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Do people realise what will happen if we do? We will replace them with cheap inferior shite. Look at what is happening with Olsen, we are getting rid of him and replacing him with Stokes 3rd choice, who has never done anything of note anywhere. I'm not saying Olsen has been brilliant, but he's a far better keeper than Fielding. We had a manager who knew how to get out of this division, and he was sacked because the board had no interest in backing him and bringing in the players he/we needed. Our only hope this season is hoping Hecky can get Berge, Mcburnie etc playing well week in week out. Once these players have been sold, I worry about our future. The board have basically told us they lost interest, we need to do something this season, or our promotion hopes are over until the Prince finds a buyer (which I get a bad feeling could be years). Sorry to be negative, but this is how I see it .
 



Do people realise what will happen if we do? We will replace them with cheap inferior shite. Look at what is happening with Olsen, we are getting rid of him and replacing him with Stokes 3rd choice, who has never done anything of note anywhere. I'm not saying Olsen has been brilliant, but he's a far better keeper than Fielding. We had a manager who knew how to get out of this division, and he was sacked because the board had no interest in backing him and bringing in the players he/we needed. Our only hope this season is hoping Hecky can get Berge, Mcburnie etc playing well week in week out. Once these players have been sold, I worry about our future. The board have basically told us they lost interest, we need to do something this season, or our promotion hopes are over until the Prince finds a buyer (which I get a bad feeling could be years). Sorry to be negative, but this is how I see it .
The problem is that there are no takers to help remotely refund the 120m we spent on shite.

There's going to have to be a period of unravelling that little shitbox before we see more investment. We're lumbered also with their wages and to be honest I can completely understand the reluctance to add further wages before some housekeeping is done with those currently on the wage bill.
 
Based on what I’ve seen of Berge’s enthusiasm he wants to leave I think and as for McBurnie I think he’s got ability but it’s just not happened here at all he probably needs a fresh start himself unless he turns a corner but cutting wages back in championship with no real hope of promotion is natural and tbh unless we get more investment think this will be the cycle every 15 years or so. UTB.
 
The chances of getting WIlder's signings to suddenly start shitting Tiffany cufflinks is vanishingly tiny now. The system we built was flawed and unsustainable and now clearly hampered by naïve purchases in the transfer market. Many of these have been here well over two seasons, absolutely no one came in for any of them in a relegation fire sale (save for Ramsdale, good luck with that chancer) and we are stuck with daft contracts and player now capable of being beaten by assumed lower quality teams with lesser value. In short, we've been done. We are lumbered with expensive, low-quality assets and the culpable people are no longer at the club. Blame HRH all you want but Wilder must have wanted Mousset, Berge, Burke, McBurnie, Brewster and must have convinced the board they were needed and capable of making United into a PL sustainable team.

pommpey
 
The chances of getting WIlder's signings to suddenly start shitting Tiffany cufflinks is vanishingly tiny now. The system we built was flawed and unsustainable and now clearly hampered by naïve purchases in the transfer market. Many of these have been here well over two seasons, absolutely no one came in for any of them in a relegation fire sale (save for Ramsdale, good luck with that chancer) and we are stuck with daft contracts and player now capable of being beaten by assumed lower quality teams with lesser value. In short, we've been done. We are lumbered with expensive, low-quality assets and the culpable people are no longer at the club. Blame HRH all you want but Wilder must have wanted Mousset, Berge, Burke, McBurnie, Brewster and must have convinced the board they were needed and capable of making United into a PL sustainable team.

pommpey
Remember when we laughed at Jordan Rhodes and the 8-10m they wasted?

Talk about hold my beer!
 
Do people realise what will happen if we do? We will replace them with cheap inferior shite. Look at what is happening with Olsen, we are getting rid of him and replacing him with Stokes 3rd choice, who has never done anything of note anywhere. I'm not saying Olsen has been brilliant, but he's a far better keeper than Fielding. We had a manager who knew how to get out of this division, and he was sacked because the board had no interest in backing him and bringing in the players he/we needed. Our only hope this season is hoping Hecky can get Berge, Mcburnie etc playing well week in week out. Once these players have been sold, I worry about our future. The board have basically told us they lost interest, we need to do something this season, or our promotion hopes are over until the Prince finds a buyer (which I get a bad feeling could be years). Sorry to be negative, but this is how I see it .
A few facts rather than assumptions would help.
 
