SUFC Position through history

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Top Scorer

Season	Top Scorer	Goals
1892–93	Harry Hammond	22​
1893–94	Bob Hill	11​
1894–95	Harry Hammond	15​
1895–96	Harry Hammond	12​
1896–97	Fred Priest	12​
1897–98	Walter Bennett	12​
1898–99	George Hedley	12​
1899–1900	Billy Beer	15​
1900–01	Walter Bennett	12​
1901–02	Fred Priest	21​
1902–03	Fred Priest	10​
1903–04	Arthur Brown	20​
1904–05	Arthur Brown	22​
1905–06	Arthur Brown	19​
1906–07	Arthur Brown	22​
1907–08	Arthur Brown	16​
1908–09	Wally Hardinge	11​
1909–10	Joe Kitchen	21​
1910–11	Joe Kitchen	18​
1911–12	Bobby Evans	12​
1912–13	Wally Hardinge	11​
1913–14	Stan Fazackerley	23​
1914–15	Joe Kitchen	16​
1919–20	Stan Fazackerley	15​
1920–21	Harry Johnson	13​
1921–22	Harry Johnson	17​
1922–23	Harry Johnson	19​
1923–24	Billy Gillespie	16​
1924–25	Harry Johnson	22​
1925–26	Harry Johnson	27​
1926–27	Harry Johnson	24​
1927–28	Harry Johnson	43​
1928–29	Harry Johnson	31​
1929–30	Jimmy Dunne	42​
1930–31	Jimmy Dunne	50​
1931–32	Jimmy Dunne	35​
1932–33	Jimmy Dunne	32​
1933–34	Billy Boyd	17​
1934–35	Jock Dodds	19​
1935–36	Jock Dodds	41​
1936–37	Jock Dodds	28​
1937–38	Jock Dodds	23​
1938–39	Jock Dodds	20​
1946–47	Colin Collindridge	18​
1947–48	Colin Collindridge	12​
1948–49	Colin Collindridge	17​
1949–50	Harold Brook	21​
1950–51	Jimmy Hagan	17​
1951–52	Alf Ringstead	27​
1952–53	Alf Ringstead	24​
1953–54	Harold Brook	14​
1954–55	Derek Hawksworth	14​
1955–56	Bobby Howitt	14​
1956–57	Derek Hawksworth	22​
1957–58	Derek Pace	21​
1958–59	Derek Pace	31​
1959–60	Derek Pace	33​
1960–61	Derek Pace	26​
1961–62	Derek Pace	28​
1962–63	Derek Pace	21​
1963–64	Derek Pace	15​
1964–65	Mick Jones	17​
1965–66	Mick Jones	22​
1966–67	Mick Jones	21​
1967–68	Gil Reece	13​
1968–69	John Tudor	16​
1969–70	Alan Woodward	22​
1970–71	Alan Woodward	17​
1971–72	Alan Woodward	20​
1972–73	Bill Dearden	25​
1973–74	Alan Woodward	18​
1974–75	Alan Woodward	16​
1975–76	Chris Guthrie	15​
1976–77	Keith Edwards	18​
1977–78	Keith Edwards	15​
1978–79	Peter Anderson	12​
1979–80	Jeff Bourne	11​
1980–81	Bob Hatton	23​
1981–82	Keith Edwards	36​
1982–83	Keith Edwards	24​
1983–84	Keith Edwards	41​
1984–85	Keith Edwards	15​
1985–86	Keith Edwards	21​
1986–87	Steve Foley	12​
1987–88	Tony Philliskirk	11​
1988–89	Tony Agana	31​
1989–90	Brian Deane	24​
1990–91	Brian Deane	17​
1991–92	Brian Deane	16​
1992–93	Brian Deane	19​
1993–94	Jostein Flo	9​
1994–95	Nathan Blake	18​
1995–96	Nathan Blake	12​
1996–97	Andy Walker	15​
1997–98	Brian Deane	13​
1998–99	Marcelo	20​
1999–2000	Marcus Bent	16​
2000–01	Marcus Bent	8​
2001–02	Carl Asaba	7​
2002–03	Michael Brown	22​
2003–04	Jack Lester	15​
2004–05	Andy Gray	18​
2005–06	Neil Shipperley	11​
2006–07	Rob Hulse	8​
2007–08	James Beattie	22​
2008–09	James Beattie	12​
2009–10	Richard Cresswell	14​
2010–11	Ched Evans	9​
2011–12	Ched Evans	35​
2012–13	Nick Blackman	14​
2013–14	Chris Porter	11​
2014–15	Jose Baxter	13​
2015–16	Billy Sharp	21​
2016–17	Billy Sharp	30​
2017–18	Leon Clarke	19​
2018–19	Billy Sharp	24​
2019–20	Oli McBurnie	6​
2020–21	David McGoldrick	8​

 

