If not Beattie then who?

[stannyblade]

Heres one for all those who dont want Beattie back. You keep saying we want someone younger and hungry.

So realistic targets who would you want DW to go for? We want someone proven to score goals and like someone said in the Beattie thread ALF has gone to Reading there arent many available

 

[SwissBlade]

Heres one for all those who dont want Beattie back. You keep saying we want someone younger and hungry.

So realistic targets who would you want DW to go for? We want someone proven to score goals and like someone said in the Beattie thread ALF has gone to Reading there arent many available

Who's saying that they aren't alreaddy at the club - Ched, Philiskirk, Tonne are all waiting in the wings... Only the latter has made his first step forward and I am excited* by the prospect of him complimenting Cresswell/ Porter up front.

*Although seemingly nowhere near as excited as Foxy

 

[beechblade]

Who's saying that they aren't alreaddy at the club - Ched, Philiskirk, Tonne are all waiting in the wings... Only the latter has made his first step forward and I am excited* by the prospect of him complimenting Cresswell/ Porter up front.

*Although seemingly nowhere near as excited as Foxy

As mentioned earlier Tonne and Philliskrik are midfielders learning the trade of a striker, I think they'll be good but, I'm not going to get too excited. There's a possibilty Ched's case may still not be resloved till way after October, though I think he will do well he might not be at his best with everything hanging over his head. The problem is if we pick up suspensions or injuries to Porter and Cressy.

As of who else could we bring in, I haven't got a clue, though Kevin Lisbie's still available, not got a great scoring record though and again like Beattie he's in the experience range.

 

[stannyblade]

Who's saying that they aren't alreaddy at the club - Ched, Philiskirk, Tonne are all waiting in the wings... Only the latter has made his first step forward and I am excited* by the prospect of him complimenting Cresswell/ Porter up front.

*Although seemingly nowhere near as excited as Foxy

Ched? do you think he is going to be able to give 100%? I dont. Plus he may not be around much longer either way.

Are the other 2 strikers? I know Tonne can play there and has done brilliant so far

BUT I still believe we need another proven goalscorer to cover for injury/suspensions. I honestly thought that Slew would tear the division apart this year but on what I saw he was nowhere near.

 

[SwissBlade]

Tonne and Philiskirk may be listed as Midfielders, but lets not pigeon hole either at this stage, Tonne certainly played a very smart cameo, coming from deep (easy down Foxy) and allowing others to also get involved and breaking into the box late, similar to the likes of Scholes

Having watched England on Friday, we could do worse than play one central striker and have players like McAlistair, MDL, Tonne, Quinny all switching and using their movement to get in behind the back 4's of this division.

(I'm basing my opinion on the only game i've watched so far - Bury)

 

[stannyblade]

I do really rate Tonne on what I have seen of him play. Trouble for us either way is as the song goes "We aint got a barrel of money" So we cant really buy anybody when the window opens even if we have them on loan first.

 

[Bladesman]

Well talking about landing decent strikers is all a bit late in the day really as that is something we should of done before the transfer window shut. Especially if only to try to cover the outgoing of Bogdanovic.

 

[stannyblade]

Well talking about landing decent strikers is all a bit late in the day really as that is something we should of done before the transfer window shut. Especially if only to try to cover the outgoing of Bogdanovic.

Not really as we can still sign unattached players or players on loan

 

[beechblade]

Tonne and Philiskirk may be listed as Midfielders, but lets not pigeon hole either at this stage, Tonne certainly played a very smart cameo, coming from deep (easy down Foxy) and allowing others to also get involved and breaking into the box late, similar to the likes of Scholes

Having watched England on Friday, we could do worse than play one central striker and have players like McAlistair, MDL, Tonne, Quinny all switching and using their movement to get in behind the back 4's of this division.

(I'm basing my opinion on the only game i've watched so far - Bury)

I'm not pifeon holing them, but they've still got to learn to play in that position properly. I also rate Tonne and hae heard good things, I would be interested to see how he copes starting a game, but realistically we still need another out and out striker.

 

[SwissBlade]

I'm not pifeon holing them, but they've still got to learn to play in that position properly. I also rate Tonne and hae heard good things, I would be interested to see how he copes starting a game, but realistically we still need another out and out striker.

Having scored 14 goals, Do you think a striker is the main priority?

