people only witness the punch and not the source of the rumours, they only condemn the one who did the punching.

This is not to say that Russia is justified in its current actions; but it helps us understand better why the situation has unravelled in this way. It reminds us that nothing is black and white, and that the media are not being honest with us. We have a right as the public to know the truth so we can reach our own conclusions about this conflict, and the media has no right to try and force us what to think by only providing us with selective information and hiding the rest.

My Romanian step mother was incarcerated in a Russian labour camp for ten years.

Maybe she was a neo Nazi. (she was a housewife, on a smallholding in a village)

In a Russian labour camp there is no contact with the outside world, no one knows if you are alive or dead.

Stalin/Putin are both cut from the same cloth in my book.
Personally I hope that Putin faces the same 'justice' that the dictator in charge of Romania received.

 

[SheepdipBlade]

Hypocrisy isn't irrelevant. If we illegally invade a sovereign country, it makes it more acceptable for someone else to do it.

Calling the addition of context "deflection" is ignorant.

Leaving aside such things as UN articles - since when did two wrongs make a right?

As I said earlier, the Internet is great at making everyone a specialist - which might have baring in matters of facts and figures. IMO this is more about right and wrong than facts and figures and only becomes justifiable if -

a - you believe Putins aims of recreating the Tsarist Empire is legitimate.
b - you belive Putin had no alternative course of action (baring in mind he holds all the gas and oil cards)

What the West has done in the past is part of the context and has not defined Putins actions. Those are choices Putin has made to further his own agenda. Putin alone is responsible for his own actions.

So a straight question AWF - do you support Putin trying to recreate Imperial Russia - with Georgia, Azerbaijan etc next, and/or do you believe multi billionaire, nuclear armed, floating on oil, Putin is not the master of his own actions?

 

[AWetFlannel]

Leaving aside such things as UN articles - since when did two wrongs make a right?

As I said earlier, the Internet is great at making everyone a specialist - which might have baring in matters of facts and figures. IMO this is more about right and wrong than facts and figures and only becomes justifiable if -

a - you believe Putins aims of recreating the Tsarist Empire is legitimate.
b - you belive Putin had no alternative course of action (baring in mind he holds all the gas and oil cards)

What the West has done in the past is part of the context and has not defined Putins actions. Those are choices Putin has made to further his own agenda. Putin alone is responsible for his own actions.

So a straight question AWF - do you support Putin trying to recreate Imperial Russia - with Georgia, Azerbaijan etc next, and/or do you believe multi billionaire, nuclear armed, floating on oil, Putin is not the master of his own actions?

Nothing I've said should suggest I think Putin's actions are justified. The man has always been a criminal, and now he's cemented his place in history as an evil tyrant.

Putin is responsible for his own actions and is being judged accordingly. Yet we don't put similar pressure on our government to stop supporting tyranny, racism and genocide in Yemen or Palestine. We haven't locked up people found guilty of war crimes in our own country.

So from a Russian perspective, why should they judge Putin any differently? If they follow our example (and we are the good guys/moral beacon/world police), they should be outraged at foreign enemies starting illegal wars, but brush of their own as "complicated".

 

[SheepdipBlade]

Nothing I've said should suggest I think Putin's actions are justified. The man has always been a criminal, and now he's cemented his place in history as an evil tyrant.

Putin is responsible for his own actions and is being judged accordingly. Yet we don't put similar pressure on our government to stop supporting tyranny, racism and genocide in Yemen or Palestine. We haven't locked up people found guilty of war crimes in our own country.

So from a Russian perspective, why should they judge Putin any differently? If they follow our example (and we are the good guys/moral beacon/world police), they should be outraged at foreign enemies starting illegal wars, but brush of their own as "complicated".

Some reasonable points there - but now is not the time to focus on them. To concentrate on Yemen, Palestine etc whilst valid, serves to distract attention away from the suffering of Ukraine at a time when the West needs to be focused and concentrated on Kiev, Kharkov etc.

The weakness of democracy in times of crisis has forever come from internal division within - and although I'm sure that's not your intent - that is indeed what your argument does. Don't look here at the atrocity, look here instead at a different issue or agenda.

The West should address Palestine etc - but not at a time when cruise missiles are pounding civilian cities.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Some reasonable points there - but now is not the time to focus on them. To concentrate on Yemen, Palestine etc whilst valid, serves to distract attention away from the suffering of Ukraine at a time when the West needs to be focused and concentrated on Kiev, Kharkov etc.

The weakness of democracy in times of crisis has forever come from internal division within - and although I'm sure that's not your intent - that is indeed what your argument does. Don't look here at the atrocity, look here instead at a different issue or agenda.

The West should address Palestine etc - but not at a time when cruise missiles are pounding civilian cities.

I understand, but disagree. That we have failed to condemn illegal wars and war criminals is just as important as focusing on Ukraine today. We've failed in the past and will fail again, the lives this will cost are worthy of attention.

When we kick off another illegal war in 5 years time, just for our media to back it and public to ignore it, what can we do? Now is the time to force people to address this hypocrisy, when outrage at the very things we are complicit in are ignored elsewhere.

I take your point, but we are not divided on the issue of Ukraine, I imagine everyone on this thread ultimately agrees that Putin is wrong and should be stopped.

However, I do imagine many people on this thread have voted for people complicit in war crimes. Raising awareness of this now may prevent people doing it in the future.

 

[Davalon]

Whilst I get some comparisons to a point, I'm not sure there needs to be too much whataboutery at present.

What's happening to the Ukrainian people is abhorrent and unnecessary.

Makes me laugh some of the saddoes on my social media feeds over the last few days. Never once criticised Putin but constantly moaning about various Tories instead.