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Cup Progress

Season	FA Cup	League Cup
1892–93	R2
1893–94	R1
1894–95	R2
1895–96	R2
1896–97	R1
1897–98	R1
1898–99	W
1899–1900	QF
1900–01	RU
1901–02	W
1902–03	R2
1903–04	QF
1904–05	R1
1905–06	R2
1906–07	R1
1907–08	R1
1908–09	R1
1909–10	R1
1910–11	R1
1911–12	R1
1912–13	R1
1913–14	SF
1914–15	W
1919–20	R2
1920–21	R1
1921–22	R1
1922–23	SF
1923–24	R1
1924–25	W
1925–26	R4
1926–27	R3
1927–28	SF
1928–29	R3
1929–30	R4
1930–31	R5
1931–32	R4
1932–33	R4
1933–34	R3
1934–35	R4
1935–36	RU
1936–37	R4
1937–38	R4
1938–39	R5
1946–47	QF
1947–48	R3
1948–49	R4
1949–50	R4
1950–51	R4
1951–52	QF
1952–53	R4
1953–54	R3
1954–55	R3
1955–56	R5
1956–57	R3
1957–58	R5
1958–59	QF
1959–60	QF
1960–61	SF	R2
1961–62	QF	QF
1962–63	R5	R3
1963–64	R4	R2
1964–65	R4	R2
1965–66	R4	R2
1966–67	R5	QF
1967–68	QF	R2
1968–69	R3	R2
1969–70	R4	R4
1970–71	R3	R3
1971–72	R3	QF
1972–73	R4	R4
1973–74	R3	R2
1974–75	R4	R4
1975–76	R3	R3
1976–77	R3	R2
1977–78	R3	R2
1978–79	R3	R3
1979–80	R2	R1
1980–81	R2	R1
1981–82	R1	R2
1982–83	R3	R3
1983–84	R3	R2
1984–85	R3	R2
1985–86	R4	R2
1986–87	R4	R3
1987–88	R4	R2
1988–89	R5	R3
1989–90	QF	R1
1990–91	R3	R4
1991–92	R5	R3
1992–93	SF	R3
1993–94	R3	R2
1994–95	R3	R3
1995–96	R4	R2
1996–97	R3	R2
1997–98	SF	R3
1998–99	R5	R2
1999–2000	R4	R2
2000–01	R3	R3
2001–02	R4	R2
2002–03	SF	SF
2003–04	QF	R2
2004–05	R5	R3
2005–06	R3	R3
2006–07	R3	R3
2007–08	R5	R4
2008–09	R5	R3
2009–10	R4	R1
2010–11	R3	R1
2011–12	R4	R2
2012–13	R4	R1
2013–14	SF	R1
2014–15	R4	SF
2015–16	R3	R2
2016–17	R2	R1
2017–18	R5	R2
2018–19	R3	R1
2019–20	QF	R3
2020–21	QF	R2

 

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Top 10 seasons by % of available points won

Season	Division	Played	Win	Draw	Lost	For	Against	Points	Points if 3	% of points available	Position	Total Position	FA Cup	League Cup	Top Scorer	Goals
1892–93	Division 2	22	16	3	3	62	19	35	51	77.27	2	18	R2		Harry Hammond	22
2016–17	Division 3	46	30	10	6	92	47	100	100	72.46	1	45	R2	R1	Billy Sharp	30
1981–82	Division 4	46	27	15	4	94	41	96	96	69.57	1	69	R1	R2	Keith Edwards	36
1952–53	Division 2	42	25	10	7	97	55	60	85	67.46	1	23	R4		Alf Ringstead	24
1960–61	Division 2	42	26	6	10	81	51	58	84	66.67	2	24	SF	R2	Derek Pace	26
1897–98	Division 1	30	17	8	5	56	31	42	59	65.56	1	1	R1		Walter Bennett	12
2005–06	Division 2	46	26	12	8	76	46	90	90	65.22	2	22	R3	R3	Neil Shipperley	11
2011–12	Division 3	46	27	9	10	92	51	90	90	65.22	3	47	R4	R2	Ched Evans	35
1899–1900	Division 1	34	18	12	4	63	33	48	66	64.71	2	2	QF		Billy Beer	15
2018–19	Division 2	46	26	11	9	78	41	89	89	64.49	2	22	R3	R1	Billy Sharp	24

 

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Bottom 10 seasons by % of available points won

Season	Division	Played	Win	Draw	Lost	For	Against	Points	Points if 3	% of points available	Position	Total Position	FA Cup	League Cup	Top Scorer	Goals
2020–21	Division 1	38	7	2	29	20	63	23	23	20.18	20	20	QF	R2	David McGoldrick	8
1975–76	Division 1	42	6	10	26	33	82	22	28	22.22	22	44	R3	R3	Chris Guthrie	15
1920–21	Division 1	42	6	18	18	42	68	30	36	28.57	20	20	R1		Harry Johnson	13
2010–11	Division 2	46	11	9	26	44	79	42	42	30.43	23	43	R3	R1	Ched Evans	9
1993–94	Division 1	42	8	18	16	42	60	42	42	33.33	20	20	R3	R2	Jostein Flo	9
2006–07	Division 1	38	10	8	20	32	55	38	38	33.33	18	18	R3	R3	Rob Hulse	8
1933–34	Division 1	42	12	7	23	58	101	31	43	34.13	22	22	R3		Billy Boyd	17
1967–68	Division 1	42	11	10	21	49	70	32	43	34.13	21	43	QF	R2	Gil Reece	13
1987–88	Division 2	44	13	7	24	45	74	46	46	34.85	21	42	R4	R2	Tony Philliskirk	11
1948–49	Division 1	42	11	11	20	57	78	33	44	34.92	22	44	R4		Colin Collindridge	17

