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I started this under the MGW thread and then realised I'd gone a little down a rabbit hole so here are some thoughts on the lead up to the Boro game starting off with MGW.

MGW's injury may perversely do us a favour.

There isn't much point Wolves recalling a guy to cover Hwang, who is also out injured. By the time the window closes both would expect to be back so it would seem a somewhat futile gesture and represent a status quo with Gibbs-White's development still better served playing week in week out at United.

The fact we play Wolves is probably one of the best blessings of all. It's hardly urgent to have him back for Wolves, even if he is fit by the 9th and it's not as if we will be missing him for that game either as he'd not be logically allowed to play anyhow.

I suppose the question should really be how we cover his absence in the meantime.

McGoldrick is an obvious starter and only missed out against Fulham due to covid restrictions.

So whilst moving Sander into the XI has some logic, I really don't want to go back to a flat midfield three which never really succeeded at this level for us and I'd find slightly negative.

What I always found negated a little our formation (or 3-5-2 generally) was when we were faced with 3 forwards.

4-3-3 often seemed to pose a challenged because unlike 4-4-2, where you effectively have a centre half 'free' you don't get the same luxury if you play against either 4-3-3 or 3-4-3 and push the wider players on.

So for me, rather than just match up and trade two teams 3-5-2, in which case I would still hope that Berge. Norwood and Hourihane/Fleck would be superior to Crooks, McNair and Tevernier, I'd prefer to see the more mobile players take on the Boro backline. I think McGoldrick, who is very good at occupying spaces between lines and N'Diaye's sublime dribbling would present difficulty to the likes of Bamba and Fry.

Chris will be motivated. But for the Boro players this is not their derby game. For United, there will be no lack of individual motivation. Yes, there will have been an appreciation for what he has done for their careers but their most recent memory is a guy who had become tetchy and could not find solutions when the same players looked to him for leadership and to be fair to @FM Blade, who often makes reference to this as a turning point, he's the guy who berated them as League One or Championship players after losing to Leicester even in the first season.

I'd definitely have Sharp up front. I think he would be most motivated of all. I think their relationship was more complicated than just two Blades living the dream together, captain or not. It can't have been lost on Billy that at crucial times Chris wasn't averse to not backing his captain. He inexplicably threw James Wilson on ahead of him in the home Derby, he favoured Leon over him in the first Championship season and having profited from his 23 goals in 40 matches, rather than give his talisman the chance to live his dream, he basically spent the best part of 35m trying to deny it him (McBurnie, Mousset, Robinson) the first season, (despite him having outperformed both Robinson and McBurnie the previous year) and 23m on Brewster and Burke px the second. He only gave Billy 10 starts out of 36 Premiership matches he was available for in season one and just 6 starts in season two out of 28 he was a available for under Chris (discount Leicester).

I find that quite a remarkable about turn having basically fired the team to promotion to then be afforded just a quarter of the available starts. It's hardly anything yet despite this, he was still the one - gaining a point vs Bournemouth and Fulham and getting winners against Norwich, Newcastle, West Brom and scoring in the win vs Bournemouth.

If anything Billy has every right to have an axe to grind with Chris, being dropped immediately, still proving him wrong by scoring against Bournemouth and continuing to be marginalised as Chris persevered with his big money signings.

I personally just think it is a pity that what could have been Billy's big moment of his career was dampened by Chris' apparent desire to replace him. Maybe the manager sees this as ruthlessness shining through but 60m later it seems like a misplaced notion to replace someone who didn't need replacing and money poorly spent.
 



I started this under the MGW thread and then realised I'd gone a little down a rabbit hole so here are some thoughts on the lead up to the Boro game starting off with MGW.

MGW's injury may perversely do us a favour.

There isn't much point Wolves recalling a guy to cover Hwang, who is also out injured. By the time the window closes both would expect to be back so it would seem a somewhat futile gesture and represent a status quo with Gibbs-White's development still better served playing week in week out at United.

The fact we play Wolves is probably one of the best blessings of all. It's hardly urgent to have him back for Wolves, even if he is fit by the 9th and it's not as if we will be missing him for that game either as he'd not be logically allowed to play anyhow.

I suppose the question should really be how we cover his absence in the meantime.

McGoldrick is an obvious starter and only missed out against Fulham due to covid restrictions.

