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sorry but I don't have to offer a solution, I am merely pointing out that players can't be bought and sold like tins of baked beans, we can all complain that this player or that player isn't good enough, but we can't get rid of them without consequences, Lowe to Forest, looks like we may cover a % of his wages, okay he is surplus to requirements and paying 10/20/30% is better than 100 % but as for the others, numerous 'stories' in the press Slav is happy to move on a few Burke/Brewster, but unless someone cones in with an offer, they aren't going anywhere

I’m just not willing to accept we can’t do anything about our current predicament. Other clubs find a way, so should we. If we end up at the arse end of the table this year, putting our fingers in their ears and saying “…but it’s really difficult” isn’t going to wash with the fanbase. Particularly with Fulham and West Brom giving it a good lick.
 




I’m just not willing to accept we can’t do anything about our current predicament. Other clubs find a way, so should we. If we end up at the arse end of the table this year, putting our fingers in their ears and saying “…but it’s really difficult” isn’t going to wash with the fanbase. Particularly with Fulham and West Brom giving it a good lick.
Hate to break it to you or anyone else, but it doesn't matter if you accept it or not, its out of your, mine and everyone elses hands, unless hiding amongst us is a multi millionaire with money to burn.
Fulham and WBA have richer owners than we do, thats a fact, Fulham have the added benefit of location, quite a pull regards player recruitment, the exact opposite of the much publicised complaint from numerous former Sunderland managers.
As for the other clubs find a way, who and how? And at what risk to the clubs concerned?
 
Hate to break it to you or anyone else, but it doesn't matter if you accept it or not, its out of your, mine and everyone elses hands, unless hiding amongst us is a multi millionaire with money to burn.
Fulham and WBA have richer owners than we do, thats a fact, Fulham have the added benefit of location, quite a pull regards player recruitment, the exact opposite of the much publicised complaint from numerous former Sunderland managers.
As for the other clubs find a way, who and how? And at what risk to the clubs concerned?

We’ve made the fewest signings out of all of the 24 Championship clubs. We can’t be the least equipped club to make loan / free transfer signings in the whole league.
 
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We’ve made the fewest signings out of all of the 24 Championship clubs. We can’t be the least equipped club to make loan / free transfer signings in the whole league.
Well we are, you just said as much, the question remains the same, why? Is it because clubs have gone back on what they said two months ago, that player X is no longer available, has the player or his agent turned an offer down, has the player taken the option to wait and see if anyone comes in for him, we don't know.
If we want players that improve the squad, that walk straight into the first team, will we be the only clubs chasing them? It seems amongst a few people on here the club is at fault for chasing Diallo for example because its not going to happen, and yet the same critics complain signing x player isn't ambitious enough
 
Well we are, you just said as much, the question remains the same, why? Is it because clubs have gone back on what they said two months ago, that player X is no longer available, has the player or his agent turned an offer down, has the player taken the option to wait and see if anyone comes in for him, we don't know.
If we want players that improve the squad, that walk straight into the first team, will we be the only clubs chasing them? It seems amongst a few people on here the club is at fault for chasing Diallo for example because its not going to happen, and yet the same critics complain signing x player isn't ambitious enough

I fear there’ll be plenty of excuses, yes.
 
I fear there’ll be plenty of excuses, yes.
So if we don't sign a player, you assume any reasoning published, ie Garner chose Forest over us, because he knows their manager, is an excuse, And we should just have got the deal done, by any means because, well anything else is just an excuse? Viera failing a medical, excuse, Diallo choosing Atalanta or Man U demanding a huge loan fee, just more excuses?
 
But we're not after an 11 player clear out are we, it's ,a couple of players who have for some reason or other thrown in the towel, and I'm sure I don't have to name them because most fans can see it,
We desperately need leaders, Billy's one but it farther back that's the problem, the midfield are not doing their job for some reason and it's killing the team. IMO
 
But we're not after an 11 player clear out are we, it's ,a couple of players who have for some reason or other thrown in the towel, and I'm sure I don't have to name them because most fans can see it,
We desperately need leaders, Billy's one but it farther back that's the problem, the midfield are not doing their job for some reason and it's killing the team.
I completely agre, but here is just one issue, if the U23s can't replace them, we either buy or loan players that can, what next, loan the U23s out, or loan the former first teamers, we can't sell and replace without a buyer, offloading our deadwood as some people demand means they go to a club that has worse players than ours, that would seem to limit the market, to smaller clubs, smaller clubs that have less money and pay lower wages.
 
