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pommpey
I know you're trying to prove a point pommpey but at 65 passes in 65 minutes on Saturday Norwood was the highest of any player per minute played with an accuracy of 84.6%. Thats a lot of pinging to the wings.
I know you're trying to prove a point pommpey but at 65 passes in 65 minutes on Saturday Norwood was the highest of any player per minute played with an accuracy of 84.6%. Thats a lot of pinging to the wings.
He had 3 key passes most of anyone on the pitch.Yes, point well made Mobile. But ... and it's a big 'but' ... what did they create? Anyone can clip lofted chips to team-mates 35 metres away. But the opposition know and read our strategy so easily, especially when it goes to Norwood. They know what he's thinking (because it's all he can do) and they simply shift players wide to stop Baldock or RND advancing. Same as last season. How many times does one of his 'pings' go over the top of the wide defender with George or Rhys sprinting onto it? Remember, when Norwood's distribution was so effective, we had Jack or Bash overlapping to provide that overload. Now our leverage should be focussed on MGW and Ndaiye, an infield ball and Fleck and Nowood carrying the ball through the midfield past the centre circle, much the same way Fleck, Coutts and Duffy used to to attack and set Billy or Leon up.
Wilderball is dead, and Norwood thinks it is still alive. 65 in 65 is indeed noteworthy, but if the answer to the question 'so what?' is zero, his actual effect is nowt spectacular. And looking across the past two years, it's been much of the same in every game he's played. His goalscoring rate is disappointing, as is his assist rate. Yet people hold him up to the sky like he's the chosen one.
I just don't get it.
pommpey
Absolutely spot onIt's good of you to point that out, rather than be a snarky twat who drops in every now and then and offers nothing but slaver.
However, many watch it on television, some even contribute to v-blogs too. It doesn't denude their opinion, does it? My point is this, although Norwood finds the man out wide, it isn't a progressive footballing move. Oppositions simply overload what isn't in fact our overload any more. Our receiver always goes backwards. So what's the point? I get it fans think Norwood has a wand of a foot and yeah, he does. But does anything he feeds out to the flanks result in a goal? If not, why? Also if not, why are we doing it? Do you not think oppositions are now inviting him to do it- allowing RND/Enda/George to creep up the wing with their arms up because they know Norwood will try the ping and then they just deploy four out to block the advance, forcing us instantly backwards and across the other side? Rinse and repeat. Nothing actually gets done and it's odds on they'll intercept and counter. It's been the same since last season, possibly post lockdown the season before. Predictable stuff.
When Norwood finds someone central however, we are in a different game. And he never, ever runs with the ball, gains ten, fifteen, twenty metres and puts the opposition on the back foot. I don't need to be at the game to see that, believe me.
pommpey
Osborn was MOTM apparentlyI agreed with all that until the Norwood rating! He was the man of the match and his passing was excellent, not pointless. It wasn't his fault that nothing came of it!
TV is a shit way of watching football. You can't see how tightly marked players higher up the field are for example. So when players go sideways, it gets really frustrating. At the match, if you've played a bit of football you can see the opposition defence is organised and have a bit more patience. That is just one example, but there are loads more.Spot on ,you dont pick up a lot on TV ,space ,the pace of the game ,the atmosphere ,the whole shape and intensity of the game are lost to TV. You might see a close up replay an things like that but anyone whos played football or who goes regularly knows its not a true refection.
You do know we will now be accused of being 'bigger blades' .
Lets just let this thread slide off the bottom of the page, eh?
pommpey
I think you will find thats Keen Blade sunk to his nuts up pommpey 'posts'.
I think you will find thats Keen Blade sunk to his nuts up pommpey 'posts'.
I'll talk to you all day every day about football, no problem at all. You've been called out, quite rightly IMO, about your strange negativity around Norwood. You're not the first and won't the last to have a boo boy but at least give credit where and when it's due. He's been, arguably, our best player in the last 2 home games. His raking passes to wing backs in space are a joy to watch but somehow his teammates inability to turn good attacking positions into goal scoring chances is, according to you, somehow his fault. That's something about the match for you to mull over.Yeah. It's 'you' making this about 'me'.
Well done! You're really doing splendid work, Cheeseboard.
(nowt about the match, mind)
pommpey
Can't believe this thread is still going round in circles to be honest. Looking at the player marks on the first post Norwood is marked higher than Fleck and MGW yet here we are again slagging him for useless pings to un marked players, I can't really work that one out. Add in to the mix the obligatory low mark for McBurnie and a few lines about sitting on a bankside being outwitted by fish and 80's synth pop and it all gets a bit boring and predictable. Maybe if those out wide when they get the ball set of running and got some chalk on their boots we'd be looking at a different outcome Baldock & Osborn marked 7 don't make me laugh first thing they did when they got the ball was to look who they could pass back to. Norwood was my MOTM not his fault the wide players are scared to take a man on or that there was very little movement down the middle. Got to give Derby a bit of credit too they defended well and still made a few chances. We really should be moaning about the four golden chances we had which we didn't even get on target before we complain about Norwood and McBurnie.
I'll talk to you all day every day about football, no problem at all. You've been called out, quite rightly IMO, about your strange negativity around Norwood. You're not the first and won't the last to have a boo boy but at least give credit where and when it's due. He's been, arguably, our best player in the last 2 home games. His raking passes to wing backs in space are a joy to watch but somehow his teammates inability to turn good attacking positions into goal scoring chances is, according to you, somehow his fault. That's something about the match for you to mull over.
I reckon if that's what you're seeing you need to give your screen a wobble. Any balls played forward against Derby were gobbled up by Davies and Jagielka. The proverbial meat and drink. Norwood's passing to wide players was our best way to combat that. Times plenty Osborn recieved the ball with acres to gallop into and his first thought is usually to check back and go sideways. Norwood's fault? Maybe, just maybe, the answer would be to get a winger in.Riddle me this:
If, as you say, the recipients of such 'joy to watch' 'raking passes' haven't the ability to do anything with them, then why do them? You do understand what I am illustrating when I say that such pings find players already being closed down and the only route is backwards and across the pitch, don't you?
I reckon if that's what you're seeing you need to give your screen a wobble. Any balls played forward against Derby were gobbled up by Davies and Jagielka. The proverbial meat and drink. Norwood's passing to wide players was our best way to combat that. Times plenty Osborn recieved the ball with acres to gallop into and his first thought is usually to check back and go sideways. Norwood's fault? Maybe, just maybe, the answer would be to get a winger in.
I agree with much of that post however the crux of where we disagree is that somehow you're blaming Norwood for other players inability to progress the play once found in space. Imagine Sterling in his prime or Salah receiving some of those passes. Pace, balance, goal. The way people label Norwood's passes as Hollywood balls and pings is half the problem. They're just good, skillful passes, nothing more ,nothing less. The ability to cut across the ball the way he does should be applauded not ridiculed.Watch tonight how oppositions deal with Norwood's distribution and the recipient. Just shift players out to block the advance and force us backward, across the park and up the other wing.
It will be when non-contributors such as you do what you always say you are going to do and stay the fuck out of it. Go start your own thread.
I agree with much of that post however the crux of where we disagree is that somehow you're blaming Norwood for other players inability to progress the play once found in space. Imagine Sterling in his prime or Salah receiving some of those passes. Pace, balance, goal. The way people label Norwood's passes as Hollywood balls and pings is half the problem. They're just good, skillful passes, nothing more ,nothing less. The ability to cut across the ball the way he does should be applauded not ridiculed.
Fuck that keep it going enjoyed the rants whilst having a tea breakLets just let this thread slide off the bottom of the page, eh?
pommpey
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