Newcastle and Berge

[DronnieBlade]

But we both hope he will become class. That really isn’t my point. He’s been poor for us so far, and it’s up to him to get a grip of his game and improve. Same for McBurnire, same for Brewster.

The endless excuses for lack of performance, so far, should stop. Berge has to own it.

If he remains here and if he gets a settled run in the side, I am confident that with the team as a whole putting in better performances, we will see a much improved Berge, especially at this level.

I disagree he has been poor. Tad disappointing yes, but I think there have been mitigating circumstances thus far. Could be wrong of course and we have added another duffer to the ranks .

UTB

 

[alcoblade]

Tad disappointing yes, but I think there have been mitigating circumstances thus far. Could be wrong of course and we have added another duffer to the ranks .

UTB

We’ve listed 19 above, and it’ll soon break 30 I suspect

 

[alcoblade]

Actually, we have broken new ground above;

20) The expectation of how good a player might be is in no way linked to the tens of millions you might have spent.

 

[Bell4]

How many permanent signings did we make in the last window ?
After raising money from Ramsdale + being in DIRE NEED of a physically dominant CB.
Yet we end up helping Liverpool out of a jam by taking powderpuff Davies on loan.
I mean , what more evidence do you need other than our lack of refreshing& rebalancing the squad.
Did you see that feckin capitulation of a press conference when Hecky was appointed ? They might as well have said
"We're all fucking off into the shadows and leaving Bettis & Hecky to preside over the cost-cutting - we're not even going to leave you with the owner's son-in-law or some Yankee lawyer as a token Chairman in Sheffield - so bye for now"

Spot on

 

[SouthportBlade]

Actually, we have broken new ground above;

20) The expectation of how good a player might be is in no way linked to the tens of millions you might have spent.

Fully agreed he's been very disappointing, and fully agreed its down to him to improve.

Circumstances / Excuses / Berge Bingo don't improve his performances so far, nor make them what one might expect or be happy with.

However, some of them do give a bit of context into possible reasons why he (and many others in the team have been crap for the last 2 years) hasn't been a runaway success and to just ignore them and revert to "he's shit" just feels a bit too black and white in a grey world.

I'm of the view he's a very talented lad, I'm also of the view he might end up being one of those signings who we never see the best of.

 

[alcoblade]

Fully agreed he's been very disappointing, and fully agreed its down to him to improve.

Circumstances / Excuses / Berge Bingo don't improve his performances so far, nor make them what one might expect or be happy with.

However, some of them do give a bit of context into possible reasons why he (and many others in the team have been crap for the last 2 years) hasn't been a runaway success and to just ignore them and revert to "he's shit" just feels a bit too black and white in a grey world.

I'm of the view he's a very talented lad, I'm also of the view he might end up being one of those signings who we never see the best of.

Agreed with all of that. You won't find a post where I've said that Berge is shit - I've only ever questioned some silly notions that get repeated - that his performance so far for us have been good, the idea that his value may have actually risen in his time here, and that his inadequacies so far should be explained away with the 20 Berge bingo points raised.

 

[Bladesman]

I think Berge is someone we will probably not see the best of. Sods law he got the bad hamstring injury he got when he had just started settling in more and getting regular games in the PL. Then he comes back from injury this season looks like he has scored the winner against Preston and boom he is injured again.

I am not going to lay into some of the players for their recent injuries as it appears there is something not right at the club. Players have been dropping all over the place lately Brewster, MGW, McBurnie, Baldock, Stevens, Fleck, Didsy, even Mr Fit Billy Sharp. I know some of the absentees have been COVID related but most of ours this season have been injuries. Some of which seem to be hamstring problems.

Especially when you look at the uncertainty over the Brewster hamstring injury (He is fucked, no he isn't, actually he might be a bit fucked. Suddenly he is fine now and back in training)

 

[Houston_Blade]

Agreed with all of that. You won't find a post where I've said that Berge is shit - I've only ever questioned some silly notions that get repeated - that his performance so far for us have been good, the idea that his value may have actually risen in his time here, and that his inadequacies so far should be explained away with the 20 Berge bingo points raised.

This exactly.

It's back to the good old internet forum notion that you have to have a polar opinion.

He's obviously a good footballer, but for Sheffield United he's been extremely underwhelming/poor. With any luck he'll start putting in the dominant displays that we've been told will come with a run of games, until then I'll remain unimpressed and the apologists can apologise on his behalf.