We need to get rid of all the likes of McBurnie, Moussett, Berge, Burke, Freeman, none of them have got the stomach for a fight, in every appearance their stock is falling. We need to reluctantly forget about the transfer fees we paid and get get them off the wage bill.

Then hopefully we will be able to recruit a few players and see what some of the Academy lads have to offer, I just think that may throw up a few surprises and lads who ordinarily wouldn’t have got a chance may be just what we need. At the very least I t’d be a refreshing change to see some passion 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
If we can teach Brewster how to lead a line, there's maybe a good player in there but Moose is never fit, Berge is just unsuitable to us as a club and McBurnie seems more bothered with other stuff.

Shift 3 of those and you're saving £100kpw/£5 million pa.

Get rid of Freeman and Burke and that's another £2-3 million

Sharp, Jebbo, McGoldrick, Osulu, Ndiaye, Ayari as your attackers
 
Is this a serious thread or just a regurgitation of the same old 'Wilder got sacked' bullshit? For fucks sake, can you imagine these little petals if he really did get the boot?

Listen, our 100% Bladey Blade gaffer snuck out the back door with his pockets full of cash. He left us with over one hundred million quids worth of shit that he couldn't get a tune from. He stuck with the likes of Lundstram, despite beating his chest about 'if they don't want to play for us then they can go', or whatever the line was and as well as it started, that chapter couldn't have ended any worse than it did.

As to sacking crap players off then crack on, the owner has no intention of failing and no matter how much bile you spout he's fucking light years ahead of McCabe. Have some patience and enjoy the ride.
 
We have to sell players soon as we won’t have the money left from parachute payments since we’ve taken loans out against them and the Rammers money…
Could you give us a handle on how much short-term borrowing we've done ? Have we already borrowed against the entire projected parachute payments and the Rammers fee instalments ?
Just how precarious is our cashflow ?
And what of the long-term borrowing for the purchase of the Lane & other fixed assets ? How much of that loan remains to be repaid ?
If we were wound up tomorrow , would there be anything left apart from the freehold (assuming for this purpose that the playing squad is worth nothing ... Which is about right) ?
Just wondering , because there are fans out there who think we might be able to pay a fee to bring in a permanent CB in January.
Is that a financial fantasy ?
 
We need to get rid of all the likes of McBurnie, Moussett, Berge, Burke, Freeman, none of them have got the stomach for a fight, in every appearance their stock is falling. We need to reluctantly forget about the transfer fees we paid and get get them off the wage bill.

Then hopefully we will be able to recruit a few players and see what some of the Academy lads have to offer, I just think that may throw up a few surprises and lads who ordinarily wouldn’t have got a chance may be just what we need. At the very least I t’d be a refreshing change to see some passion 🤷🏻‍♂️
And how do you "get rid" of all those players 1889? They will sit there picking up their wages until the contracts run out (as anyone would do) unless someone is mad enough to buy them and pay them the same money. Sorry pal but i'm afraid we are stuck with them.
 
To think of the money we’re pissing away on the like of McBurnie, Mouse, Berge, Burke, Freeman is frightening. What are we paying them for??
Mouse and McBurnie have a total of 3 goals between them, for what best part of £70k a week combined?
Oh how we laughed at the Pigs when they did this a few years ago.
And then the club proceeded to emulate them.
We're not laughing now.
But Wilder is , he got out just before the majority of fans realised what he'd done.
Exactly what he promised to avoid doing.
Fucking up our finances beyond all recognition.
FUBAR.
 



The problem is that there are no takers to help remotely refund the 120m we spent on shite.

There's going to have to be a period of unravelling that little shitbox before we see more investment. We're lumbered also with their wages and to be honest I can completely understand the reluctance to add further wages before some housekeeping is done with those currently on the wage bill.
It’s a good job that we received £250m or so income to spend the £120m! We shouldn’t need financially to recoup the money. We should be looking to build. How come every team who goes up and spends more than us comes down and still spends to get out the division.