 

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Top 10 seasons with the most goals per game

Season	Division	Played	Win	Draw	Lost	For	Against	GD	Total Goals	GPG	Points	Points if 3
1929–30	Division 1	42	15	6	21	91	96	-5	187	4.45	36	51
1925–26	Division 1	42	19	8	15	102	82	20	184	4.38	46	65
1928–29	Division 1	42	15	11	16	86	85	1	171	4.07	41	56
1951–52	Division 2	42	18	5	19	90	76	14	166	3.95	41	59
1927–28	Division 1	42	15	10	17	79	86	-7	165	3.93	40	55
1946–47	Division 1	42	21	7	14	89	75	14	164	3.90	49	70
1956–57	Division 2	42	19	8	15	87	76	11	163	3.88	46	65
1930–31	Division 1	42	14	10	18	78	84	-6	162	3.86	38	52
1926–27	Division 1	42	17	10	15	74	86	-12	160	3.81	44	61
1933–34	Division 1	42	12	7	23	58	101	-43	159	3.79	31	43

 

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Bottom 10 seasons with the worst Goals per game

Season	Division	Played	Win	Draw	Lost	For	Against	GD	Total Goals	GPG	Points	Points if 3
2013–14	Division 3	46	18	13	15	48	46	2	94	2.04	67	67
2019–20	Division 1	38	14	12	12	39	39	0	78	2.05	54	54
2012–13	Division 3	46	19	18	9	56	42	14	98	2.13	75	75
2020–21	Division 1	38	7	2	29	20	63	-43	83	2.18	23	23
2000–01	Division 2	46	19	11	16	52	49	3	101	2.20	68	68
1973–74	Division 1	42	14	12	16	44	49	-5	93	2.21	40	54
2008–09	Division 2	46	22	14	10	64	39	25	103	2.24	80	80
2006–07	Division 1	38	10	8	20	32	55	-23	87	2.29	38	38
2017–18	Division 2	46	19	8	15	57	49	8	106	2.30	65	65
2001–02	Division 2	46	15	15	16	53	54	-1	107	2.33	60	60

 

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Top 10 most valuable goal scorers (by % of goals scored)

Season	Division	Played	For	Top Scorer	Goals	% Goals
1930–31	Division 1	42	78	Jimmy Dunne	50	64.10%
1927–28	Division 1	42	79	Harry Johnson	43	54.43%
1935–36	Division 2	42	79	Jock Dodds	41	51.90%
1972–73	Division 1	42	51	Bill Dearden	25	49.02%
1959–60	Division 2	42	68	Derek Pace	33	48.53%
1983–84	Division 3	46	86	Keith Edwards	41	47.67%
1990–91	Division 1	38	36	Brian Deane	17	47.22%
1929–30	Division 1	42	91	Jimmy Dunne	42	46.15%
1961–62	Division 1	42	61	Derek Pace	28	45.90%
1975–76	Division 1	42	33	Chris Guthrie	15	45.45%

 

