We need to talk about Paul.

[HibbyBlade]

Pretty sure the club ownership changed not long after he arrived and they basically didn't want him & didn't back him.

*Just checked. Hecky came in in Feb, the club was sold in June and he was gone in November. P32 W11 D12 L9. Not horrific.

He was backed very well by Scottish Prem standards. He brought in eight permanent signings and six loans.

That form is pretty sackable for a Hibs boss. Most of the wins were in his first few months. We should really be top 4 in the Scottish Prem, we were sitting 11th when he was bulleted earning him the unfortunate nickname Paul Secondbottom.

Part of me suspects he was just unprepared for the Scottish game though.

 

[HibbyBlade]

Cheers pal. What were your thoughts when he was given the role the other day?

Not delighted. I wasn't a fan of him at Hibs but he never seemed like he was in comfort zone up here so I don't know how big a part that played.

 

[Sithblade]

Does Hecky still wear a bra?

 

[Now and again]

Not delighted. I wasn't a fan of him at Hibs but he never seemed like he was in comfort zone up here so I don't know how big a part that played.

Let’s hope this is his time now in the right environment for him.

 

[Scarebus]

Does Hecky still wear a bra?
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Paul Hairyfrontbottom

 

[MobileBlade]

Under employment law after 4 years service on a FTC you are automatically a permanent employee. Theres nothing to stop a club putting into a contact an end of contract payment that would buy out any potential unfair dismissal claim that would outweigh anything that could be claimed.

Its the Fixed-Term Employees (Prevention of Less Favourable Treatment) Regulations 2002 btw.

For anyone whos interested this clause is from a standard player contract and why they never take a club to tribunal for unfair dismissal after 4 years even though they would be a permanent member of staff:

19. Severance
19.1 If the Player shall not make an application to an Employment Tribunal for compensation in
respect of unfair dismissal or redundancy as a result of not being offered a new contract either
on terms at least as favourable as under this contract or at all then the following provisions of
this clause 19 shall take effect.
19.2 If by the expiry of this contract the Club has not made to the Player an offer of re-engagement on
terms at least as favourable to the Player as those applicable over the last twelve months of this
contract (or the length of this contract if shorter) then subject to clauses 19.1 and 19.3 the Player
shall continue to receive from his Club (as a separate payment representing compensation as
more particularly referred to in the Code of Practice) a payment equal to his weekly basic wage (at
the average amount of his weekly wage over the preceding 12 months of this contract or the
whole of this contract if shorter) for a period of one month from the expiry of this contract or until
the Player signs for another club whichever period is the shorter provided that where the Player
signs for another club within that period of one month at a lower basic wage than such average
then such payment shall in addition include a sum equal to the shortfall in such basic wage for the
remainder of such period;
19.3 The maximum amount payable to the Player under sub-clause 19.2 is double the maximum sum
which an Employment Tribunal can award from time to time as a compensatory award for unfair
dismissal.

 

[ATL Recs]

I don't think his managerial record has got going that much for any of us to judge and stats can easily be manipulated to suit an agenda.

At Barnsley, his win % wasn't the highest but there are a fair few draws in there and he did get them promoted to the Championship and then finish 9th in there, which for Barnsley is a couple of good seasons. Mostly they're expected to struggle at this level. You could say a promotion to the Championship and a 9th placed finish by the age of 41 is well ahead of what Wilder was achieving at that age.

He did well enough to be poached by Leeds.

At Leeds he was given just 16 games and not a single transfer window but did introduce some younger players. I don't see how that is any period to judge a guy. It's even less than Jokanovic.

At Hibs, he won more than he lost and was there less than a year, in a period ravaged by injuries. Some of the Hibs guys are sympathetic, saying Doidge's poor finishing cost them a lot.

He also did slightly better in terms of points per game than Wilder last season.

So he has a foundation. Let's see if he can kick on.

So his record at Leeds mirrors Slavs except Slav had 4 loans come in but not his players so not really a window yet how come it’s hard to judge at one club but not the other ? Only Asking for a wannabe chairman

 

[Revolution]

It was. And I think you can safely say you could exclude Leicester. Think he was only told at lunchtime, was only allowed in changing room 45 mins before kick off due to covid regs and had no involvement in build up.

I apologise: 10 league games not 11.

But: that’s 9 points per 10 games
34 points for a full season
Burnley got 39.

So again, the idea that we played above relegation form is not true. As I said at the time it was at best 3rd bottom form.

