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This thread is really quite fascinating. There are 2 Israeli psychology professors who did loads of research on preconception. They identified that we very quickly come to an opinion about something - and then preferentially see things that support our original opinion and ignore things that go against it. They then turned this theory into the use of analytics, which objectively quantified performance rather than subjectively reacting to it. This was done with huge success in the appointment of tank commanders in the Israeli army.

This same approach was then applied to baseball - and hence the Moneyball book and film about the true story of the unlikely triumph of the Oakland Athletics. After that Michael Lewis, who wrote the Moneyball book, wrote The Undoing Project about those Israeli professors. This was really the birth of sports analytics - because scouts before that would come to a general opinion about a player and not see the one particular attribute that could be beneficial to the overall team.

I have fallen into that trap many times - because I like a player who plays at 100 mph and throws himself into the game for 95 minutes. I still react like that, but try to go through highlights afterwards to counteract my initial reactions.

Oli McB gives a very lazy, uncommitted appearance as he lopes around the pitch - but our club is well-versed in analytics. If he were not seen to be contributing in some quantifiable way, in training and in matches, to the overall team performance he would not be on the pitch or even on the bench.
 



His record pre us says he’s exactly that. In this very division.

And in his first season in the Prem with a lack of chances, it was a respectable tally to go with decent performances. We’ve used him as a kick it, head it battering ram for most of his time here, he’s never been that.
As this thread deteriorates, and various posters dig holes to the center of the earth to justify their opinions, I think this point is being missed.
How many times in the last couple of years did we horribly see Mc B up front with his back to goal, elbows askew, fighting to win and layoff a ball hoofed up to him?
The most pleasing thing to me right now is we’re starting to put round pegs into round holes and playing to individual strengths.
 
The polarisation of opinions on the McBurnie and Berge threads are incredible. There is hardly any middle ground, both either shit or amazing. I'm in the middle on both of them, my opinion is that they have to show me that they are decent before I say it though. Playing in a confident side will hopefully help with that.

I did chuckle at halt time last night though. They called MGW and McBurnie into the changing room, they re-emerged a few minutes later and I think it was RND looked at McBurnie who just laughed and gave a massive 👎👎 to him and then carried on with his half time routine. I give him stick for his 'bantz' but that was actually funny.
 
This thread is really quite fascinating. There are 2 Israeli psychology professors who did loads of research on preconception. They identified that we very quickly come to an opinion about something - and then preferentially see things that support our original opinion and ignore things that go against it. They then turned this theory into the use of analytics, which objectively quantified performance rather than subjectively reacting to it. This was done with huge success in the appointment of tank commanders in the Israeli army.

This same approach was then applied to baseball - and hence the Moneyball book and film about the true story of the unlikely triumph of the Oakland Athletics. After that Michael Lewis, who wrote the Moneyball book, wrote The Undoing Project about those Israeli professors. This was really the birth of sports analytics - because scouts before that would come to a general opinion about a player and not see the one particular attribute that could be beneficial to the overall team.

I have fallen into that trap many times - because I like a player who plays at 100 mph and throws himself into the game for 95 minutes. I still react like that, but try to go through highlights afterwards to counteract my initial reactions.

Oli McB gives a very lazy, uncommitted appearance as he lopes around the pitch - but our club is well-versed in analytics. If he were not seen to be contributing in some quantifiable way, in training and in matches, to the overall team performance he would not be on the pitch or even on the bench.
Top class post for those who thought those bras were to hold up man boobs
 
Involved 5 times in what is a contender for our goal of the season last night… But yeah he was really shit wasn’t he?

Have a word.
I just watched the goal again to see if I was doing him an injustice, but for Gods sake give it a rest he got 5 short passes into his feet under no pressure and just gave the ball back with 5 short passes. Literally anyone in our set up including the U18s could have done that, anyone. Honestly some of you are taking a £20 million pound who is supposed to be a goal scorer centre forward and making him out to be a great player who has great games by doing the very basic of being a footballer and I mean the very basics. How about him having a great game by doing what we bought him for, not only is he not going to do that but he will hinder our promotion push is he starts games.
 
You're making shit up. Show me a direct quote where I've mentioned anything about being able to do what Mcburnie did in the build up to the second goal.

I was discussing the 2nd goal with another poster and you decided to stick your oar in with your "Me and you could've..." comment (post #102). If you weren't referring to what I was talking about you should be more careful with your quotes.

You're hardly one to be accusing others of 'making shit up' having had to backtrack on your comments this morning about McBurnie not being a starter under any of the previous 3 managers.
 
