Norwood's stats. 96 games-2 goals-2 assists.

[Rudders]

There is a reason Norwood retired front international football a few years ago now he should just retire.

A bit harsh, In a better team with other better players around him then I think he would be okay for a championship play off push

 

[blade too long]

They even got it wrong last night on telly. Wasn't his last goal that pen at BDTBL against Villa a billion years ago?

He had a shot last night. 'Wand of a right foot' so someone said.

Ball ended up hitting Simonsen's in orbit around Mars

pommpey

he actually said a wandering right foot

 

[gordoncharles]

His day isn't over IMO within this squad

With some new investment in midfield then yes ...

But there won't be any investment and he will therefore play. When he isn't chosen we tend not to retain the ball or have much inventiveness - MGW & I Ndiaye arent midders

The question of whether he will still play for us is a very different one than saying his days as a good quality midfield player are over.

To re-iterate.... his days are over.

 

[Bashamed]

Probably in top 3 most important players when we went up and first season in prem. Goal and assist stats for players like him don't tell you much about how he played

 

[Revolution]

Probably in top 3 most important players when we went up and first season in prem. Goal and assist stats for players like him don't tell you much about how he played

On the contrary, his assist stats tell you a hell of a lot. He’s stopped creating goals. And given he can’t tackle and isn’t good at tracking back, this is a serious problem.

And of course we addressed this by signing his clone on loan in the last transfer window.

 

[Bell4]

The question of whether he will still play for us is a very different one than saying his days as a good quality midfield player are over.

To re-iterate.... his days are over.

Then his days aren't over if he continues to play for us

 

[raul]

Only here to thank Sitters for "Get felt", an insult I've not heard since 1978.

On topic, Sander is often excused because "he needs better players around him", does the same not apply to ON?

 

[jt64]

League stats from Transfermarkt.

18/19 - 3 goals, 9 assists.
19/20 - 1 goal, 1 assist.
20/21 - 0 goals, 0 assists.
21/22 - 0 goals, 1 assist.

Abysmal reading for ANY midfielder.

Here's some stats for a midfielder in the Premier League, same source as yours:

16/17 - 1g/1a
17/18 - 1g/1a
18/19 - 4g/4a
19/20 - 3g/0a
20/21 - 0g/2a

Seems to be the same sort of ballpark as Norwood, if you say 18/19 is a little bit of an outlier. Good job you're not a Chelsea fan telling Tuchel to get rid of that awful Kante

 

[Revolution]

Here's some stats for a midfielder in the Premier League, same source as yours:

16/17 - 1g/1a
17/18 - 1g/1a
18/19 - 4g/4a
19/20 - 3g/0a
20/21 - 0g/2a

Seems to be the same sort of ballpark as Norwood, if you say 18/19 is a little bit of an outlier. Good job you're not a Chelsea fan telling Tuchel to get rid of that awful Kante

That’s a ridiculous comparison.

Kante can tackle and break up play. He’s everywhere. Norwood cannot do that.

 

[Bashamed]

On the contrary, his assist stats tell you a hell of a lot. He’s stopped creating goals. And given he can’t tackle and isn’t good at tracking back, this is a serious problem.

And of course we addressed this by signing his clone on loan in the last transfer window.

Overall I mean. You could look at those stats and think he was rubbish in 18/19 and 19/20 when really he was excellent

 

[jt64]

That’s a ridiculous comparison.

Kante can tackle and break up play. He’s everywhere. Norwood cannot do that.

It is as equally ridiculous as looking at pure scorepoints and saying someone is shit as the other guy did

 

[Revolution]

Overall I mean. You could look at those stats and think he was rubbish in 18/19 and 19/20 when really he was excellent

9 assists and 3 goals is not rubbish. He was great in 2018-19.

In 2019-20 he was very good. We scored a lot less, of course, but he played his part in a unit that was very effective. That completely broke down last season, and has barely improved this season.

 

[Revolution]

It is as equally ridiculous as looking at pure scorepoints and saying someone is shit as the other guy did

It is abundantly clear that Norwood is not the player he was in 2018-9. The stats and watching him play both bear this out.

 

[jt64]

It is abundantly clear that Norwood is not the player he was in 2018-9. The stats and watching him play both bear this out.

I don't disagree

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

It is as equally ridiculous as looking at pure scorepoints and saying someone is shit as the other guy did

If the other guy is me then you made the bit up where I said he was shit.

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

The "Toxic Ollie" zone! Those were the days.

I believe you are referring to my post there young sir! Well, might have taken a while, but I was right.....wasn't I?

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

But still takes corners and free kicks? Go figure!

 

[Cheesebored]

But still takes corners and free kicks? Go figure!

Hourihane took plenty at Preston where we tried a few different routines. Norwood's volley over the bar being one of them.

 

[Guesty]

I believe you are referring to my post there young sir! Well, might have taken a while, but I was right.....wasn't I?

Haha, I can't remember the ins and outs although I vaguely remember the original thread.

I know we used Toxic Ollie as an affectionate nickname for a while, in the same way as League One Wes.

 

[jt64]

If the other guy is me then you made the bit up where I said he was shit.

That's odd, I certainly didn't interpret you saying his stats were "Abysmal reading for ANY midfielder" as a ringing endorsement. English isn't my first language, I must learn better

 

[Nade]

Even if the stats were true, he does a lot of unseen work.

 

[gordoncharles]

Then his days aren't over if he continues to play for us

FFS

 

[Bell4]

FFS

Get a grip

 

[Scarebus]

To really appreciate Norwood, we need to forget actual goal contributions and dig deep into micro goal contribution stats. Pre assists, pre pre assists, successful long balls leading to a pre assist, expected pre assists. That shit has to exist somewhere, if only to make him appear half competent.

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

That's odd, I certainly didn't interpret you saying his stats were "Abysmal reading for ANY midfielder" as a ringing endorsement. English isn't my first language, I must learn better

What’s odd is you seem to think any given observation on a player has to either be a ringing endorsement or calling them shit. My post was neither.

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

Norwood seems an extreme case of a “confidence player” to me. His talents are obvious. That said, so are his weaknesses.

Yes he plays DM but he did so back in 18/19 when he played a big part for the team offensively. He seems to suffer more than most with not believing in the talent he has. He gives off the impression that he’s feeling sorry for himself and has done for a season and half now. That’s possibly his biggest weakness. It’s a shame because when he’s on form certain parts of his game are of a very high standard.

 

[John Cutsbushes]

We will miss him when he's gone, makes us tick, sets the tempo, be a hard act to follow.

 

[pommpey]

We will miss him when he's gone, makes us tick, sets the tempo, be a hard act to follow.

What?

How does he make us tick? He's all over the shop. He gets beaten for pace, possession and passion. He trots about the midfield and rarely successfully challenges and wins the ball and spends all of his other time pointing ... pointlessly because no fucker is listening to him. We already have a captain to direct the on field strategy. When he is on the ball he's constantly looking up to lamp it out to the wingbacks who are already being marked or who simply aren't there. He never sets goals up and rarer still scores.

Tell me exactly what in that is 'making us tick'?

When he's gone, we can actually start making moves to turn the midfield from being a static, beatable liability to something which dominates the game.

pommpey

 

[bongleblade]

Not checked, but…


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has utd player ever held the captaincy, had that many appearances, and been so disliked by a fair few in our fanbase?

 

[S64 Blade]

We will miss him when he's gone, makes us tick, sets the tempo, be a hard act to follow.

By your definition, if he’s the one who makes us tick, he’s therefore the reason for our failures, as there’s no tick.