We know Boro is shot topic at the moment but they bought a midfielder for a couple of million. Without parachute payments?

Yes people can be annoyed that the players aren’t performing but our problems are so much bigger than a current manager.
 
It’s a good job that we received £250m or so income to spend the £120m! We shouldn’t need financially to recoup the money. We should be looking to build. How come every team who goes up and spends more than us comes down and still spends to get out the division.

We know Boro is shot topic at the moment but they bought a midfielder for a couple of million. Without parachute payments?

Yes people can be annoyed that the players aren’t performing but our problems are so much bigger than a current manager.
I don't mean to offend mate but that is quite a simplistic view and I wouldn't want you to kid yourself that everyone who comes down goes on a mass splurge and we are the odd ones out.

There isn't 130m 'left' from 250m. 120m is what we spent on transfer fees alone. You can probably add something daft like another 10m on Agent fees or more. Taking just Berge. McBurnie, Mousset and Brewster, they are probably on at least 120k per week between them. Some 3 year deals, some are 4. You are looking at a commitment up to 25m just for their wages alone and that is 4 players. The wage bill is probably 70m and now we cannot count on the tv money. Reminder our turnover when we were in league one was not much more than 10m. There is a huge potential drop off and we cannot just deal with it later.

What you say about spending simply isn't true except for Fulham who have a guy who has more money than sense.

Even Bournemouth who are owned by a billionaire as an example:

20/21 -
Total sales - 84m - Aké (Man City), Ramsdale (Blades), Wilson (Newcastle), Arter (Forest).
Total purchases - 0m
21/22 -
Total sales - 24m - Danjuma, Sturridge, Rico
Total purchases - 5m

Take Norwich:
20/21 -
Total sales - 40m - Godfrey (Everton), Lewis (Newcastle)
Total purchases - 12m

We need to be very sensible for a while now and ride this out. Hopefully we can pick up the odd loan like Gibbs-White who makes the difference between a mid table team and a play off team which may elevate the values of some players.

The issue is, like him or loathe him, Chris saddled us, since promotion with players that have negative equity. I.e. if we sold them now we'd make a huge loss on them which probably wouldn't pay for the money we still owe on them, with fees often spread over the duration of the contract. So you either sell them cheap and take the hit or you hope they improve through circumstances e.g. a loan player or two comes in and makes the whole team perform better.

But being sensible, spending more money, whilst still paying for these prior purchases just isn't a viable option.

The Prince for all his detractors is guilty of 2 things (1) not being richer than he is. (2) going all in on Chris' judgment.

Throwing more money and therefore more debt isn't an option. And if you were the Prince, wouldn't you at least half expect some return on the 120m yet the team we have now is arguably less competitive than the one that got promotion last time.
 
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I don't mean to offend mate but that is quite a simplistic view and I wouldn't want you to kid yourself that everyone who comes down goes on a mass splurge and we are the odd ones out.

There isn't 130m 'left' from 250m. 120m is what we spent on transfer fees alone. You can probably add something daft like another 10m on Agent fees or more. Taking just Berge. McBurnie, Mousset and Brewster, they are probably on at least 120k per week between them. Some 3 year deals, some are 4. You are looking at a commitment up to 25m just for their wages alone and that is 4 players. The wage bill is probably 70m and now we cannot count on the tv money. Reminder our turnover when we were in league one was not much more than 10m. There is a huge potential drop off and we cannot just deal with it later.

What you say about spending simply isn't true except for Fulham who have a guy who has more money than sense.

Even Bournemouth who are owned by a billionaire as an example:

20/21 -
Total sales - 84m - Aké (Man City), Ramsdale (Blades), Wilson (Newcastle), Arter (Forest).
Total purchases - 0m
21/22 -
Total sales - 24m - Danjuma, Sturridge, Rico
Total purchases - 5m

Take Norwich:
20/21 -
Total sales - 40m - Godfrey (Everton), Lewis (Newcastle)
Total purchases - 12m

We need to be very sensible for a while now and ride this out. Hopefully we can pick up the odd loan like Gibbs-White who makes the difference between a mid table team and a play off team which may elevate the values of some players.