 

[Charlieblade]

PH is the club manager now! That includes overseeing training, supervising assistants, and player/tactical selections.
Fans have decided already on the positive or negative impact of his management ability. While his management history is pertinent, the circumstances of his current appointment are different.

Two things are clear. The football side of life will be his responsibility, and he will not poke the boardroom bear. The reverse should also be true?

The appointment was so quick, following the announcement of Slav’s departure, it must have been in the pipeline for some time. The new structure and appointment of McCall was given the public airing of a presser on the same day. Putting all this together was not a knee jerk reaction, but a well planned coup, giving a change of style and direction, based on no funds being available.

It’s easy to assume that change was brought about by lack of funds, but the one fact remains: Hecky is the new boss. Get behind him, and the fact that he now answers to the fans, who can still speculate, but hopefully still support him and his team.

 

[GreenhillBladeinToronto]

I once suffered a great loss. I had one of those remotes that could control all my electronics and I dropped it in the bath. Still haunts me.

Gotta be one of the funniest LOL retorts I’ve seen in a long time

 

[jono_t2000]

I apologise: 10 league games not 11.

But: that’s 9 points per 10 games
34 points for a full season
Burnley got 39.

So again, the idea that we played above relegation form is not true. As I said at the time it was at best 3rd bottom form.

Must admit i had a chuckle when I read the posters original post...

If you dont include the games against the decent premier league teams, then also dont include two other matches, it means we won 3 in 6 and that's good enough for top 6 in the premier league

Wtf, if only life worked like that

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

We've gone from a manager with a really good track record, but was shite to a manager with a really shite record so that means he will be good .

 

[Champagneblade]

So his record at Leeds mirrors Slavs except Slav had 4 loans come in but not his players so not really a window yet how come it’s hard to judge at one club but not the other ? Only Asking for a wannabe chairman

I would have probably kept him longer, maybe given him the whole season. But that is putting a lot of stock in a guy's record of doing better second half of the season. Maybe Hecky was not a good fit for them, but so many before him had not done anything, even Warnock, with all his experience.

In terms of differences, Slav had all pre-season to evaluate and pick the best way to play. Hecky came in mid week with a match in a few days.

 

[mancunianblade]

Hecky holds a UEFA pro licence which is the highest qualification, this badge is primarily about building football clubs over a few years with regards to structures from youth through to first teams and long term strategy. Along with his BSC and MSC (Honours) in Sports Coaching I would say this is why he has been given a 4+ years contract with the title of Football Manager (a better title would be Head of Football) which may lead to a first team coach being appointed as per the continental football clubs. I suspect Hecky had a huge say in the strategy.

you think that but actually he’s going to sit in his office at shirecliffe playing football manager hence the title and tell Paul Michell which wonderkids to go and poach

 

[finlaytheblade]

I'm not sure why people are focussing on this so much as a negative.

Barnsley. Won them a cup. Got them promoted and finished top half next season with next to no budget. He got an award from the Yorkshire Post.

Leeds. Basically used as a fall guy. Brought in then they had a new owner. He was tasked with getting rid of all their overpaid failures so not popular with the players and poor results. Always going to be replaced by a big name (Bielsa in this case).

Hibs. Started off really strongly. They finished in the top 6 but something kicked off with the players towards the end and next season was pretty disastrous.

It's hardly a great managerial record but he spent 2 years at Barnsley, a few months at Leeds and less than a year at Hibs.

He has got bounce back ability and that is a good characteristic to have.as a lot of fans have stated ,will be nice to understand the interviews again.

 

[Bell4]

PH is the club manager now! That includes overseeing training, supervising assistants, and player/tactical selections.
Fans have decided already on the positive or negative impact of his management ability. While his management history is pertinent, the circumstances of his current appointment are different.

Two things are clear. The football side of life will be his responsibility, and he will not poke the boardroom bear. The reverse should also be true?

The appointment was so quick, following the announcement of Slav’s departure, it must have been in the pipeline for some time. The new structure and appointment of McCall was given the public airing of a presser on the same day. Putting all this together was not a knee jerk reaction, but a well planned coup, giving a change of style and direction, based on no funds being available.

It’s easy to assume that change was brought about by lack of funds, but the one fact remains: Hecky is the new boss. Get behind him, and the fact that he now answers to the fans, who can still speculate, but hopefully still support him and his team.