 

[beechblade]

Having scored 14 goals, Do you think a striker is the main priority?

Yes really as we lost two players from that area and didn't get at least one replacement, both had been involved too. Goals can dry up and suspension and injuries can happen, with only two possibily three main strikers (Ched) to rely we are terribly thin on the ground there. Of course other areas need strengthening but we also have players returning in those areas as well, priorities are a Keeper and a Striker. I'd prefer the option of a permanent striker, Keeper I'm more happy with the short term cover option of a loan.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Hasn't Philliskirk been used as a striker in every game he's been involved in this season?

His comment following yesterday's reserve match certainly clarifies which position he sees himself playing.

Philliskirk said: "I'm a striker and I want to be scoring goals, so it is always good to score.

 

[Foxy]

I also said I rated Philli and would give him a chance in and around the first team Swiss, but not being Scandinavian it appears that he' slipped the net in the "Foxy rates him and must therefore wish to bum him" stakes

 

[stannyblade]

I also said I rated Philli and would give him a chance in and around the first team Swiss, but not being Scandinavian it appears that he' slipped the net in the "Foxy rates him and must therefore wish to bum him" stakes

At least youre admitting it now foxy

 

[SotonBlade]

Tonne, may work as a striker, however I think his strength would be in a Scholes role, as mentioned above. Interesting to hear that when he first came to United he played at left back!

 

[Nick Jansky]

Tonne, may work as a striker, however I think his strength would be in a Scholes role, as mentioned above.

Agreed, and I get the impression that this was the role DW had earmarked for Fleck. Which perhaps gives us an insight into Danny's thinking, maybe he doesn't view another out & out striker as critical.

 

[Ollessendro]

Completely pointless thread. This a job for the scouts. Wilson will have set up his scouting network and obviously has people looking in Scotland and the lower leagues. I cannot name any reasonable targets, but that is because I earn a living from research not from watching football and spotting talent. I know enough from being a fan though, that I do not want Beattie. I am sure that there are young, athletic, quick strikers with a point to prove who are available. If you give me a month off work and a couple of grand budget then I will easily come up with some names for you.

Why look further than what we have? Cresswell has scored 4 and seems to have his touch back. Porter had a decent goalscoring record at Oldham and Motherwell and (if he can stay fit) will get goals at this level. We have 'development player', Welsh international and once highly related Evans to coem back. Then we have Tonne (2 goals from 2 sub appearances) and Philskirk (2 for the reserves during the week) who are you and hungry and looking for some first team action.

I would much sooner we concentrate on getting centre half cover than worrying about strikers. 13 goals scored so far (with 4 in the last match and plenty from midfield) might suggest we don't need a nother striker at all (never mind an overweight, lazy, slefish neverbeen).

 

[Bergen Blade]

Hasn't Philliskirk been used as a striker in every game he's been involved in this season?

His comment following yesterday's reserve match certainly clarifies which position he sees himself playing.

I've been one who may have put his ideal position in doubt. Everything I've read about him from Chelsea reserve team watchers and heard from elsewhere, has suggested his best position has been attacking, central midfield. They said that he lacks pace to play up front and out wide, but has skill, vision and good passing ability. I guess the quote clears it up though, and for now we should view him as a striker.

 

[Revolution]

(never mind an overweight, lazy, slefish neverbeen)

90 goals in the EPL = piece of piss.

 

[beechblade]

Completely pointless thread.

Why is it pointless? Isn't the point of a message board to express opinions and beliefs, it's a perflectly good question on who we as fans would like to see.

 

[SwissBlade]

Completely pointless thread. This a job for the scouts. Wilson will have set up his scouting network and obviously has people looking in Scotland and the lower leagues. I cannot name any reasonable targets, but that is because I earn a living from research not from watching football and spotting talent. I know enough from being a fan though, that I do not want Beattie. I am sure that there are young, athletic, quick strikers with a point to prove who are available. If you give me a month off work and a couple of grand budget then I will easily come up with some names for you.

Why look further than what we have? Cresswell has scored 4 and seems to have his touch back. Porter had a decent goalscoring record at Oldham and Motherwell and (if he can stay fit) will get goals at this level. We have 'development player', Welsh international and once highly related Evans to coem back. Then we have Tonne (2 goals from 2 sub appearances) and Philskirk (2 for the reserves during the week) who are you and hungry and looking for some first team action.

