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Just got this off the Sheffield star website i had hoped he had already signed a deal earlier this year obviously not.

SHEFFIELD United are still waiting to discover whether Jordan Slew, one of the stars of last season’s FA Youth Cup final squad, is prepared to commit himself to Bramall Lane next season.

The teenage striker has yet to sign the new contract he agreed earlier this year, prompting fears that he is looking to quit the South Yorkshire club following their relegation to League One.

Danny Wilson, who replaced Micky Adams at the helm soon after the former Leicester City and Brighton manager failed to preserve United’s Championship status, yesterday confirmed he held a fresh round of talks with Slew and his representative last week.

Although Wilson told The Star he remains “hopeful” that the youngster will heed academy coach John Pemberton’s advice and put footballing interests ahead of financial gain, he conceded “it is by no means 100 per cent” that Slew is prepared to formally complete his new deal.

Fulham recently had a £500,000 offer rejected by United’s board but have not been in contact since.
 



If he doesnt want to play for us then let him go, we dont need people who think they are better than we are, weve seen that the last few seasons.
 
dingledog said:
If he doesnt want to play for us then let him go, we dont need people who think they are better than we are, weve seen that the last few seasons.
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Not sure we would have anyone on the books if that was the case - all players think they are better than what they are - it's part of the confidense thing.

I am sure we are not the only club that suffers from the Billy Big Time syndrome. They are all a mercenary lot are footballers and their agents fuel the merry go round. Utd have possibly had benefit from such deals going the other way around - although on recent performances I would say we have not been very clever in picking 'em.

If he goes, he goes. Not much we can do except deride him when he plays against us - if we ever get back to those sorts of levels again.
 
davidpinder said:
Just got this off the Sheffield star website i had hoped he had already signed a deal earlier this year obviously not.

SHEFFIELD United are still waiting to discover whether Jordan Slew, one of the stars of last season’s FA Youth Cup final squad, is prepared to commit himself to Bramall Lane next season.

The teenage striker has yet to sign the new contract he agreed earlier this year, prompting fears that he is looking to quit the South Yorkshire club following their relegation to League One.

Danny Wilson, who replaced Micky Adams at the helm soon after the former Leicester City and Brighton manager failed to preserve United’s Championship status, yesterday confirmed he held a fresh round of talks with Slew and his representative last week.

Although Wilson told The Star he remains “hopeful” that the youngster will heed academy coach John Pemberton’s advice and put footballing interests ahead of financial gain, he conceded “it is by no means 100 per cent” that Slew is prepared to formally complete his new deal.

Fulham recently had a £500,000 offer rejected by United’s board but have not been in contact since.
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That seems to be old news re-drafted dp, I think they've had further talks since then although the situation does remain the same. It won't help seeing bezzy mate Kyle W doing well at the Euro U21s.

At the end of the day, it depends whether he's drawn to a quick pay rise and the bright lights ahead of footballing reasons. If he wants to go, so be it, get the best deal we can and move on.
 
Jim Chimmerney said:
That seems to be old news re-drafted dp, I think they've had further talks since then although the situation does remain the same. It won't help seeing bezzy mate Kyle W doing well at the Euro U21s.

At the end of the day, it depends whether he's drawn to a quick pay rise and the bright lights ahead of footballing reasons. If he wants to go, so be it, get the best deal we can and move on.
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Are they 'bessie mates'? I'd question that. As for being one of many clubs who suffer from players with 'Billy BigTime' syndrome, we definitely use it to our 'advantage' when selling off the family silver and its become totally the norm to assume any salable asset is some big time charlie money grabbing judas.
 
To be fair to Walker, he isn't a big time Charlie either.

Personally I think it is in Slew's interest to sign a new deal and play well next season. He would get a move to a more established club and be in a better position rather than bench warmer.

Problem is if he is wanting more than 2K/week it simply isn't going to happen. Nor should it either if we are going to get the wage bill under control.

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Jimmy Muir said:
According to the post


I know is agent is a complete Cu*t but aren't they all?

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/spor..._is_on_his_way_back_to_bramall_lane_1_3479467
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Some seem to speak well and actually have the interests of their player at heart. I remember an interview with Keiran Gibbs agent who mentioned he will probably be in more England squads than he would have Arsenal starts, but it was the best place for him to develop at the moment.
 
talk abart smoke n mirrors.............................. he's sold !
 