Nice post

but I don’t think there is much doubt that there are no funds and I really feel the change is about lack of funds .Slav would have wanted funds for sure in Jan - none would be available unless he moves players on - he didn’t play the players who cost money for one reason or another therefore their value and profile depreciated - therefore he would be unlikely to be able to move them on and raise funds - therefore no incomings

the board can see this and they know for sure there would be one hell of a backlash from the fans

so they dump Slav and bring in the guy they could have appointed in June

to label any of this a well planned coup is beyond me -

they bring in a manager in June who has a proven record and now say that he doesn’t fit with their strategic plan - a plan they say they didn’t have in June -

the plan is that we are fkd re funds

the plan is that we are now part of a group of non descript club toys under a holding co owned by the Prince whom is out of his league and has a set of people who have absolutely no connection with Utd or it’s supported at the helium

if all this is a well planned coup then believe it but it will all come crashing down as they don’t have a lot to piss in

 

[Blacksea]

He was backed very well by Scottish Prem standards. He brought in eight permanent signings and six loans.

That form is pretty sackable for a Hibs boss. Most of the wins were in his first few months. We should really be top 4 in the Scottish Prem, we were sitting 11th when he was bulleted earning him the unfortunate nickname Paul Secondbottom.

Part of me suspects he was just unprepared for the Scottish game though.

He got slated by footie fans all over Scotland for one of his comments didn't he?

 

[HibbyBlade]

He got slated by footie fans all over Scotland for one of his comments didn't he?

There was a couple.

One was telling the BBC in a post match that he wanted to smash the fourth officials teeth in. Another was the time he interrupted a Kilmarnock press conference to call Alex Bruce a fucking diver.

He's an odd guy. There's some passion there I guess...

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

I'm not sure why people are focussing on this so much as a negative.

Barnsley. Won them a cup. Got them promoted and finished top half next season with next to no budget. He got an award from the Yorkshire Post.

Leeds. Basically used as a fall guy. Brought in then they had a new owner. He was tasked with getting rid of all their overpaid failures so not popular with the players and poor results. Always going to be replaced by a big name (Bielsa in this case).

Hibs. Started off really strongly. They finished in the top 6 but something kicked off with the players towards the end and next season was pretty disastrous.

It's hardly a great managerial record but he spent 2 years at Barnsley, a few months at Leeds and less than a year at Hibs.

He won 2 cups for Barnsley. Ok, one was the 3rd/4th tier cup, but it's a chuffin sight more than any manager has won for us (or them) for 100ish years!!

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

“ speaks positively “ “ and the training video looks good “ . What more could we ask for ?

We've got what we've got. Money has been spunked on players we can't cash-in on.
We can always want more, and we can always complain.
As I said, let's see what the fella does.

 

[Blacksea]

There was a couple.

One was telling the BBC in a post match that he wanted to smash the fourth officials teeth in. Another was the time he interrupted a Kilmarnock press conference to call Alex Bruce a fucking diver.

He's an odd guy. There's some passion there I guess...

I thought he said that the standard of Scottish football was like L1 in England,or something similar.

 

[Bell4]

There was a couple.

One was telling the BBC in a post match that he wanted to smash the fourth officials teeth in. Another was the time he interrupted a Kilmarnock press conference to call Alex Bruce a fucking diver.

He's an odd guy. There's some passion there I guess...

Class act

 

[Wards]

I’m backing him to do well for us. Don’t think it’ll be massively pretty but I think he’s a good fit for the club and the obvious direction we’re headed - AKA ‘The Plan’.

I have a couple of good connections with the youth setup at Barnsley and they both speak very, very highly of him.

 

[HibbyBlade]

I thought he said that the standard of Scottish football was like L1 in England,or something similar.

He might have defended his signings with a comment like that but I don't remember it being a big deal.

 

[FatPaul]

Wondered what the fuck I'd done for a bit then.

 

[Old Programme seller]

With comments li,e that he doesn’t sound like a yes man to me

 

[Stegosaurus]

Hi Stegosaurus here

I said all along he was the right man for the job.

 

[blade too long]

I look at him, and I see what he achieved last season, and I think he’s a loser.

I hope to God he proves me wrong.

Good luck. You’ll need it with this squad and this board.

The term loser seems a tad harsh but he's smashing even my less doubting expectations
Long may it continue

We appear to have found a good first
Him getting McCall in was inspired

 

[Revolution]

The term loser seems a tad harsh but he's smashing even my less doubting expectations
Long may it continue

We appear to have found a good first
Him getting McCall in was inspired

Great start. Very pleasing.

Long way to go.