Putting forward augments as to why we aren't doing it doesn't alter the fact that if it's not done next season we will be playing football in Div 1 with the same midfield...
That’s nothing even close to being a fact.
It needs sorting if it fails miserably, but we’re not looking at being in league one next season even if we sign no one and it’s certainly not a fact.
 
Putting forward augments as to why we aren't doing it doesn't alter the fact that if it's not done next season we will be playing football in Div 1 with the same midfield...
Much like slagging off the current players for not playing as well as 2/3 years ago, or demanding they are sold and replaced.
 
sorry but I don't have to offer a solution, I am merely pointing out that players can't be bought and sold like tins of baked beans, we can all complain that this player or that player isn't good enough, but we can't get rid of them without consequences, Lowe to Forest, looks like we may cover a % of his wages, okay he is surplus to requirements and paying 10/20/30% is better than 100 % but as for the others, numerous 'stories' in the press Slav is happy to move on a few Burke/Brewster, but unless someone cones in with an offer, they aren't going anywhere
Completely agree with everything you’ve said which is unfortunate for the club’s position, but handing out lavish long term deals has to be done carefully. No matter how well paid, footballers are, they have access to the same employment rights as any other citizen with the right to work in the UK.
 
I’m just not willing to accept we can’t do anything about our current predicament. Other clubs find a way, so should we. If we end up at the arse end of the table this year, putting our fingers in their ears and saying “…but it’s really difficult” isn’t going to wash with the fanbase. Particularly with Fulham and West Brom giving it a good lick.
I think the only thing we can do is cut our asking prices to try and get more interest
 



Completely agree with everything you’ve said which is unfortunate for the club’s position, but handing out lavish long term deals has to be done carefully. No matter how well paid, footballers are, they have access to the same employment rights as any other citizen with the right to work in the UK.
I don't think its anything new, supporters of every club are always willing to buy/sell certain players, all safe in the knowledge that, they will never be in a position to do so, and won't be judged on results.
 
But we're not after an 11 player clear out are we, it's ,a couple of players who have for some reason or other thrown in the towel, and I'm sure I don't have to name them because most fans can see it,
We desperately need leaders, Billy's one but it farther back that's the problem, the midfield are not doing their job for some reason and it's killing the team. IMO

And your plan for moving forward?
 
I don't think its anything new, supporters of every club are always willing to buy/sell certain players, all safe in the knowledge that, they will never be in a position to do so, and won't be judged on results.
The Rodwell situation at Sunderland was a pretty good microcosm of this. The club gave him a bumper deal, which both parties signed up to. When they hit the bricks they tried everything to cut their wage bill but ultimately, he was entitled legally to collect his pay packet and not accept a move, so long as he didn’t do anything that would be construed as a material breach of contract. Whatever you think about the ethics of the situation, he didn’t do anything wrong contractually.
 
Just a few weeks ago Berge was going to be a cheat code at this level, and if anyone had suggested selling Fleck, Norwood, or Dids after the first season there would have been even worse uproar than what we saw this week with Jebbo. Now they’re all dugshite and should be bombed even if we have to pay to get rid of them and all the kids are protégés and should be brought straight in.
Maybe fans just react to what’s happening without any real understanding or knowledge of what needs to be done, which is why we have professionals at the club do it for us? Just a thought?
 
Just a few weeks ago Berge was going to be a cheat code at this level, and if anyone had suggested selling Fleck, Norwood, or Dids after the first season there would have been even worse uproar than what we saw this week with Jebbo. Now they’re all dugshite and should be bombed even if we have to pay to get rid of them and all the kids are protégés and should be brought straight in.
Maybe fans just react to what’s happening without any real understanding or knowledge of what needs to be done, which is why we have professionals at the club do it for us? Just a thought?