I would much sooner we concentrate on getting centre half cover than worrying about strikers. 13 goals scored so far (with 4 in the last match and plenty from midfield) might suggest we don't need a nother striker at all (never mind an overweight, lazy, slefish neverbeen).

I think the point of it is as the thread title suggests... Its very easy to say that we should be looking at other strikers than Beattie, but who is out there that has the potential or is as good as Beattie

 

[Bladesman]

I think the point of it is as the thread title suggests... Its very easy to say that we should be looking at other strikers than Beattie, but who is out there that has the potential or is as good as Beattie

Exactly we have mentioned the mighty Jason Scotland but aside from that its rather slim pickings on who else we could get.

 

[Bergen Blade]

I think the point of it is as the thread title suggests... Its very easy to say that we should be looking at other strikers than Beattie, but who is out there that has the potential or is as good as Beattie

Here's another thing to consider. Would the sale of Maguire, or maybe Tønne, in the next window cover a season of Beattie's wages?

 

[SwissBlade]

Here's another thing to consider. Would the sale of Maguire, or maybe Tønne, in the next window cover a season of Beattie's wages?

Do you mean just like the sale of Slew did?

We've done this before with the Kyles and we just did it with Slew.

 

[broomhillblade]

(never mind an overweight, lazy, slefish neverbeen)

90 goals in the EPL = piece of piss.

... and not a single goal for more than a year.

 

[Ollessendro]

(never mind an overweight, lazy, slefish neverbeen)

90 goals in the EPL = piece of piss.

You are right. I apologise. You've caught me out ...... He was excellent at Southampton and showed some great promise in his early career. 70% of those Premier League goals were years ago.

Why is it pointless? Isn't the point of a message board to express opinions and beliefs, it's a perflectly good question on who we as fans would like to see.

I think I made my point pretty clear in my first post.

I think the point of it is as the thread title suggests... Its very easy to say that we should be looking at other strikers than Beattie, but who is out there that has the potential or is as good as Beattie

But it is pretty unanswerable. Unless you are a scout or watch football for a living you will find this type of question very difficult. How many United fans watch youth teams of other clubs, watch lower division teams or watch Scottish football? That's where the talent would be. Like I said. Give me a month off work and a hefty budget and I will find you a hungry, young, pacey striker that is available (and a better option than BT). But for now I will have to leave it in the hands of the people who do it for a living (the scouts).

 

[Darren]

You are right. I apologise. You've caught me out ...... He was excellent at Southampton and showed some great promise in his early career. 70% of those Premier League goals were over 15 years ago. ).

So Beattie had over 70 goals in the PL by the time he was 18. I must have missed those.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

I've no problem signing BT if he can fit into our pay structure and prove his fitness but NOT at the expense of selling anyone or missing out on more 'suitable' signings. By anyone, I mean the likes of Harry, rather than Monty or Willo for example.

If we don't go for BT then I think we'd struggle to find anyone at this stage within our constraints who would walk into the team. I would also be against signing a bench warmer for 3 months at the expense of, say, Philly or Tonne.

I can see the plus points in going for BT in that he's unattached now rather than getting a short term loan in but I wouldn't be too concerned if we stuck with what we've got, give Philly or Tonne a chance if needs be and see where we are in January.

 

[Ollessendro]

So Beattie had over 70 goals in the PL by the time he was 18. I must have missed those.

Nice come back.

 

[SwissBlade]

You are right. I apologise. You've caught me out ...... He was excellent at Southampton and showed some great promise in his early career. 70% of those Premier League goals were years ago.



I think I made my point pretty clear in my first post.



But it is pretty unanswerable. Unless you are a scout or watch football for a living you will find this type of question very difficult. How many United fans watch youth teams of other clubs, watch lower division teams or watch Scottish football? That's where the talent would be. Like I said. Give me a month off work and a hefty budget and I will find you a hungry, young, pacey striker that is available (and a better option than BT). But for now I will have to leave it in the hands of the people who do it for a living (the scouts).

So when you were sat debating what does/ doesn't go on behind the scenes for the last couple of years, reading between the lines here, assuming things there, you couldve saved yourself the hassle as that's unanswerable as well.

I actually like this thread, think it's interesting to see what others think. It hasn't sunk to the depths of the Quinn interview about Wilson thread, just normal, constructive posts instead of becoming a pissing contest