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

Top Scorer

Season	Top Scorer	Goals
1892–93	Harry Hammond	22​
1893–94	Bob Hill	11​
1894–95	Harry Hammond	15​
1895–96	Harry Hammond	12​
1896–97	Fred Priest	12​
1897–98	Walter Bennett	12​
1898–99	George Hedley	12​
1899–1900	Billy Beer	15​
1900–01	Walter Bennett	12​
1901–02	Fred Priest	21​
1902–03	Fred Priest	10​
1903–04	Arthur Brown	20​
1904–05	Arthur Brown	22​
1905–06	Arthur Brown	19​
1906–07	Arthur Brown	22​
1907–08	Arthur Brown	16​
1908–09	Wally Hardinge	11​
1909–10	Joe Kitchen	21​
1910–11	Joe Kitchen	18​
1911–12	Bobby Evans	12​
1912–13	Wally Hardinge	11​
1913–14	Stan Fazackerley	23​
1914–15	Joe Kitchen	16​
1919–20	Stan Fazackerley	15​
1920–21	Harry Johnson	13​
1921–22	Harry Johnson	17​
1922–23	Harry Johnson	19​
1923–24	Billy Gillespie	16​
1924–25	Harry Johnson	22​
1925–26	Harry Johnson	27​
1926–27	Harry Johnson	24​
1927–28	Harry Johnson	43​
1928–29	Harry Johnson	31​
1929–30	Jimmy Dunne	42​
1930–31	Jimmy Dunne	50​
1931–32	Jimmy Dunne	35​
1932–33	Jimmy Dunne	32​
1933–34	Billy Boyd	17​
1934–35	Jock Dodds	19​
1935–36	Jock Dodds	41​
1936–37	Jock Dodds	28​
1937–38	Jock Dodds	23​
1938–39	Jock Dodds	20​
1946–47	Colin Collindridge	18​
1947–48	Colin Collindridge	12​
1948–49	Colin Collindridge	17​
1949–50	Harold Brook	21​
1950–51	Jimmy Hagan	17​
1951–52	Alf Ringstead	27​
1952–53	Alf Ringstead	24​
1953–54	Harold Brook	14​
1954–55	Derek Hawksworth	14​
1955–56	Bobby Howitt	14​
1956–57	Derek Hawksworth	22​
1957–58	Derek Pace	21​
1958–59	Derek Pace	31​
1959–60	Derek Pace	33​
1960–61	Derek Pace	26​
1961–62	Derek Pace	28​
1962–63	Derek Pace	21​
1963–64	Derek Pace	15​
1964–65	Mick Jones	17​
1965–66	Mick Jones	22​
1966–67	Mick Jones	21​
1967–68	Gil Reece	13​
1968–69	John Tudor	16​
1969–70	Alan Woodward	22​
1970–71	Alan Woodward	17​
1971–72	Alan Woodward	20​
1972–73	Bill Dearden	25​
1973–74	Alan Woodward	18​
1974–75	Alan Woodward	16​
1975–76	Chris Guthrie	15​
1976–77	Keith Edwards	18​
1977–78	Keith Edwards	15​
1978–79	Peter Anderson	12​
1979–80	Jeff Bourne	11​
1980–81	Bob Hatton	23​
1981–82	Keith Edwards	36​
1982–83	Keith Edwards	24​
1983–84	Keith Edwards	41​
1984–85	Keith Edwards	15​
1985–86	Keith Edwards	21​
1986–87	Steve Foley	12​
1987–88	Tony Philliskirk	11​
1988–89	Tony Agana	31​
1989–90	Brian Deane	24​
1990–91	Brian Deane	17​
1991–92	Brian Deane	16​
1992–93	Brian Deane	19​
1993–94	Jostein Flo	9​
1994–95	Nathan Blake	18​
1995–96	Nathan Blake	12​
1996–97	Andy Walker	15​
1997–98	Brian Deane	13​
1998–99	Marcelo	20​
1999–2000	Marcus Bent	16​
2000–01	Marcus Bent	8​
2001–02	Carl Asaba	7​
2002–03	Michael Brown	22​
2003–04	Jack Lester	15​
2004–05	Andy Gray	18​
2005–06	Neil Shipperley	11​
2006–07	Rob Hulse	8​
2007–08	James Beattie	22​
2008–09	James Beattie	12​
2009–10	Richard Cresswell	14​
2010–11	Ched Evans	9​
2011–12	Ched Evans	35​
2012–13	Nick Blackman	14​
2013–14	Chris Porter	11​
2014–15	Jose Baxter	13​
2015–16	Billy Sharp	21​
2016–17	Billy Sharp	30​
2017–18	Leon Clarke	19​
2018–19	Billy Sharp	24​
2019–20	Oli McBurnie	6​
2020–21	David McGoldrick	8​

Looking at that, I went over to Jock Dodds' wiki page. 308 apps / 201 goals

 

[Silent Blade]

Top 10 seasons with the most goals per game

Season	Division	Played	Win	Draw	Lost	For	Against	GD	Total Goals	GPG	Points	Points if 3
1929–30	Division 1	42	15	6	21	91	96	-5	187	4.45	36	51
1925–26	Division 1	42	19	8	15	102	82	20	184	4.38	46	65
1928–29	Division 1	42	15	11	16	86	85	1	171	4.07	41	56
1951–52	Division 2	42	18	5	19	90	76	14	166	3.95	41	59
1927–28	Division 1	42	15	10	17	79	86	-7	165	3.93	40	55
1946–47	Division 1	42	21	7	14	89	75	14	164	3.90	49	70
1956–57	Division 2	42	19	8	15	87	76	11	163	3.88	46	65
1930–31	Division 1	42	14	10	18	78	84	-6	162	3.86	38	52
1926–27	Division 1	42	17	10	15	74	86	-12	160	3.81	44	61
1933–34	Division 1	42	12	7	23	58	101	-43	159	3.79	31	43

We scored more in 1925-26 than in 1929-30?
Offside rules were changed in 1925 and many defenders couldnt cope with the new rules

 

[Silent Blade]

Top 10 most valuable goal scorers (by % of goals scored)

Season	Division	Played	For	Top Scorer	Goals	% Goals
1930–31	Division 1	42	78	Jimmy Dunne	50	64.10%
1927–28	Division 1	42	79	Harry Johnson	43	54.43%
1935–36	Division 2	42	79	Jock Dodds	41	51.90%
1972–73	Division 1	42	51	Bill Dearden	25	49.02%
1959–60	Division 2	42	68	Derek Pace	33	48.53%
1983–84	Division 3	46	86	Keith Edwards	41	47.67%
1990–91	Division 1	38	36	Brian Deane	17	47.22%
1929–30	Division 1	42	91	Jimmy Dunne	42	46.15%
1961–62	Division 1	42	61	Derek Pace	28	45.90%
1975–76	Division 1	42	33	Chris Guthrie	15	45.45%

You havent removed the goals scored in the Cup. Dunne scored 41 league goals in 1930-31

 

[Guesty]

Jimmy Dunne's goalscoring was ridiculous. All in the top flight as well.

Harry Johnson too, as an encore he went on to be the record scorer for a second club, Mansfield. I'm not sure if anyone else has managed that in English football.

 

[Bert]

Jimmy Dunne's goalscoring was ridiculous. All in the top flight as well.

Harry Johnson too, as an encore he went on to be the record scorer for a second club, Mansfield. I'm not sure if anyone else has managed that in English football.