I was discussing the 2nd goal with another poster and you decided to stick your oar in with your "Me and you could've..." comment (post #102). If you weren't referring to what I was talking about you should be more careful with your quotes.

You're hardly one to be accusing others of 'making shit up' having had to backtrack on your comments this morning about McBurnie not being a starter under any of the previous 3 managers.
So you can't quote me. Apology accepted. To be clear I haven't and don't need to backtrack over anything I've said regarding Mcburnie. He was a marquee signing and hence was picked when he first came. It's my belief that Wilder lost faith in him and the 2 subsequent managers didn't and don't fancy him as a starting option either. But covid. Like others have said he should be playing more now due to our injury crisis. The proof of the pudding and all that.
 



So you can't quote me. Apology accepted. To be clear I haven't and don't need to backtrack over anything I've said regarding Mcburnie. He was a marquee signing and hence was picked when he first came. It's my belief that Wilder lost faith in him and the 2 subsequent managers didn't and don't fancy him as a starting option either. But covid. Like others have said he should be playing more now due to our injury crisis. The proof of the pudding and all that.
So do you not take his form prior to playing for us into account as proof to the fact he can score goals at this level, quite a lot infact?
And he simply may have struggled over the past season and half for a number of reasons, and is now suffering from a lack of confidence to go with a lack of fitness, sharpness and a tad of rustiness.
 
So you can't quote me. Apology accepted. To be clear I haven't and don't need to backtrack over anything I've said regarding Mcburnie. He was a marquee signing and hence was picked when he first came. It's my belief that Wilder lost faith in him and the 2 subsequent managers didn't and don't fancy him as a starting option either. But covid. Like others have said he should be playing more now due to our injury crisis. The proof of the pudding and all that.

I did, Post #102. If you had incorrectly used the quote function when making that comment that's hardly my issue.

So McBurnie was never a starting player under Wilder? Not even during the first Prem season where he started the majority of our games. "It's my belief..." I'd possibly come to the same conclusion if I also ignored all of the available facts.

But Covid what? Am I wrong on that front, has he not been out of the side with Covid? Your proof that Heckingbottom doesn't fancy him is that he hasn't decided to change a winning side just to give McBurnie a start.
 
So do you not take his form prior to playing for us into account as proof to the fact he can score goals at this level, quite a lot infact?
And he simply may have struggled over the past season and half for a number of reasons, and is now suffering from a lack of confidence to go with a lack of fitness, sharpness and a tad of rustiness.
Absolute fluke season, never to be replicated. I'll be kind and give him rustiness but when he's fit he's not fit.
 
Absolute fluke season, never to be replicated. I'll be kind and give him rustiness but when he's fit he's not fit.
What about the half season for Barnsley before, one of the worst sides in the division? Where he got 1 in 2?

Also, every time he played against us before we signed him - he scored. Flukes? 😂
 
So McBurnie was never a starting player under Wilder? Not even during the first Prem season where he started the majority of our games.
I clearly stated he'd started under Wilder. Try reading the post.
Your proof that Heckingbottom doesn't fancy him is that he hasn't decided to change a winning side just to give McBurnie a start.
He made 4 changes to the winning side at Birmingham. Mcburnie wasn't one of them. Not very good at this are you?
 
What about the half season for Barnsley before, one of the worst sides in the division? Where he got 1 in 2?

Also, every time he played against us before we signed him - he scored. Flukes? 😂
Half season. Your grasping now. Aiden Flints scored as many as him against us. A fucking centre half.
 
Sharp puts it in the onion bag and has done all his career. If Mcburnie could do that you may have an argument.

Sharp has played 1,903 minutes in the league this season.
McBurnie has played 454 minutes.

He has to be on the pitch to score goals. And a 10 or 15minute cameo every so often isn't going to help.

Brewster for example, is it a coincidence that he started scoring and playing well when he was starting games, but also being played as a CF instead of a Right Mid?

McBurnie has started 3x league games.
 
Sharp has played 1,903 minutes in the league this season.
McBurnie has played 454 minutes.

He has to be on the pitch to score goals. And a 10 or 15minute cameo every so often isn't going to help.

Brewster for example, is it a coincidence that he started scoring and playing well when he was starting games, but also being played as a CF instead of a Right Mid?

McBurnie has started 3x league games.
Totally agree. Why is he spending so few minutes on the pitch, even when fit? Why has he dropped so far down the pecking order? Before the JTW he was vying for 5th or 6th spot amongst our strikers with Oli Burke. Why is that?
 



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