Fans react to what is happening, and what is happening is crap.

What professionals do we have at the club to do things and what have they achieved in recent times?
 
Fans react to what is happening, and what is happening is crap.

What professionals do we have at the club to do things and what have they achieved in recent times?
They signed Berge and Brewster, which at the time 99.9% of supporters were not just happy with, but ecstatic.
 
Fans react to what is happening, and what is happening is crap.

What professionals do we have at the club to do things and what have they achieved in recent times?
You would have had us buying all sorts of expensive past it players on big money and had Verrips in net once you sold Rammers for a lot less than we bought him for.
I really don’t think this is a discussion for you to credibly wade in on.
 
Just a few weeks ago Berge was going to be a cheat code at this level, and if anyone had suggested selling Fleck, Norwood, or Dids after the first season there would have been even worse uproar than what we saw this week with Jebbo. Now they’re all dugshite and should be bombed even if we have to pay to get rid of them and all the kids are protégés and should be brought straight in.
Maybe fans just react to what’s happening without any real understanding or knowledge of what needs to be done, which is why we have professionals at the club do it for us? Just a thought?
I think it's less to do with the quality of the players, more to do with the fact they can't play the manager wants to and that many have gone stale playing here. With a fresh start, they may well be decent at this level, but some need a fresh start. Fleck and Norwood, for a start. The fact we've not turned over our playing squad means we have too many on expensive long-term contracts and it's impossible to shift them unless you subsidise any move.
 
They signed Berge and Brewster, which at the time 99.9% of supporters were not just happy with, but ecstatic.

One was in January 2020, the other was at the end of the transfer window almost exactly 12 months ago. They haven't exactly been successful.
 
They signed Berge and Brewster, which at the time 99.9% of supporters were not just happy with, but ecstatic.
Keeping the squad together and minimise sales was also very popular. In fact it was one of the reasons given when Wilder walked because we were going to sell all the players we’d brought in. It’s not happened and now it’s a criticism as that’s what we should have done.
 
One was in January 2020, the other was at the end of the transfer window almost exactly 12 months ago. They haven't exactly been successful.
Not the fault of the transfer team, board or anyone else other than the players concerned, the transfer team did the job that was asked of them
 
You would have had us buying all sorts of expensive past it players on big money and had Verrips in net once you sold Rammers for a lot less than we bought him for.
I really don’t think this is a discussion for you to credibly wade in on.

I suggested that we look at Wilshere and Sturridge on pay as your play deals after an extensive medical with low 'prove yourself' wages on free transfers. Who did I suggest we 'buy'?

I never said we should have sold 'Rammers' for less than what we bought him for, just shouldn't have faffed around for an extra 2 million quid for most of this window then have to scramble for a replacement.

Verrips deserves not to be written off entirely with that said.
 
I think it's less to do with the quality of the players, more to do with the fact they can't play the manager wants to and that many have gone stale playing here. With a fresh start, they may well be decent at this level, but some need a fresh start. Fleck and Norwood, for a start. The fact we've not turned over our playing squad means we have too many on expensive long-term contracts and it's impossible to shift them unless you subsidise any move.
I personally think those older players could be part of our plans and look good at this level once confidence returns and they work out their roles in Slavs system. We do need new blood to get us to that place though.
 
Not the fault of the transfer team, board or anyone else other than the players concerned, the transfer team did the job that was asked of them

That's the problem, where's the joined up thinking? Strategy? Buy players not suited to our system.. hmm :(
 



Just a few weeks ago Berge was going to be a cheat code at this level, and if anyone had suggested selling Fleck, Norwood, or Dids after the first season there would have been even worse uproar than what we saw this week with Jebbo. Now they’re all dugshite and should be bombed even if we have to pay to get rid of them and all the kids are protégés and should be brought straight in.
Maybe fans just react to what’s happening without any real understanding or knowledge of what needs to be done, which is why we have professionals at the club do it for us? Just a thought?
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