Rebuild

[1889]

That's very true. Difference being I wouldn't have paid him anything if he was quitting.

Why would we? Some archaic notion of gratitude? He got a new contract almost every year with an uptick on wages he was happy to sign on for. Wasn't that gratitude enough? I doubt he got anywhere near 4m either. He may have been asking for that but him spending all the cash and us having none left to give him hardly constituted constructive dismissal. Neither does us refusing to spend good money after bad when he had us marooned.

I agree, not sure where that figure came from but I’m pretty confident he got some kind of payoff, hopefully it’ll be itemised in the next set of accounts

 

[Bladezz]

I think we all need to get over CW now

We signed Olsen / Davies / Guediola/ Hourihane / MGW / Illiman (obviously couldn’t play to contract issue but he’s basically a new player for us)

Your talking 50% new starting 11. If this team is successful now or unsuccessful it’s nothing down to CW.

In regards a rebuild it costs money we don’t have it. We wouldn’t sell players cheaply so how do you recoup money for out of form players ? When we want a premium. Say Swansea came in for Mcburnie and offered £3m would we accept it? I don’t think we would. Rumours wolves were interested and we wanted stupid figures.

To rebuild a side we need to sign players like Hill from Fleetwood but these players from League one are now commanding £1-2m fees. Boro signed a kid from America for £2m. There’s no cheap £500k deals anymore. I just don’t see us havjng the money to rebuild.

 

[Champagneblade]

I think we all need to get over CW now

We signed Olsen / Davies / Guediola/ Hourihane / MGW / Illiman (obviously couldn’t play to contract issue but he’s basically a new player for us)

Your talking 50% new starting 11. If this team is successful now or unsuccessful it’s nothing down to CW.

In regards a rebuild it costs money we don’t have it. We wouldn’t sell players cheaply so how do you recoup money for out of form players ? When we want a premium. Say Swansea came in for Mcburnie and offered £3m would we accept it? I don’t think we would. Rumours wolves were interested and we wanted stupid figures.

To rebuild a side we need to sign players like Hill from Fleetwood but these players from League one are now commanding £1-2m fees. Boro signed a kid from America for £2m. There’s no cheap £500k deals anymore. I just don’t see us havjng the money to rebuild.

Wilder probably bought in about 10 players each summer.

You are right that we need to move on but I don't think that borrowing 4 players that won't be here after June, signing one on a free until the summer and tying down one player we already had gets him off the hook from this being his mess.

We simply need to find a way to win with the current mish mash and finish top 6.

That also sounds very simplistic but we are not playing your Fulhams every week. Unlike some teams that get relegated we haven't been decimated by vultures pulling apart our first team. We lost Ramsdale. That's it. With the exception of West Brom, Bournemouth and Fulham the same set of players could have drawn any of the rest of the division in the cup, expected to be heavily rotated and still expected to cruise home.

To be fair to them too, we beat Fulham, were robbed vs Bournemouth and lost to West Brom on the back of the revelation the first choice keeper refused to turn up at the 11th hour.

On reflection, the game we just lost was very tight and lacking quality but they are a legitimately dangerous team despite their turmoil. Notwithstanding the points deduction they are doing as well as ourselves so losing away to them is perhaps not the calamity it seems though the performance after already playing Wolves being so 'rusty' is stretching people's patience somewhat. Not being 'at it' when you've already played away at Wolves and put in a second half when you also weren't 'at it' isn't acceptable from these players and they need to get their shit together sharpish and start earning their wages.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

I think we all need to get over CW now

We signed Olsen / Davies / Guediola/ Hourihane / MGW / Illiman (obviously couldn’t play to contract issue but he’s basically a new player for us)

Ndiaye was given his debut 2 days after CW's resignation was confirmed.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

I don't like anyone that when we are doing well flaunts round on skysports and talksport but as soon as the going gets tough goes into hiding

The Cowardly Prince.
Hiding behind his big pal Yusuf, Chairman of the football club despite knowing nothing about football.
Embarrassing.