I think a deal should be put to him all based on his development. Apps, goals etc. then there is an incentive to do well.

If he storms the League he puts himself even more in the shop window.
 
Jim Chimmerney said:
That seems to be old news re-drafted dp, I think they've had further talks since then although the situation does remain the same. It won't help seeing bezzy mate Kyle W doing well at the Euro U21s.

At the end of the day, it depends whether he's drawn to a quick pay rise and the bright lights ahead of footballing reasons. If he wants to go, so be it, get the best deal we can and move on.
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So has he got a contract now?? i am guessing he has because fulham offered 500k in which case when does it run out??
 
puppet said:
Are they 'bessie mates'? I'd question that.
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Just a few things that have been mentioned on BM, probably rubbish :)

SotonBlade said:
I think a deal should be put to him all based on his development. Apps, goals etc. then there is an incentive to do well.

If he storms the League he puts himself even more in the shop window.
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I think I read somewhere that he's been offered a basic increase plus a cash per goal bonus.

davidpinder said:
So has he got a contract now?? i am guessing he has because fulham offered 500k in which case when does it run out??
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I think his current contract runs out at the end of next season, he'd agreed a new one prior to the end of last season but is yet to sign it.
 
Not too much longer, he wants out and isn't interested in earning 1K/week plus goal bonus.
 



I wouldn't give a raw 18 year old kid a smidgeon more than 1k! Obscene money for someone who has played 4 or 5 games.
 
I think 1k a week plus add-ons is perfectly reasonable for:

a) a kid of his age
b) a kid of his age, who's only played a handful of first team games
c) a kid of his age, who's only played a handful of first team games and who plays for a team in League 1
 
Wards said:
I wouldn't give a raw 18 year old kid a smidgeon more than 1k! Obscene money for someone who has played 4 or 5 games.
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I can understand those concerns but the way I look at it is this, is it naive to gamble on an up and coming young player from our academy? Or is it even more naive to give a journeyman that money instead just because they have more experience?

I think at a fairly reasonable 4 to 5k a week young Jordan is worth a punt so I have to agree with mr pinder on this.

Refusing to pay a youngster with potential a decent first team wage is justifiable on the grounds of them being unproven I agree, but if you then give the same or more to a 30 year old who is just going to come in and "do a job" for a couple of years, it seems a bit of a short sighted policy to me.
 
Based on his age and experience, what we've offered seems perfectly reasonable and to offer him £5K a week in our position is something we quite clearly can't (or shouldn't) do.

There's no problem in having clauses whereby the positoon is reviewed in January, bonuses for promotion etc etc etc
 
Pay him what he wants ,then when hes played 20 or so games next season and not scored a goal and started to look like he couldnt hit a barn door with a banjo ,I can jump on the "what we paying this bag o shite useless lump £20k a week for ?" bandwaggon

Alternatively if hes banged in 20 goals by Christmas I can jump on the " I feckin told you he was a feckin super star " one.

Either way I come out looking like a football expert who hasnt wasted the last 45 years of his life on a lost cause .:p
 
Jim Chimmerney said:
Based on his age and experience, what we've offered seems perfectly reasonable and to offer him £5K a week in our position is something we quite clearly can't (or shouldn't) do.

There's no problem in having clauses whereby the positoon is reviewed in January, bonuses for promotion etc etc etc
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He will turn 1k a week down flat and i wouldn't blame him either.
 
Jim Chimmerney said:
Based on his age and experience, what we've offered seems perfectly reasonable and to offer him £5K a week in our position is something we quite clearly can't (or shouldn't) do.

There's no problem in having clauses whereby the positoon is reviewed in January, bonuses for promotion etc etc etc
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You're probably right about our position but if we play cautious with this kind of thing the player will inevitably go every time. I just think to refuse paying the lad a good wage is silly when we will probably give that to an older player with less ability and no resale value.

I agree incentives and clauses would probably be a sensible way to go about it, but would that be enough to stop the lads head being turned? Probably not. It seems to me like a situation that if we dont make it worth his while, why stay? The way I see it any player is a gamble, so why not gamble on Jordan Slew?
 