 

[VM198]

You can't educate the stupid and it's only the stupid who would sing that crap. Many russians hate Putin and do not want war.

If this is so why don't the Russian people rise and dethrone Putin and his like.
I believe they are the only ones who can stop the death and destruction on both sides.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Whilst I get some comparisons to a point, I'm not sure there needs to be too much whataboutery at present.

What's happening to the Ukrainian people is abhorrent and unnecessary.

Makes me laugh some of the saddoes on my social media feeds over the last few days. Never once criticised Putin but constantly moaning about various Tories instead.

We haven't elected Putin. The Russian people haven't elected Putin (legitimately). That an evil dictator would commit a war crime isn't too surprising. He doesn't need public support to justify his actions as he his a dictator.

When a democratically elected government commits and supports war crimes, whilst simultaneously expressing outrage at another for doing the same, it should not be accepted by the citizens of that nation. It needs discussing, arguably more urgently then saying, "Putin bad" and "war bad", as though that's news to anyone.

 

[SheepdipBlade]

I understand, but disagree. That we have failed to condemn illegal wars and war criminals is just as important as focusing on Ukraine today. We've failed in the past and will fail again, the lives this will cost are worthy of attention.

When we kick off another illegal war in 5 years time, just for our media to back it and public to ignore it, what can we do? Now is the time to force people to address this hypocrisy, when outrage at the very things we are complicit in are ignored elsewhere.

I take your point, but we are not divided on the issue of Ukraine, I imagine everyone on this thread ultimately agrees that Putin is wrong and should be stopped.

However, I do imagine many people on this thread have voted for people complicit in war crimes. Raising awareness of this now may prevent people doing it in the future.

I have sympathy with what you're saying, but can see no way in which we could instigate proceedings against UK war criminals (whoever you have mind) etc - without that distracting from Putins War. I'd be open to your suggestions.

Bear in mind that as we stand, Putin is intent on regime change in Ukraine, has openly stated he wants to recreate the USSR (which must include Georgia and other democracies) and even the Russian Empire (Finland, Poland) and had today demanded the rest of Europe removed its US nuclear deterrent, whilst preparing his own nukes. The Ukrainian media has today accused Johnson (the most incompetent UK leader in a generation) of not realising WW3 has already begun. (And that's before we get to China and Taiwan)

Is now really the time to get distracted?

 

[Panini]

I understand, but disagree. That we have failed to condemn illegal wars and war criminals is just as important as focusing on Ukraine today. We've failed in the past and will fail again, the lives this will cost are worthy of attention.

When we kick off another illegal war in 5 years time, just for our media to back it and public to ignore it, what can we do? Now is the time to force people to address this hypocrisy, when outrage at the very things we are complicit in are ignored elsewhere.

I take your point, but we are not divided on the issue of Ukraine, I imagine everyone on this thread ultimately agrees that Putin is wrong and should be stopped.

However, I do imagine many people on this thread have voted for people complicit in war crimes. Raising awareness of this now may prevent people doing it in the future.

I echo these comments entirely.

The 'never again' sentiment shouted loudly after wars that did affect the mainland UK has been diluted a lot over the generations since then, to the point that it's barely heard today.

Unfortunately I have the impression that there are many people are fine with war as long as their side 'wins'.

 

[AWetFlannel]

I have sympathy with what you're saying, but can see no way in which we could instigate proceedings against UK war criminals (whoever you have mind) etc - without that distracting from Putins War. I'd be open to your suggestions.

Bear in mind that as we stand, Putin is intent on regime change in Ukraine, has openly stated he wants to recreate the USSR (which must include Georgia and other democracies) and even the Russian Empire (Finland, Poland) and had today demanded the rest of Europe removed its US nuclear deterrent, whilst preparing his own nukes. The Ukrainian media has today accused Johnson (the most incompetent UK leader in a generation) of not realising WW3 has already begun. (And that's before we get to China and Taiwan)

Is now really the time to get distracted?

Think you've expressed your point here in its most effective form, and I sort of agree.

In my head, things I say can have no impact on the war as it's being driven by a dictator (and possibly a madman). As I'm powerless to act on the war, I moan about the people we do have an impact on - our media and politicians.

You are right though, that even if I got what I wanted, now would be a poor time to sort it out. I think because it's so unlikely to happen, I don't even consider the implications of what I'm hoping for.

 

[SheepdipBlade]

Think you've expressed your point here in its most effective form, and I sort of agree.

In my head, things I say can have no impact on the war as it's being driven by a dictator (and possibly a madman). As I'm powerless to act on the war, I moan about the people we do have an impact on - our media and politicians.

You are right though, that even if I got what I wanted, now would be a poor time to sort it out. I think because it's so unlikely to happen, I don't even consider the implications of what I'm hoping for.

I'm not sure you're as powerless as you feel mate. As an ex Greenpeace activist I feel I've played a part in a raft of changes around marine pollution, atmospheric pollution etc. In a democracy we have a number of ways to effect change over and above the ballot box (though Priti Patel is trying to close these down) We're lucky to live where we do - which is a far cry from saying the UK/West is perfect, or even decent.

It's simply a case of picking your battles in the right time and place mate - and I'll be with you on Palestine (dunno enough to have a proper opinion on Yemen or on your comments about UK war criminals).

 

[Alan Roberts' Jinking Run]

If this is so why don't the Russian people rise and dethrone Putin and his like.
I believe they are the only ones who can stop the death and destruction on both sides.

You try rising when if you do you end up being murdered or at best imprisoned. Think about it for gods sake! Why do you think the UK govt at present are trying to criminalise protesting? It's how totalitarian regimes control dissent and the tories are in cahoots with the ruskies so learn from the masters.