The issue is, like him or loathe him, Chris saddled us, since promotion with players that have negative equity. I.e. if we sold them now we'd make a huge loss on them which probably wouldn't pay for the money we still owe on them, with fees often spread over the duration of the contract. So you either sell them cheap and take the hit or you hope they improve through circumstances e.g. a loan player or two comes in and makes the whole team perform better.

But being sensible, spending more money, whilst still paying for these prior purchases just isn't a viable option.

The Prince for all his detractors is guilty of 2 things (1) not being richer than he is. (2) going all in on Chris' judgment.

Throwing more money and therefore more debt isn't an option. And if you were the Prince, wouldn't you at least half expect some return on the 120m yet the team we have now is arguably less competitive than the one that got promotion last time.

We also had to buy the ground etc from the biggest blade ever.. There's clearly fuck all money left and we need to get the expensive duds like brewster, berge, McBurnie out as soon as possible
 
Berge is just unsuitable to us as a club
Yes, because he’s nowhere near as good as everyone thinks he is and he prances around the pitch getting bullied by midgets and playing 5 yard passes to put his teammates in trouble rather than putting a shift in.

Not because he’s amazing and we’re shitty old Sheffield United like some would have you believe.
 
Any thread at all which mentions the selling of McBurnie, Brewster, Berge, Burke, take your bleeding pick of the rest, is completely redundant as we are lumbered with them until their contracts expire.

This is so completely obvious as I actually blush in putting it here in writing, yet some people still think we can? We couldn't give those players away because, and I genuinely think some fans don't realise this, we pay them all generous salaries; and despite us having had notoriously parsimonious owners down the ages, those salaries are way above the current market value of any of them.

The only solution is to find a club where the manager and owner are so desperate that they'll take one on loan, more in hope than expectation, and pay, at least, a reasonable proportion of their costs.

That won't happen either, because these players although all have had some small measure of success in their careers to date with other clubs, are so bereft of confidence, belief, and in some cases footballing ability, that only their previous managers would surely hold any of them still in the slightest regard. On the subject of the latter, one bloke's managed all of them and even he doesn't seem interested.
 
I don't mean to offend mate but that is quite a simplistic view and I wouldn't want you to kid yourself that everyone who comes down goes on a mass splurge and we are the odd ones out.

There isn't 130m 'left' from 250m. 120m is what we spent on transfer fees alone. You can probably add something daft like another 10m on Agent fees or more. Taking just Berge. McBurnie, Mousset and Brewster, they are probably on at least 120k per week between them. Some 3 year deals, some are 4. You are looking at a commitment up to 25m just for their wages alone and that is 4 players. The wage bill is probably 70m and now we cannot count on the tv money. Reminder our turnover when we were in league one was not much more than 10m. There is a huge potential drop off and we cannot just deal with it later.

What you say about spending simply isn't true except for Fulham who have a guy who has more money than sense.

Even Bournemouth who are owned by a billionaire as an example:

20/21 -
Total sales - 84m - Aké (Man City), Ramsdale (Blades), Wilson (Newcastle), Arter (Forest).
Total purchases - 0m
21/22 -
Total sales - 24m - Danjuma, Sturridge, Rico
Total purchases - 5m

Take Norwich:
20/21 -
Total sales - 40m - Godfrey (Everton), Lewis (Newcastle)
Total purchases - 12m

We need to be very sensible for a while now and ride this out. Hopefully we can pick up the odd loan like Gibbs-White who makes the difference between a mid table team and a play off team which may elevate the values of some players.

The issue is, like him or loathe him, Chris saddled us, since promotion with players that have negative equity. I.e. if we sold them now we'd make a huge loss on them which probably wouldn't pay for the money we still owe on them, with fees often spread over the duration of the contract. So you either sell them cheap and take the hit or you hope they improve through circumstances e.g. a loan player or two comes in and makes the whole team perform better.