So whilst moving Sander into the XI has some logic, I really don't want to go back to a flat midfield three which never really succeeded at this level for us and I'd find slightly negative.

What I always found negated a little our formation (or 3-5-2 generally) was when we were faced with 3 forwards.

4-3-3 often seemed to pose a challenged because unlike 4-4-2, where you effectively have a centre half 'free' you don't get the same luxury if you play against either 4-3-3 or 3-4-3 and push the wider players on.

So for me, rather than just match up and trade two teams 3-5-2, in which case I would still hope that Berge. Norwood and Hourihane/Fleck would be superior to Crooks, McNair and Tevernier, I'd prefer to see the more mobile players take on the Boro backline. I think McGoldrick, who is very good at occupying spaces between lines and N'Diaye's sublime dribbling would present difficulty to the likes of Bamba and Fry.

Chris will be motivated. But for the Boro players this is not their derby game. For United, there will be no lack of individual motivation. Yes, there will have been an appreciation for what he has done for their careers but their most recent memory is a guy who had become tetchy and could not find solutions when the same players looked to him for leadership and to be fair to @FM Blade, who often makes reference to this as a turning point, he's the guy who berated them as League One or Championship players after losing to Leicester even in the first season.

I'd definitely have Sharp up front. I think he would be most motivated of all. I think their relationship was more complicated than just two Blades living the dream together, captain or not. It can't have been lost on Billy that at crucial times Chris wasn't averse to not backing his captain. He inexplicably threw James Wilson on ahead of him in the home Derby, he favoured Leon over him in the first Championship season and having profited from his 23 goals in 40 matches, rather than give his talisman the chance to live his dream, he basically spent the best part of 35m trying to deny it him (McBurnie, Mousset, Robinson) the first season, (despite him having outperformed both Robinson and McBurnie the previous year) and 23m on Brewster and Burke px the second. He only gave Billy 10 starts out of 36 Premiership matches he was available for in season one and just 6 starts in season two out of 28 he was a available for under Chris (discount Leicester).

I find that quite a remarkable about turn having basically fired the team to promotion to then be afforded just a quarter of the available starts. It's hardly anything yet despite this, he was still the one - gaining a point vs Bournemouth and Fulham and getting winners against Norwich, Newcastle, West Brom and scoring in the win vs Bournemouth.

If anything Billy has every right to have an axe to grind with Chris, being dropped immediately, still proving him wrong by scoring against Bournemouth and continuing to be marginalised as Chris persevered with his big money signings.

I personally just think it is a pity that what could have been Billy's big moment of his career was dampened by Chris' apparent desire to replace him. Maybe the manager sees this as ruthlessness shining through but 60m later it seems like a misplaced notion to replace someone who didn't need replacing and money poorly spent.
Could turn thread in to a book pal it's certainly long enough
 
Yes. Your threads and replies are much more insightful and worthy of reading.
Can't believe you dropped into the forums lap. It's great!
Thank you pal. Although part of me thinks your being sarcastic.

In fairness that post is far to long. Don't think heckys post match or pre match are that long.
 
With respect pal how long did you spend preparing that. You age 6 years just reading half 😂😂😂😂
Now then, you leave our Champers alone, he's like our resident wordsmith 😍

Champagneblade in response to your original post, I obviously remember Wilder not favouring Sharp but it never quite seen it spelt out that strikingly, and the mind does boggle. Made even worse by the fact that as you say, he was replaced by strikers he'd actually outperformed, and now continues to outperform!

In Wilder's defence, there were times when Sharp's overall game looked out of his depth at PL level.
 
Thank you pal. Although part of me thinks your being sarcastic.

In fairness that post is far to long. Don't think heckys post match or pre match are that long.
your being sarcastic……..…aaaaaaaaaaaaagh!

Everyone makes typing errors and I generally overlook them but your persistent use of ‘your‘ instead of ‘you are‘ is nearly as bad as ‘should of‘ instead of ‘should have’.
Thank you for making me want to smash every tooth in my head just for some pain relief.
 
Could turn thread in to a book pal it's certainly long enough
If you think that post was long, I hope you don’t ever chance upon any of the threads on Blades history. You’ll be demanding them being banned.
 
Anyway, back to the point of the thread......