 

[Prem owner needed]

Are we wetting the bed because we've been crap in an away defeat, or did I miss all these comments after the win at Fulham?

No, the comments have always been there kno@s@ck.

 

[guancheblade]

I’m not going to lie and say I always though prince was shit because I didn’t, I genuinely backed him but it’s not a coincidence that 2 of the 3 main teams have experienced relegation and the 3rd team (beerschot) look all but certain to be relegated as well

He's also seen two promotions in that time

 

[adamawdhali]

He's also seen two promotions in that time

Not as full owner

 

[Nick Jansky]

No, the comments have always been there kno@s@ck.

If you play the poster instead of the post it actually makes you look like exactly what you have called him.

 

[Balham]

If you play the poster instead of the post it actually makes you look like exactly what you have called him.

What's a kno@s@ack? Is that a child's swearword?

 

[Groucho Blade]

Under this owner the rebuild will have to be done with free transfers and Academy players.

I said it when Hecky got the job but success for him during his tenure is to keep us out of League one over the next five years, he will have achieved a minor miracle if he does it,

The only way I think we avoid it over the next few season is if somehow we get new owners..

Or some of the academy kids will have to become regular first-teamers. And not just in two year’s time…we need at least a couple of them to step up next season and the same again the season after…etc

If that’s the plan, and no one’s come up with an alternative yet, it’s gonna have to start working pretty soon.

It’s a lot to ask.

 

[Harry's Game]

Or some of the academy kids will have to become regular first-teamers. And not just in two year’s time…we need at least a couple of them to step up next season and the same again the season after…etc

If that’s the plan, and no one’s come up with an alternative yet, it’s gonna have to start working pretty soon.

It’s a lot to ask.

And the occasions in recent times when the academy has produced some real talent we haven’t built around it, we have sold it in no time,

 

[Yogi]

Or some of the academy kids will have to become regular first-teamers. And not just in two year’s time…we need at least a couple of them to step up next season and the same again the season after…etc

If that’s the plan, and no one’s come up with an alternative yet, it’s gonna have to start working pretty soon.

It’s a lot to ask.

It’s too much to ask in my opinion. That would require some to do what Ndiaye and Brooks did and break through direct from the academy and I don’t see anyone who looks like a championship player playing for the 23’s right now.

Now Jebbison will be ready next year but will we keep him? Maybe Lopata, Neal or Brunt handles the huge jump from national league to the championship but that’s highly unlikely in one year.

Maguire and Arblaster have been impressive this year but they’re at least a year or two away. Brooks, Seriki and Osula impressed last year but haven’t improved their standing this year for a variety of reasons.

Maybe one of two of the academy signings pan out and do so quickly but that’s a huge gamble. In short best case scenario is you get 2 academy players breaking through next year including Jebbison. That’s not enough to constitute a rebuild and there’s no guarantee they’ll be at the club long enough for any of the others to break through and enable us to build a homegrown nucleus.

Now that process can be sped up and the chances of success improved if we supplement the academy and academy signings with additions to the senior squad they can even be free transfers but they have to be the right type of acquisitions. Top academies release players in their early 20’s all the time that leave and start playing first team football immediately at league one and championship level. The championship and prem is dotted with players that have had that happen to them we need to be aggressive in targeting and acquiring those players if we’re not going to be able to pay fees for them once they’re proven in league one. Brentford did it to great effect as have other clubs.

 

[Blacksea]

If you take our recent examples of what can be said to be development players,Lundstram and Bryan,both struggled to make an impact or any immediate impact at all.Lundstram eventually did make it,but still divided opinion,Bryan was a failure,both after years of development.The ones we paid big money for in the PL have not made the desired impact at all,so the recruitment team are going to have to up their game on a pretty big way to bring in the players who will develop into first team regulars who will move us forward as individuals and part of a team with a good sell on value and without needing years to break through.