Harry Johnson.
Remarkably he was a part time footballer, working at Hadfield Steel throughout his career.

You can also throw in that he fought in the First World War.

 

[drblade]

IMHO Harry Johnson is our greatest ever player.

 

[Revolution]

Jimmy Dunne's goalscoring was ridiculous. All in the top flight as well.

As good as Dunne and Johnson were, they were helped (Dunne more than Johnson) by the change in the offside law in 1925, which pushed up scoring considerably for 10 years or so. Many of the players who were record scorers for their clubs or who are in the top 10 to 20 of all time scored their goals in this period. Dixie Dean and George Camsell are two others to “benefit” from this.

If you take goals scored v average goals scored in the relevant season, those guys still look good, but players with great records outside that era - Jimmy Greaves, Alan Shearer, Steve Bloomer - really stand out. In fact I would say that the mantle of best top flight striker of all time belongs to one of those 3 or Dean.

 

[Isaw Joeshaw]

Does Oli McBurnie hold the all time record for being a club’s top scorer with just 6 goals in a season ?

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Does Oli McBurnie hold the all time record for being a club’s top scorer with just 6 goals in a season ?

As always, Derby in 2007-08 can beat it.

Kenny Miller was their top scorer that season in the league with 4.

 

[Revolution]

Does Oli McBurnie hold the all time record for being a club’s top scorer with just 6 goals in a season ?

McBurnie and Mousset were joint top scorers with 6 each.

In terms of total goals, this is the lowest. In terms of league goals, it is tied with David Kelly, who scored 6 in 2000-01 (Marcus Bent top scored in total goals for the season, but 3 of his 8 were in the League Cup)

 

[Silent Blade]

As good as Dunne and Johnson were, they were helped (Dunne more than Johnson) by the change in the offside law in 1925, which pushed up scoring considerably for 10 years or so. Many of the players who were record scorers for their clubs or who are in the top 10 to 20 of all time scored their goals in this period. Dixie Dean and George Camsell are two others to “benefit” from this.

If you take goals scored v average goals scored in the relevant season, those guys still look good, but players with great records outside that era - Jimmy Greaves, Alan Shearer, Steve Bloomer - really stand out. In fact I would say that the mantle of best top flight striker of all time belongs to one of those 3 or Dean.

George Camsell's grandnephew is a Blade and posts in here!

 

[Revolution]

Top 10 most valuable goal scorers (by % of goals scored)

Season	Division	Played	For	Top Scorer	Goals	% Goals
1930–31	Division 1	42	78	Jimmy Dunne	50	64.10%
1927–28	Division 1	42	79	Harry Johnson	43	54.43%
1935–36	Division 2	42	79	Jock Dodds	41	51.90%
1972–73	Division 1	42	51	Bill Dearden	25	49.02%
1959–60	Division 2	42	68	Derek Pace	33	48.53%
1983–84	Division 3	46	86	Keith Edwards	41	47.67%
1990–91	Division 1	38	36	Brian Deane	17	47.22%
1929–30	Division 1	42	91	Jimmy Dunne	42	46.15%
1961–62	Division 1	42	61	Derek Pace	28	45.90%
1975–76	Division 1	42	33	Chris Guthrie	15	45.45%

These numbers are all incorrect. They count cup goals as well as league goals. Dunne scored 41 league goals in 1931, not 50, and so on.

Edit- Silent beat me to it.

 

[DifferentClass]