Do we know if Davis is available or will Robinson get another run out on the Left??
MGW appears to be out, so, eather drop Ndiaye back or Didzy plays as a 10?
Berge could be in contention to play, hopefully Fleck is over his issues too.
Sharp up top surely, cant see as we have any other option??
 
Thank you pal. Although part of me thinks your being sarcastic.

In fairness that post is far to long. Don't think heckys post match or pre match are that long.
You've had 3 posts so far and said nowt!

What's your actual view on the OP?

Or do we need to move your comments to the lost your head thread?

😉
 



Good post mate. agreed Billy may have an axe to grind, and we all know Billy plays best with an axe to grind.

I also think NDiaye might have a little gripe too, and will want to show Chris why he should’ve got that contract sorted a lot quicker.

It’s going to be an absolute classic i reckon
 
your being sarcastic……..…aaaaaaaaaaaaagh!

Everyone makes typing errors and I generally overlook them but your persistent use of ‘your‘ instead of ‘you are‘ is nearly as bad as ‘should of‘ instead of ‘should have’.
Thank you for making me want to smash every tooth in my head just for some pain relief.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
 
I started this under the MGW thread and then realised I'd gone a little down a rabbit hole so here are some thoughts on the lead up to the Boro game starting off with MGW.

MGW's injury may perversely do us a favour.

There isn't much point Wolves recalling a guy to cover Hwang, who is also out injured. By the time the window closes both would expect to be back so it would seem a somewhat futile gesture and represent a status quo with Gibbs-White's development still better served playing week in week out at United.

The fact we play Wolves is probably one of the best blessings of all. It's hardly urgent to have him back for Wolves, even if he is fit by the 9th and it's not as if we will be missing him for that game either as he'd not be logically allowed to play anyhow.

I suppose the question should really be how we cover his absence in the meantime.

McGoldrick is an obvious starter and only missed out against Fulham due to covid restrictions.

So whilst moving Sander into the XI has some logic, I really don't want to go back to a flat midfield three which never really succeeded at this level for us and I'd find slightly negative.

What I always found negated a little our formation (or 3-5-2 generally) was when we were faced with 3 forwards.

4-3-3 often seemed to pose a challenged because unlike 4-4-2, where you effectively have a centre half 'free' you don't get the same luxury if you play against either 4-3-3 or 3-4-3 and push the wider players on.

So for me, rather than just match up and trade two teams 3-5-2, in which case I would still hope that Berge. Norwood and Hourihane/Fleck would be superior to Crooks, McNair and Tevernier, I'd prefer to see the more mobile players take on the Boro backline. I think McGoldrick, who is very good at occupying spaces between lines and N'Diaye's sublime dribbling would present difficulty to the likes of Bamba and Fry.

Chris will be motivated. But for the Boro players this is not their derby game. For United, there will be no lack of individual motivation. Yes, there will have been an appreciation for what he has done for their careers but their most recent memory is a guy who had become tetchy and could not find solutions when the same players looked to him for leadership and to be fair to @FM Blade, who often makes reference to this as a turning point, he's the guy who berated them as League One or Championship players after losing to Leicester even in the first season.

I'd definitely have Sharp up front. I think he would be most motivated of all. I think their relationship was more complicated than just two Blades living the dream together, captain or not. It can't have been lost on Billy that at crucial times Chris wasn't averse to not backing his captain. He inexplicably threw James Wilson on ahead of him in the home Derby, he favoured Leon over him in the first Championship season and having profited from his 23 goals in 40 matches, rather than give his talisman the chance to live his dream, he basically spent the best part of 35m trying to deny it him (McBurnie, Mousset, Robinson) the first season, (despite him having outperformed both Robinson and McBurnie the previous year) and 23m on Brewster and Burke px the second. He only gave Billy 10 starts out of 36 Premiership matches he was available for in season one and just 6 starts in season two out of 28 he was a available for under Chris (discount Leicester).

I find that quite a remarkable about turn having basically fired the team to promotion to then be afforded just a quarter of the available starts. It's hardly anything yet despite this, he was still the one - gaining a point vs Bournemouth and Fulham and getting winners against Norwich, Newcastle, West Brom and scoring in the win vs Bournemouth.

If anything Billy has every right to have an axe to grind with Chris, being dropped immediately, still proving him wrong by scoring against Bournemouth and continuing to be marginalised as Chris persevered with his big money signings.