 

[Micky Narker]

Hopefully toon splash 40M on McBurnie and Berge.

 

[Addison]

I think Berge is someone we will probably not see the best of. Sods law he got the bad hamstring injury he got when he had just started settling in more and getting regular games in the PL. Then he comes back from injury this season looks like he has scored the winner against Preston and boom he is injured again.

I am not going to lay into some of the players for their recent injuries as it appears there is something not right at the club. Players have been dropping all over the place lately Brewster, MGW, McBurnie, Baldock, Stevens, Fleck, Didsy, even Mr Fit Billy Sharp. I know some of the absentees have been COVID related but most of ours this season have been injuries. Some of which seem to be hamstring problems.

Especially when you look at the uncertainty over the Brewster hamstring injury (He is fucked, no he isn't, actually he might be a bit fucked. Suddenly he is fine now and back in training)

Which is why you have to question why its more important to appoint Boothroyd to a convoluted youth consultant post than fill the glaringly obvious vital post of Head of Sports Science. The management of injuries and fitness has to take priority surely?

 

[Bladesman]

Which is why you have to question why its more important to appoint Boothroyd to a convoluted youth consultant post than fill the glaringly obvious vital post of Head of Sports Science. The management of injuries and fitness has to take priority surely?

Well the jobs being advertised isn't it?

 

[Addison]

Well the jobs being advertised isn't it?

We've advertised for a physio but not sure that fully meets the remit of a Head of Sports Science with control over all fitness and medical matters.

 

[Houston_Blade]

We've advertised for a physio but not sure that fully meets the remit of a Head of Sports Science with control over all fitness and medical matters.

It's a cunning plan. Get them in as a physio on low wages, then tell them they're doing the rest when they're in post

 

[Bladesman]

It's a cunning plan. Get them in as a physio on low wages, then tell them they're doing the rest when they're in post

A bit like PA when Hecky was appointed.

You and Steven are running the club now, cya later. Cheers!

P.S. Give me a call if we get promoted.

 

[Badger Blade]

This exactly.

It's back to the good old internet forum notion that you have to have a polar opinion.

He's obviously a good footballer, but for Sheffield United he's been extremely underwhelming/poor. With any luck he'll start putting in the dominant displays that we've been told will come with a run of games, until then I'll remain unimpressed and the apologists can apologise on his behalf.

The opinions on Berge and others all boil down to what we paid for him and what he's delivered relative to that fee, same as with McBurnie, Brewster and Mousset (to a slightly lesser extent than the others). They can't help what the fee was but regardless, you still have to turn up and perform and by and large, none of them have. If we'd plucked Berge from Norway for next to nothing, Brentford-style or Brewster was an academy kid who'd been released like with Brooks and neither had worked out, it'd be a case of sending them out on loan or letting them go without consequence, like with Nathan Thomas and Ben Henegan.

I've made the point before that based on Wilder's signings, it appeared to me that because he got to the Premier League with a team of cast offs, that he could sign anybody and it would simply work but we've seen that it doesn't and if you do spend big money, you have to do it wisely and its plain to see that besides Ramsdale nobody will be leaving here for any significant fee.

We'll end up paying big chunks of Berge, McBurnie and Brewster's wages for years if we were to get rid of them while they were still contracted because they've hardly got clubs in the Premier League queueing up for their signatures. Its a lose-lose however you slice it unless they all have some kind of epiphany and become the players they were marketed as being but I won't hold my breath.

 

[TopBoy]

Berge is an odd one. He seems to play half-paced, almost as if he's playing in a friendly or he has a bigger game in 2 day.
I still think that his best position is in the deep midfielder role with a license to drive forward when it suits. He's continually been played on the right hand side of a three and while he can do a job there its a square peg in a round hole. He could also play in our current setup as a right-sided centre half.

 

[Badger Blade]

He could also play in our current setup as a right-sided centre half.

In that case he'd better get some heading practice in and a personality transplant into being the big nasty git we've needed at the back since O'Connell got injured!

 

[Elkmooseloose]

What a whining bunch you lot are, really Berge was out from december last season. Then he got 5 games in the beginning of the season/preseason and then out again and now, what, 1, 45, and 79 minutes so far this time. And he has had some serious injuries and been out for a long time.

You don't think his performance might have something with that? What do you expect in a total of 120 minutes after being out for a year except 5 games in August/September. It might be an idea to let him get match fit and see what happens..