I

Top Scorer

Season	Top Scorer	Goals
1892–93	Harry Hammond	22​
1893–94	Bob Hill	11​
1894–95	Harry Hammond	15​
1895–96	Harry Hammond	12​
1896–97	Fred Priest	12​
1897–98	Walter Bennett	12​
1898–99	George Hedley	12​
1899–1900	Billy Beer	15​
1900–01	Walter Bennett	12​
1901–02	Fred Priest	21​
1902–03	Fred Priest	10​
1903–04	Arthur Brown	20​
1904–05	Arthur Brown	22​
1905–06	Arthur Brown	19​
1906–07	Arthur Brown	22​
1907–08	Arthur Brown	16​
1908–09	Wally Hardinge	11​
1909–10	Joe Kitchen	21​
1910–11	Joe Kitchen	18​
1911–12	Bobby Evans	12​
1912–13	Wally Hardinge	11​
1913–14	Stan Fazackerley	23​
1914–15	Joe Kitchen	16​
1919–20	Stan Fazackerley	15​
1920–21	Harry Johnson	13​
1921–22	Harry Johnson	17​
1922–23	Harry Johnson	19​
1923–24	Billy Gillespie	16​
1924–25	Harry Johnson	22​
1925–26	Harry Johnson	27​
1926–27	Harry Johnson	24​
1927–28	Harry Johnson	43​
1928–29	Harry Johnson	31​
1929–30	Jimmy Dunne	42​
1930–31	Jimmy Dunne	50​
1931–32	Jimmy Dunne	35​
1932–33	Jimmy Dunne	32​
1933–34	Billy Boyd	17​
1934–35	Jock Dodds	19​
1935–36	Jock Dodds	41​
1936–37	Jock Dodds	28​
1937–38	Jock Dodds	23​
1938–39	Jock Dodds	20​
1946–47	Colin Collindridge	18​
1947–48	Colin Collindridge	12​
1948–49	Colin Collindridge	17​
1949–50	Harold Brook	21​
1950–51	Jimmy Hagan	17​
1951–52	Alf Ringstead	27​
1952–53	Alf Ringstead	24​
1953–54	Harold Brook	14​
1954–55	Derek Hawksworth	14​
1955–56	Bobby Howitt	14​
1956–57	Derek Hawksworth	22​
1957–58	Derek Pace	21​
1958–59	Derek Pace	31​
1959–60	Derek Pace	33​
1960–61	Derek Pace	26​
1961–62	Derek Pace	28​
1962–63	Derek Pace	21​
1963–64	Derek Pace	15​
1964–65	Mick Jones	17​
1965–66	Mick Jones	22​
1966–67	Mick Jones	21​
1967–68	Gil Reece	13​
1968–69	John Tudor	16​
1969–70	Alan Woodward	22​
1970–71	Alan Woodward	17​
1971–72	Alan Woodward	20​
1972–73	Bill Dearden	25​
1973–74	Alan Woodward	18​
1974–75	Alan Woodward	16​
1975–76	Chris Guthrie	15​
1976–77	Keith Edwards	18​
1977–78	Keith Edwards	15​
1978–79	Peter Anderson	12​
1979–80	Jeff Bourne	11​
1980–81	Bob Hatton	23​
1981–82	Keith Edwards	36​
1982–83	Keith Edwards	24​
1983–84	Keith Edwards	41​
1984–85	Keith Edwards	15​
1985–86	Keith Edwards	21​
1986–87	Steve Foley	12​
1987–88	Tony Philliskirk	11​
1988–89	Tony Agana	31​
1989–90	Brian Deane	24​
1990–91	Brian Deane	17​
1991–92	Brian Deane	16​
1992–93	Brian Deane	19​
1993–94	Jostein Flo	9​
1994–95	Nathan Blake	18​
1995–96	Nathan Blake	12​
1996–97	Andy Walker	15​
1997–98	Brian Deane	13​
1998–99	Marcelo	20​
1999–2000	Marcus Bent	16​
2000–01	Marcus Bent	8​
2001–02	Carl Asaba	7​
2002–03	Michael Brown	22​
2003–04	Jack Lester	15​
2004–05	Andy Gray	18​
2005–06	Neil Shipperley	11​
2006–07	Rob Hulse	8​
2007–08	James Beattie	22​
2008–09	James Beattie	12​
2009–10	Richard Cresswell	14​
2010–11	Ched Evans	9​
2011–12	Ched Evans	35​
2012–13	Nick Blackman	14​
2013–14	Chris Porter	11​
2014–15	Jose Baxter	13​
2015–16	Billy Sharp	21​
2016–17	Billy Sharp	30​
2017–18	Leon Clarke	19​
2018–19	Billy Sharp	24​
2019–20	Oli McBurnie	6​
2020–21	David McGoldrick	8​

I for one am shocked our top scorer in 20-21 scored more than our top scorer in 19-20

 

[CarlMcBlade]

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We’re just nothing more than a bunch of glory-hunters eh?

 

[Revolution]