I personally just think it is a pity that what could have been Billy's big moment of his career was dampened by Chris' apparent desire to replace him. Maybe the manager sees this as ruthlessness shining through but 60m later it seems like a misplaced notion to replace someone who didn't need replacing and money poorly spent.
I thoroughly agree about the treatment of Billy. For the first home game after we'd gone up to the Premier - v Crystal Palace - our captain, who had achieved so much in the previous three seasons, should surely have led the team out at the Lane. Instead, he was on the bench and didn't even come on as a sub.

This just seemed plain wrong and left a nasty taste in my mouth.
 
I thoroughly agree about the treatment of Billy. For the first home game after we'd gone up to the Premier - v Crystal Palace - our captain, who had achieved so much in the previous three seasons, should surely have led the team out at the Lane. Instead, he was on the bench and didn't even come on as a sub.

This just seemed plain wrong and left a nasty taste in my mouth.
The more you think about it, the team that finished 9th was made up primarily from 10 of the promotion squad, with Lundstram, a squad player, stepping in for Duffy. Yet it was decided that the one weak link in the team that needed replacing immediately was the one who scored all the goals that got us up!

I don't deny some help wouldn't hurt and I'd say not many strikers, Billy included, would match some of the contributions that Mousset made against Man U in that first home game for instance, but those instances were limited. I wouldn't say McBurnie's finishes were beyond Billy at all, though the latter I would say scored poacher's goals the other could only dream of, scoring against Bournemouth after McBurnie fluffed his lines and the best of all the goal which was scarcely even a chance against West Brom.
 
I started this under the MGW thread and then realised I'd gone a little down a rabbit hole so here are some thoughts on the lead up to the Boro game starting off with MGW.

MGW's injury may perversely do us a favour.

There isn't much point Wolves recalling a guy to cover Hwang, who is also out injured. By the time the window closes both would expect to be back so it would seem a somewhat futile gesture and represent a status quo with Gibbs-White's development still better served playing week in week out at United.

The fact we play Wolves is probably one of the best blessings of all. It's hardly urgent to have him back for Wolves, even if he is fit by the 9th and it's not as if we will be missing him for that game either as he'd not be logically allowed to play anyhow.

I suppose the question should really be how we cover his absence in the meantime.

McGoldrick is an obvious starter and only missed out against Fulham due to covid restrictions.

So whilst moving Sander into the XI has some logic, I really don't want to go back to a flat midfield three which never really succeeded at this level for us and I'd find slightly negative.

What I always found negated a little our formation (or 3-5-2 generally) was when we were faced with 3 forwards.

4-3-3 often seemed to pose a challenged because unlike 4-4-2, where you effectively have a centre half 'free' you don't get the same luxury if you play against either 4-3-3 or 3-4-3 and push the wider players on.

So for me, rather than just match up and trade two teams 3-5-2, in which case I would still hope that Berge. Norwood and Hourihane/Fleck would be superior to Crooks, McNair and Tevernier, I'd prefer to see the more mobile players take on the Boro backline. I think McGoldrick, who is very good at occupying spaces between lines and N'Diaye's sublime dribbling would present difficulty to the likes of Bamba and Fry.

Chris will be motivated. But for the Boro players this is not their derby game. For United, there will be no lack of individual motivation. Yes, there will have been an appreciation for what he has done for their careers but their most recent memory is a guy who had become tetchy and could not find solutions when the same players looked to him for leadership and to be fair to @FM Blade, who often makes reference to this as a turning point, he's the guy who berated them as League One or Championship players after losing to Leicester even in the first season.

I'd definitely have Sharp up front. I think he would be most motivated of all. I think their relationship was more complicated than just two Blades living the dream together, captain or not. It can't have been lost on Billy that at crucial times Chris wasn't averse to not backing his captain. He inexplicably threw James Wilson on ahead of him in the home Derby, he favoured Leon over him in the first Championship season and having profited from his 23 goals in 40 matches, rather than give his talisman the chance to live his dream, he basically spent the best part of 35m trying to deny it him (McBurnie, Mousset, Robinson) the first season, (despite him having outperformed both Robinson and McBurnie the previous year) and 23m on Brewster and Burke px the second. He only gave Billy 10 starts out of 36 Premiership matches he was available for in season one and just 6 starts in season two out of 28 he was a available for under Chris (discount Leicester).