But being sensible, spending more money, whilst still paying for these prior purchases just isn't a viable option.

The Prince for all his detractors is guilty of 2 things (1) not being richer than he is. (2) going all in on Chris' judgment.

Throwing more money and therefore more debt isn't an option. And if you were the Prince, wouldn't you at least half expect some return on the 120m yet the team we have now is arguably less competitive than the one that got promotion last time.
Spot on
 
It’s a good job that we received £250m or so income to spend the £120m! We shouldn’t need financially to recoup the money. We should be looking to build. How come every team who goes up and spends more than us comes down and still spends to get out the division.

We know Boro is shot topic at the moment but they bought a midfielder for a couple of million. Without parachute payments?

Yes people can be annoyed that the players aren’t performing but our problems are so much bigger than a current manager.
Farcical figures - you suggest that the fairies have run away with £130m ?
Wages mate.
You seem to be disappointed that our owner was never a man who was born in S2 and willing to throw substantial amounts of his own money at the Club - that's a pointless gripe - it's not his fault that no one else was prepared to own us - he never professed to be a sugar daddy but he gave Wilder every penny of the income , which is as fair as he could be.
Where I would fault the Prince now is that he's run away now it's become clear that without an immediate return to the PL , we're financially as fucked as the Pigs - in fact probably worse , because at least their owner is a billionaire , though he's limited by FFP.
 
I don't mean to offend mate but that is quite a simplistic view and I wouldn't want you to kid yourself that everyone who comes down goes on a mass splurge and we are the odd ones out.

There isn't 130m 'left' from 250m. 120m is what we spent on transfer fees alone. You can probably add something daft like another 10m on Agent fees or more. Taking just Berge. McBurnie, Mousset and Brewster, they are probably on at least 120k per week between them. Some 3 year deals, some are 4. You are looking at a commitment up to 25m just for their wages alone and that is 4 players. The wage bill is probably 70m and now we cannot count on the tv money. Reminder our turnover when we were in league one was not much more than 10m. There is a huge potential drop off and we cannot just deal with it later.

What you say about spending simply isn't true except for Fulham who have a guy who has more money than sense.

Even Bournemouth who are owned by a billionaire as an example:

20/21 -
Total sales - 84m - Aké (Man City), Ramsdale (Blades), Wilson (Newcastle), Arter (Forest).
Total purchases - 0m
21/22 -
Total sales - 24m - Danjuma, Sturridge, Rico
Total purchases - 5m

Take Norwich:
20/21 -
Total sales - 40m - Godfrey (Everton), Lewis (Newcastle)
Total purchases - 12m

We need to be very sensible for a while now and ride this out. Hopefully we can pick up the odd loan like Gibbs-White who makes the difference between a mid table team and a play off team which may elevate the values of some players.

The issue is, like him or loathe him, Chris saddled us, since promotion with players that have negative equity. I.e. if we sold them now we'd make a huge loss on them which probably wouldn't pay for the money we still owe on them, with fees often spread over the duration of the contract. So you either sell them cheap and take the hit or you hope they improve through circumstances e.g. a loan player or two comes in and makes the whole team perform better.

But being sensible, spending more money, whilst still paying for these prior purchases just isn't a viable option.

The Prince for all his detractors is guilty of 2 things (1) not being richer than he is. (2) going all in on Chris' judgment.

Throwing more money and therefore more debt isn't an option. And if you were the Prince, wouldn't you at least half expect some return on the 120m yet the team we have now is arguably less competitive than the one that got promotion last time.
Transfer fees paid are usually written off over the term of the contract ie 4 years/ 20 million is written off 5 million a year giving a reduced book value YOY
So after two years at the club the player is valued at 10 million
So If sell for 12 million, makes 2 million profit in the accounting years
 
Given that we had 2 seasons in the PL and relegated as one of the three just last season, it is galling to see that we are not financially competitive in the Championship and stinks of financial mismanagement.

The Blades Way !

UTB
 
Any thread at all which mentions the selling of McBurnie, Brewster, Berge, Burke, take your bleeding pick of the rest, is completely redundant as we are lumbered with them until their contracts expire.