Top Scorer

Season	Top Scorer	Goals
1892–93	Harry Hammond	22​
1893–94	Bob Hill	11​
1894–95	Harry Hammond	15​
1895–96	Harry Hammond	12​
1896–97	Fred Priest	12​
1897–98	Walter Bennett	12​
1898–99	George Hedley	12​
1899–1900	Billy Beer	15​
1900–01	Walter Bennett	12​
1901–02	Fred Priest	21​
1902–03	Fred Priest	10​
1903–04	Arthur Brown	20​
1904–05	Arthur Brown	22​
1905–06	Arthur Brown	19​
1906–07	Arthur Brown	22​
1907–08	Arthur Brown	16​
1908–09	Wally Hardinge	11​
1909–10	Joe Kitchen	21​
1910–11	Joe Kitchen	18​
1911–12	Bobby Evans	12​
1912–13	Wally Hardinge	11​
1913–14	Stan Fazackerley	23​
1914–15	Joe Kitchen	16​
1919–20	Stan Fazackerley	15​
1920–21	Harry Johnson	13​
1921–22	Harry Johnson	17​
1922–23	Harry Johnson	19​
1923–24	Billy Gillespie	16​
1924–25	Harry Johnson	22​
1925–26	Harry Johnson	27​
1926–27	Harry Johnson	24​
1927–28	Harry Johnson	43​
1928–29	Harry Johnson	31​
1929–30	Jimmy Dunne	42​
1930–31	Jimmy Dunne	50​
1931–32	Jimmy Dunne	35​
1932–33	Jimmy Dunne	32​
1933–34	Billy Boyd	17​
1934–35	Jock Dodds	19​
1935–36	Jock Dodds	41​
1936–37	Jock Dodds	28​
1937–38	Jock Dodds	23​
1938–39	Jock Dodds	20​
1946–47	Colin Collindridge	18​
1947–48	Colin Collindridge	12​
1948–49	Colin Collindridge	17​
1949–50	Harold Brook	21​
1950–51	Jimmy Hagan	17​
1951–52	Alf Ringstead	27​
1952–53	Alf Ringstead	24​
1953–54	Harold Brook	14​
1954–55	Derek Hawksworth	14​
1955–56	Bobby Howitt	14​
1956–57	Derek Hawksworth	22​
1957–58	Derek Pace	21​
1958–59	Derek Pace	31​
1959–60	Derek Pace	33​
1960–61	Derek Pace	26​
1961–62	Derek Pace	28​
1962–63	Derek Pace	21​
1963–64	Derek Pace	15​
1964–65	Mick Jones	17​
1965–66	Mick Jones	22​
1966–67	Mick Jones	21​
1967–68	Gil Reece	13​
1968–69	John Tudor	16​
1969–70	Alan Woodward	22​
1970–71	Alan Woodward	17​
1971–72	Alan Woodward	20​
1972–73	Bill Dearden	25​
1973–74	Alan Woodward	18​
1974–75	Alan Woodward	16​
1975–76	Chris Guthrie	15​
1976–77	Keith Edwards	18​
1977–78	Keith Edwards	15​
1978–79	Peter Anderson	12​
1979–80	Jeff Bourne	11​
1980–81	Bob Hatton	23​
1981–82	Keith Edwards	36​
1982–83	Keith Edwards	24​
1983–84	Keith Edwards	41​
1984–85	Keith Edwards	15​
1985–86	Keith Edwards	21​
1986–87	Steve Foley	12​
1987–88	Tony Philliskirk	11​
1988–89	Tony Agana	31​
1989–90	Brian Deane	24​
1990–91	Brian Deane	17​
1991–92	Brian Deane	16​
1992–93	Brian Deane	19​
1993–94	Jostein Flo	9​
1994–95	Nathan Blake	18​
1995–96	Nathan Blake	12​
1996–97	Andy Walker	15​
1997–98	Brian Deane	13​
1998–99	Marcelo	20​
1999–2000	Marcus Bent	16​
2000–01	Marcus Bent	8​
2001–02	Carl Asaba	7​
2002–03	Michael Brown	22​
2003–04	Jack Lester	15​
2004–05	Andy Gray	18​
2005–06	Neil Shipperley	11​
2006–07	Rob Hulse	8​
2007–08	James Beattie	22​
2008–09	James Beattie	12​
2009–10	Richard Cresswell	14​
2010–11	Ched Evans	9​
2011–12	Ched Evans	35​
2012–13	Nick Blackman	14​
2013–14	Chris Porter	11​
2014–15	Jose Baxter	13​
2015–16	Billy Sharp	21​
2016–17	Billy Sharp	30​
2017–18	Leon Clarke	19​
2018–19	Billy Sharp	24​
2019–20	Oli McBurnie	6​
2020–21	David McGoldrick	8​

The following players were top league scorers but are not in the above list because the player listed outscored them in league and cup combined:

1982/3 - Colin Morris outscored King Keith 14 to 13. Edwards scored 10 cup goals (5 FA Cup and 5 League Cup). That was the only season in which he played more than a handful of games that Edwards was not top league scorer for us.
1986/7 - Peter Beagrie tied Steve Foley with 9 league goals
1996/7 Petr Kachouro tied Andy Walker with 12 league goals.
2000/1 - David Kelly outscored Marcus Bent 6 to 5. Bent got a hattrick in the league cup.
2014/15 - Jamie Murphy outscored Jose Baxter 11 to 10 in the league. Baxter scored two more cup goals

Another fun fact: Blake (1995-6), Deane (1997-8) Bent (2000-1) Beattie (2008-9) and Blackman (2012-13) all top scored despite being sold before February. The last 3 were sold in January, Blake in December, and Bent in November!

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Top 10 seasons on % of points available gained: 2 of those 10 seasons are under Wilder, at a glance the only one of our managers to achieve that. He was here for less than 5 seasons. There is more to management than stats, but that is quite revealing.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Top 10 seasons on % of points available gained: 2 of those 10 seasons are under Wilder, at a glance the only one of our managers to achieve that. He was here for less than 5 seasons. There is more to management than stats, but that is quite revealing.

Even without the numbers I think you could say we were a dominant team in both promotion seasons

 

[Carlton Blade]

As good as Dunne and Johnson were, they were helped (Dunne more than Johnson) by the change in the offside law in 1925, which pushed up scoring considerably for 10 years or so. Many of the players who were record scorers for their clubs or who are in the top 10 to 20 of all time scored their goals in this period. Dixie Dean and George Camsell are two others to “benefit” from this.

If you take goals scored v average goals scored in the relevant season, those guys still look good, but players with great records outside that era - Jimmy Greaves, Alan Shearer, Steve Bloomer - really stand out. In fact I would say that the mantle of best top flight striker of all time belongs to one of those 3 or Dean.

I've always been fascinated with Bloomer. Has to be the least well known superstar footballer

 

[Revolution]

I've always been fascinated with Bloomer. Has to be the least well known superstar footballer

I think there is a very good argument that Bloomer was the best player who played before the Great War. It's a shame he's not more widely known.

If you are interested in Bloomer, I cannot recommend The Ruhleben Football Association, by Paul Brown, highly enough. It focusses on Bloomer's internment in Germany during WW1 (he was coaching there when the War broke out) and also touches on his life generally. A terrific book.

 

[mattbianco1]

Using a points based system as follows:

Top Flight Season = 5
League Cup Win = 10
FA Cup Win = 25
League Title = 50

Here is the updated list of most successful DOMESTIC clubs in England.