I find that quite a remarkable about turn having basically fired the team to promotion to then be afforded just a quarter of the available starts. It's hardly anything yet despite this, he was still the one - gaining a point vs Bournemouth and Fulham and getting winners against Norwich, Newcastle, West Brom and scoring in the win vs Bournemouth.

If anything Billy has every right to have an axe to grind with Chris, being dropped immediately, still proving him wrong by scoring against Bournemouth and continuing to be marginalised as Chris persevered with his big money signings.

I personally just think it is a pity that what could have been Billy's big moment of his career was dampened by Chris' apparent desire to replace him. Maybe the manager sees this as ruthlessness shining through but 60m later it seems like a misplaced notion to replace someone who didn't need replacing and money poorly spent.
Bit harsh on Wilder regards Sharp. We had to sign a big man in my opinion to give us a release from teams sitting deep and then it is difficult to play you're way through that in the PL as a newly promoted team, and also from teams pressing us and having the difficulty of having to play out from the back whist under pressure without a guy that can win the headers/hold it up, although some may say that wasnt McBurnie's skillset but that's what he often had to do irrespective. Also having McBurnie just gave us other options to Sharp and McGoldrick. In terms of playing time, Billy played a fair bit, but you have to remember that first season in the Prem McGoldrick was outstanding so he earned the right to play most weeks, even without many goals, and McBurnie played generally well in that first season too and offered us more aerial threat. Wilder isn't going to look at it with the sentiment that us fans do and can't afford to give Billy his dream time in the Prem unless on merit alone. Did Billy deserve to start more, yes, but then that's one of the other two missing out and overall I thought they just deserved to largely start when they did.

Last season Didzy was still the pick of the bunch, McBurnie much less so and I recall Billy did start a few. I love Billy, he's one of my favourite ever players for us but I think Wilder will only have looked at who he thought was the best partnership at the time. Yes he no doubt got that wrong sometimes but Im less certain that he was harsh on Billy. Saying that I would have liked to see Billy play more as a fan because he earned that right but as I say Wilder can't look at it in thatvway.
 
I thoroughly agree about the treatment of Billy. For the first home game after we'd gone up to the Premier - v Crystal Palace - our captain, who had achieved so much in the previous three seasons, should surely have led the team out at the Lane. Instead, he was on the bench and didn't even come on as a sub.

This just seemed plain wrong and left a nasty taste in my mouth.
We did win that game though
 
Put all the ones we want to get shot off on the bench so Wilder can view the shop window.
 
Bit harsh on Wilder regards Sharp. We had to sign a big man in my opinion to give us a release from teams sitting deep and then it is difficult to play you're way through that in the PL as a newly promoted team, and also from teams pressing us and having the difficulty of having to play out from the back whist under pressure without a guy that can win the headers/hold it up, although some may say that wasnt McBurnie's skillset but that's what he often had to do irrespective. Also having McBurnie just gave us other options to Sharp and McGoldrick. In terms of playing time, Billy played a fair bit, but you have to remember that first season in the Prem McGoldrick was outstanding so he earned the right to play most weeks, even without many goals, and McBurnie played generally well in that first season too and offered us more aerial threat. Wilder isn't going to look at it with the sentiment that us fans do and can't afford to give Billy his dream time in the Prem unless on merit alone. Did Billy deserve to start more, yes, but then that's one of the other two missing out and overall I thought they just deserved to largely start when they did.

Last season Didzy was still the pick of the bunch, McBurnie much less so and I recall Billy did start a few. I love Billy, he's one of my favourite ever players for us but I think Wilder will only have looked at who he thought was the best partnership at the time. Yes he no doubt got that wrong sometimes but Im less certain that he was harsh on Billy. Saying that I would have liked to see Billy play more as a fan because he earned that right but as I say Wilder can't look at it in thatvway.
I don’t think it’s a bit harsh reference Billy…Show em Billy get a hat trick son
 
I don’t think it’s a bit harsh reference Billy…Show em Billy get a hat trick son
All about opinions mate. I love Billy. I'd love that hattrick too. Any goal Billy gets just adds to the Billy legend. Just see it differently over Wilder to Billy for previous stated reasons.
 
All about opinions mate. I love Billy. I'd love that hattrick too. Any goal Billy gets just adds to the Billy legend. Just see it differently over Wilder to Billy for previous stated reasons.
We will drink to that hat trick mate
 

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