Ypu might still make money of him, there is a really good player in there. But his injury record is scary. He was out for a long time in Genk in 17/18 also. I think he has missed approx. a total of 2 seasons in all injuries, and he is not that old. THAT is the problem here. Injuries. From his perspective his he has moved, been in the covid bubble, then injured and worked his way back, then injured again, not been able to play for his national team and career might be going down the drain due to his problems.

 

[Keen Blade]

Berge is an odd one. He seems to play half-paced, almost as if he's playing in a friendly or he has a bigger game in 2 day.
I still think that his best position is in the deep midfielder role with a license to drive forward when it suits. He's continually been played on the right hand side of a three and while he can do a job there its a square peg in a round hole. He could also play in our current setup as a right-sided centre half.

RCB ? Are you on drugs ? That time you saw him jump for a header was an LSD trip.

 

[BadgersBigToe]

What a whining bunch you lot are, really Berge was out from december last season. Then he got 5 games in the beginning of the season/preseason and then out again and now, what, 1, 45, and 79 minutes so far this time. And he has had some serious injuries and been out for a long time.

You don't think his performance might have something with that? What do you expect in a total of 120 minutes after being out for a year except 5 games in August/September. It might be an idea to let him get match fit and see what happens..

Ypu might still make money of him, there is a really good player in there. But his injury record is scary. He was out for a long time in Genk in 17/18 also. I think he has missed approx. a total of 2 seasons in all injuries, and he is not that old. THAT is the problem here. Injuries. From his perspective his he has moved, been in the covid bubble, then injured and worked his way back, then injured again, not been able to play for his national team and career might be going down the drain due to his problems.

Hope you’re fully fit now Sander….good luck

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

Hopefully toon splash 40M on McBurnie and Berge.

They'd only need to meet the £29.99 buy-out clause mate.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

The only bingo I’m playing is to tick off the negative comments from the usual suspects. I could make a comment about Berge in reply to a post from 2019 in the ownership forum, and watch half a dozen come running.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Today will put a massive dent in any chances of him getting a move above League 1, he was dogshit

 

[Bladezz]

i think a player in his situation has 2 options

1. Play his heart out for a move
2. Ensure don’t get injured let agent organise a move in the summer.

We see Darren Smith on Twitter with his links to the Prince. He mentions about loaning him to Newcastle etc. Berge stock across Europe still seems high (his agent rightly so will be slagging the club of around Europe thag his player is at a crap club and needs a move and that his poor performances are nothing to do with him)

Coast through to the summer and get a good move injury free.

I would be going with option 2 personally and I think most would go with that advice too.

 

[Wincobank S9 Blade]

Don’t see the big hype with him at all yes he’s got ability he’s strong a decent ball carrier but he never seems arsed weather that’s to do with him wanting a move I’m not sure. Injury prone too same as Mousset I’d cash in tbh so might have to change my photo

 

[BobblesBlade]

Bemused at the criticism, bordering on ridicule and abuse. Berge had an average game in his first start in months. Playing in a holding role in front of a new defence against a team that likes to counter attack , I'm sure he was instructed to not be too advanced. He didn't misplace many passes, didn't dominate, but more than held his own against some top class opponents. In the ratings section on this site he's got the team's highest scores, but his usual critics spotted all of the imperfections, and seem to take great joy in pointing out how poor he was and how little he's really worth. I'd put less emphasis on his running style, his transfer fee or the transfer rumours, because it seems to affect people's judgement.

Berge is not a world beater. He won't ever be great in the air, nor strong in the tackle. He won't tear up the Championship, or any other league. He's a decent footballer who can carry the ball and put more attacking players in good positions to create something. He is unusally fast for a big guy, but he's not tenacious. I look forward to seeing him in the same side as MGW and Ndiaye, and hopefully we'll see more of his good qualities pretty soon.

I’ve turned against him a bit as I had real high hopes we’d signed a top player. You and others are right though, if you look at our squad in general most panic and kick the ball wherever they can. With Berge it’s more calm and calculated. Maybe if we had more technical and composed players we’d see just how good he is.

 

[alcoblade]

Maybe if we had more technical and composed players we’d see just how good he is.

For the love of God!

Tick

 

[sitwell]

For the love of God!

Tick

Have we had global warming , PMT or the Tories yet ?

 

[Alan Birchenall's hair]

Have we had global warming , PMT or the Tories yet ?

He'll still be here in 30 years, and the excuse will be 'going through the menopause'