	Top Flight Seasons	Pts	League Cup Wins	Pts	FA Cup Wins	Pts	League Titles	Pts	Overall Points
MANCHESTER UNITED	97	485	5	50	12	300	20	1000	1835
LIVERPOOL	107	535	8	80	7	175	19	950	1740
ARSENAL	105	525	2	20	14	350	13	650	1545
EVERTON	119	595	0	0	5	125	9	450	1170
ASTON VILLA	108	540	5	50	7	175	7	350	1115
MANCHESTER CITY	93	465	8	80	6	150	7	350	1045
CHELSEA	87	435	5	50	8	200	6	300	985
NEWCASTLE UNITED	90	450	0	0	6	150	4	200	800
SUNDERLAND	86	430	0	0	2	50	6	300	780
TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR	87	435	4	40	8	200	2	100	775
BLACKBURN ROVERS	72	360	1	10	6	150	3	150	670
SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY	66	330	1	10	3	75	4	200	615
WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS	67	335	2	20	4	100	3	150	605
WEST BROMWICH ALBION	82	410	1	10	5	125	1	50	595
BOLTON WANDERERS	73	365	0	0	4	100	0	0	465
SHEFFIELD UNITED	62	310	0	0	4	100	1	50	460
DERBY COUNTY	65	325	0	0	1	25	2	100	450
LEEDS UNITED	52	260	1	10	1	25	3	150	445
NOTTINGHAM FOREST	56	280	4	40	2	50	1	50	420
BURNLEY	59	295	0	0	1	25	2	100	420
WEST HAM UNITED	64	320	0	0	3	75	0	0	395
PRESTON NORTH END	46	230	0	0	2	50	2	100	380
LEICESTER CITY	55	275	3	30	1	25	1	50	380
HUDDERSFIELD TOWN	32	160	0	0	1	25	3	150	335
STOKE CITY	62	310	1	10	0	0	0	0	320
MIDDLESBROUGH	61	305	1	10	0	0	0	0	315
PORTSMOUTH	33	165	0	0	2	50	2	100	315
BIRMINGHAM CITY	57	285	2	20	0	0	0	0	305
SOUTHAMPTON	43	215	0	0	1	25	0	0	240
IPSWICH TOWN	27	135	0	0	1	25	1	50	210
COVENTRY CITY	34	170	0	0	1	25	0	0	195
NOTTS COUNTY	30	150	0	0	1	25	0	0	175
BLACKPOOL	28	140	0	0	1	25	0	0	165
BURY	22	110	0	0	2	50	0	0	160
CHARLTON ATHLETIC	26	130	0	0	1	25	0	0	155
NORWICH CITY	27	135	2	20	0	0	0	0	155
FULHAM	26	130	0	0	0	0	0	0	130
QUEENS PARK RANGERS	23	115	1	10	0	0	0	0	125
THE WANDERERS	0	0	0	0	5	125	0	0	125
CARDIFF CITY	17	85	0	0	1	25	0	0	110
WIMBLEDON	14	70	0	0	1	25	0	0	95
LUTON TOWN	16	80	1	10	0	0	0	0	90
BRADFORD CITY	12	60	0	0	1	25	0	0	85
WATFORD	14	70	0	0	0	0	0	0	70
WIGAN ATHLETIC	8	40	0	0	1	25	0	0	65
GRIMSBY	12	60	0	0	0	0	0	0	60
OLDHAM	12	60	0	0	0	0	0	0	60
SWANSEA CITY	9	45	1	10	0	0	0	0	55
OLD ETONIANS	0	0	0	0	2	50	0	0	50
BRIGHTON	9	45	0	0	0	0	0	0	45
BARNSLEY	1	5	0	0	1	25	0	0	30
BRENTFORD	6	30	0	0	0	0	0	0	30
ACCRINGTON	5	25	0	0	0	0	0	0	25
AFC BOURNEMOUTH	5	25	0	0	0	0	0	0	25
BLACKBURN OLYMPIC	0	0	0	0	1	25	0	0	25
CLAPHAM ROVERS	0	0	0	0	1	25	0	0	25
HULL	5	25	0	0	0	0	0	0	25
OLD CARTHUSIANS	0	0	0	0	1	25	0	0	25
OXFORD UNITED	3	15	1	10	0	0	0	0	25
OXFORD UNIVERSITY	0	0	0	0	1	25	0	0	25
ROYAL ENGINEERS	0	0	0	0	1	25	0	0	25
BRADFORD PA	3	15	0	0	0	0	0	0	15
READING	3	15	0	0	0	0	0	0	15
SWINDON TOWN	1	5	1	10	0	0	0	0	15
DARWEN	2	10	0	0	0	0	0	0	10
GLOSSOP	1	5	0	0	0	0	0	0	5
LEYTON ORIENT	1	5	0	0	0	0	0	0	5
NORTHAMPTON	1	5	0	0	0	0	0	0	5

 

[MJM]

Cheers for these Carlton Blade really interesting read!

So I wasn't over-reacting when I said that last season was the worst ever season in United's history

 

[Alan Birchenall's hair]

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Nice work on the goalscorers. But the 1st graph seems to have us outside the top flight from 1934-1990.....