This is so completely obvious as I actually blush in putting it here in writing, yet some people still think we can? We couldn't give those players away because, and I genuinely think some fans don't realise this, we pay them all generous salaries; and despite us having had notoriously parsimonious owners down the ages, those salaries are way above the current market value of any of them.

The only solution is to find a club where the manager and owner are so desperate that they'll take one on loan, more in hope than expectation, and pay, at least, a reasonable proportion of their costs.

That won't happen either, because these players although all have had some small measure of success in their careers to date with other clubs, are so bereft of confidence, belief, and in some cases footballing ability, that only their previous managers would surely hold any of them still in the slightest regard. On the subject of the latter, one bloke's managed all of them and even he doesn't seem interested.
We are totally fucked , and when the Prince finally realised there was no chance of an immediate return to the PL , despite recruiting a Slav who'd done it twice before , he exited stage left without even appearing , not even by video , at the appalling swansong press-conference.
Even the chance of some Saudi money disappeared into the Barcodes.
Hecky may well choose not to play McKnob , Brewster's Millions , Berge , Moosefat , Burkey Whizz , Lukey Freeman etc etc ... , But they'll all be here till their expensive contracts end.
What a lovely thought - any money I give to dem Blades goes towards keeping in luxury a set of useless twats who don't even turn out for the team !
I don't trust myself to use my ST these days in case I bump into one of them and in a rush of blood commit some act which I might regret.
As Chrissie Hinde sang
There's a thin line between love and hate.
 
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Transfer fees paid are usually written off over the term of the contract ie 4 years/ 20 million is written off 5 million a year giving a reduced book value YOY
So after two years at the club the player is valued at 10 million
So If sell for 12 million, makes 2 million profit in the accounting years
Accountants can sell you shares in Enron.
Cashflow is king.
There's no cash flowing at the Lane.
The owner's puppets told you that at a press conference you'll never forget.
 
I don't mean to offend mate but that is quite a simplistic view and I wouldn't want you to kid yourself that everyone who comes down goes on a mass splurge and we are the odd ones out.

There isn't 130m 'left' from 250m. 120m is what we spent on transfer fees alone. You can probably add something daft like another 10m on Agent fees or more. Taking just Berge. McBurnie, Mousset and Brewster, they are probably on at least 120k per week between them. Some 3 year deals, some are 4. You are looking at a commitment up to 25m just for their wages alone and that is 4 players. The wage bill is probably 70m and now we cannot count on the tv money. Reminder our turnover when we were in league one was not much more than 10m. There is a huge potential drop off and we cannot just deal with it later.

What you say about spending simply isn't true except for Fulham who have a guy who has more money than sense.

Even Bournemouth who are owned by a billionaire as an example:

20/21 -
Total sales - 84m - Aké (Man City), Ramsdale (Blades), Wilson (Newcastle), Arter (Forest).
Total purchases - 0m
21/22 -
Total sales - 24m - Danjuma, Sturridge, Rico
Total purchases - 5m

Take Norwich:
20/21 -
Total sales - 40m - Godfrey (Everton), Lewis (Newcastle)
Total purchases - 12m

We need to be very sensible for a while now and ride this out. Hopefully we can pick up the odd loan like Gibbs-White who makes the difference between a mid table team and a play off team which may elevate the values of some players.

The issue is, like him or loathe him, Chris saddled us, since promotion with players that have negative equity. I.e. if we sold them now we'd make a huge loss on them which probably wouldn't pay for the money we still owe on them, with fees often spread over the duration of the contract. So you either sell them cheap and take the hit or you hope they improve through circumstances e.g. a loan player or two comes in and makes the whole team perform better.

But being sensible, spending more money, whilst still paying for these prior purchases just isn't a viable option.

The Prince for all his detractors is guilty of 2 things (1) not being richer than he is. (2) going all in on Chris' judgment.

Throwing more money and therefore more debt isn't an option. And if you were the Prince, wouldn't you at least half expect some return on the 120m yet the team we have now is arguably less competitive than the one that got promotion last time.
Spot on buddy
 



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