 

[adamawdhali]

This will probably sounds like I’m overreacting but in my opinion we should just start the rebuild now. Sell berge for as much as you can, sell some of the others and start some of the younger players or at least give them a clearer pathway.

Ignore silly bastard who wrote this. Blayards are going up

 

[jono_t2000]

Time for a pinch of reality.

The size of our rebuild was always at a scale of 3 transfer windows minimum.

We started the season with a bit of form and consistency and suddenly I think people have lost sight of the above fact.

In reality this was always penciled into be a consolidation season and finishing top 10 would be good, finishing in the playoffs great, and finishing in automatic promotion spots unthinkable.

Time to reel in those expectations my friends.

 

[Charlieblade]

Time for a pinch of reality.

The size of our rebuild was always at a scale of 3 transfer windows minimum.

We started the season with a bit of form and consistency and suddenly I think people have lost sight of the above fact.

In reality this was always penciled into be a consolidation season and finishing top 10 would be good, finishing in the playoffs great, and finishing in automatic promotion spots unthinkable.

Time to reel in those expectations my friends.

I think I have posted similar, but less eloquent in recent weeks. In an ideal world, the rebuild might be completed in JTW, but that supposed an owner with a wallet full of cash. Unlikely to happen.

Waiting longer will expose our limited talent like Hamer and Arblaster, to more temptation from above.

Even if we fluke the play offs, the squad is unlikely to make a dent in the EPL. At this rate, even the pigs might get there first. (Did I really just say that)?

 

[Houston_Blade]

Waiting longer will expose our limited talent like Hamer and Arblaster, to more temptation from above.

It’s ok, Wilder is already selling Leeds and Boro to them in his post match interviews.

 

[Charlieblade]

I am tempted, but reluctant to have a go at Wider, unless he loses at home to Cardiff or the pigs.
Until then, he is a much better manager than I am.

We lost to Leeds and Boro! Not unexpected by me but still disappointed. Rest the flimsy O’Hare and move on.

 

[Lane Ender]

Time for a pinch of reality.

The size of our rebuild was always at a scale of 3 transfer windows minimum.

We started the season with a bit of form and consistency and suddenly I think people have lost sight of the above fact.

In reality this was always penciled into be a consolidation season and finishing top 10 would be good, finishing in the playoffs great, and finishing in automatic promotion spots unthinkable.

Time to reel in those expectations my friends.

I’d take top ten now

 

[Westran]

2 results away against good teams out of 11 so far don't make the season. Maybe you should all stop wetting yourselves and look to the few games coming up.

 

[loyalblade95]

A long way to go yet but if we don't get promoted this year, we lose Hamer and Arblaster, probably Anel and Vini, not to mention the loans who will return to their parent clubs.

Whether we get promoted or not (as we would likely keep those players if we get promoted), we will still be in a good position to complete the rebuild in the summer, either using the Premier League money or the money we will get for the players who move on.

 

[RecordBreakers]

2 results away against good teams out of 11 so far don't make the season. Maybe you should all stop wetting yourselves and look to the few games coming up.

We haven't been good all season apart from Preston Luton. We've just got over the line most games. It isn't good despite what the league table says

 

[loyalblade95]

We haven't been good all season apart from Preston Luton. We've just got over the line most games. It isn't good despite what the league table says

Maybe so, but I don't think any team (including us) have really stood out and impressed just yet.

We've lost our last 2 games (against tough away sides), but the sides in and around us have all dropped points throughout the season.

WBA had a great start to the season, lost to pigs and haven't looked the same since, Leeds dropped points to both Burnley and Sunderland.

There's more competition this season than there was when we got promoted under Hecky, and even in that season, we didn't take many points off of those teams who were in and around us (Sunderland were the only ones we beat twice that season).

Anyone chasing promotion this season will find it tough (definitely tougher than last season as well), given the amount of good teams competing for promotion, we'll just have to see what happens.