Patrick Suffaux said:
You're probably right about our position but if we play cautious with this kind of thing the player will inevitably go every time. I just think to refuse paying the lad a good wage is silly when we will probably give that to an older player with less ability and no resale value.

I agree incentives and clauses would probably be a sensible way to go about it, but would that be enough to stop the lads head being turned? Probably not. It seems to me like a situation that if we dont make it worth his while, why stay? The way I see it any player is a gamble, so why not gamble on Jordan Slew?
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If he's going to go, he's going to go and when a Prem club comes knocking offering (alledgedly) £7K a week, most young lads in his position will be off like a shot. £1K a week with a £500 goal bonus is, however, more than decent for an unproven youth player at 3rd divison level.

I agree that selling him and then paying more to a 30 plus journeyman is logically ludicrous but unfortunately it's not as simple as that. Do you think Arsenal fans want to sell Fabregas and replace him with Scott Parker for example, course not but that's the way it is when a player wants to go.
 
Patrick Suffaux said:
You're probably right about our position but if we play cautious with this kind of thing the player will inevitably go every time. I just think to refuse paying the lad a good wage is silly when we will probably give that to an older player with less ability and no resale value.

I agree incentives and clauses would probably be a sensible way to go about it, but would that be enough to stop the lads head being turned? Probably not. It seems to me like a situation that if we dont make it worth his while, why stay? The way I see it any player is a gamble, so why not gamble on Jordan Slew?
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The reasoning is that it isn't just Jordan Slew, there will be a raft of players who come into the same bracket. If we match what a PL club would pay him, we'll have more than half of the 1st team squad demanding an increase. If Fulham were offering him £6-10k a week that would be more than Maguire, MacAllister, Lowton, Lokberg, Tonne, Philliskirk etc, were getting. Knock-on effect of placating a disgruntled player is one happy and several more very unhappy.
 
Jim Chimmerney said:
If he's going to go, he's going to go and when a Prem club comes knocking offering (alledgedly) £7K a week, most young lads in his position will be off like a shot. £1K a week with a £500 goal bonus is, however, more than decent for an unproven youth player at 3rd divison level.

I agree that selling him and then paying more to a 30 plus journeyman is logically ludicrous but unfortunately it's not as simple as that. Do you think Arsenal fans want to sell Fabregas and replace him with Scott Parker for example, course not but that's the way it is when a player wants to go.
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The thing is I am resigned to the idea that he will probably leave anyway. As you say, if a prem club comes knocking with big money its pretty much a no brainer for young players, or ANYONE for that matter.

What the club has to do is decide how highly they rate him and whether they genuinely believe they can nurture his talent succesfully. If they think he is and they can, then what would it hurt offering him something worthwhile?

To me its down to the club to show him how much faith they have in his ability. If they're unsure then they will offer him 1k and he'll go to Fulham. If they think the sun shines out of his arse, they'll offer him a lot more and he might still go to Fulham!

It is more about United showing they have faith in their youth system and are willing to back their own talent, than it is about keeping Jordan Slew.
 
Dont like the idea off a large goal bonus as it will just make him go for goal all the time. Would much prefer for him to get a win bonus that way he works for the team ie setting someone else up who is more likely to score than him.
 
The thing is he's not really in a bargaining position. The only thing he can say is "If you don't, i'm off!"

If your place of work were running at a loss (i.e. Sheff Utd are) then you lost a massive bread and butter contract (i.e. Championship football) and you went in saying "I want more money or i'm leaving." Your boss would tell you to leave. We can't just through money about willy nilly on the gamble that the 'Massive contract' will be back next year to steady the ship because if the contract isn't back next year (championship football) then everybody's out on their arse because the company's folded.

IF however, IF....

Evans, Quinn, Montgomery & Henderson all left (all big earners) and then Mr Slew goes in asking for a payrise he's got a much better chance of getting it.

Until 2 or 3 of the others are off the wage bill, he's going to Fulham.

Football, simplified into business terms !
 



A very lucid and well structured argument. Just one thing.....since when has any football club been run like a proper business?

Players with any sort of half decent reputation or regard always hold a bargaining position.
 
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