Their “goal”

[Mojo]

The biggest issue with VAR is the attempt to freeze time to gauge offsides. When does a player make a pass: is it the moment the foot touches the ball or the moment the ball leaves the foot? They're effectively trying to freeze a continuous motion to make a binary decision and that's almost impossible.

The other thing they need to sort out is the slow motion replays. Yes, there might have been 'contact' but the question should be whether it's sufficient to result in a foul. The Dani Ceballos penalty decision on Friday showed everything that's wrong with the current application: minimal contact given as a penalty and not overturned by VAR but play brought back for a fractional offside three passes before.

Totally agree with you on the offside thing it is a complete load of bollocks. They are trying to do offside calls to millimetres when there is loads of margin for error in the tools they are using. How do they know which freeze frame to select, what frame rate is the camera, motion blur in the image etc etc. It is absolute lunacy how they are implementing offsides.

The thing is though there are simple solutions to sort VAR out but they are too pig headed to sort it. Offsides for example, make the lines twice as thick then if they are touching then it is onside. Give some margin for error and more favour to the attacking team. As I say it's not the tech it's the clowns using it.

 

[PokerBlade]

I can predict there will be so many times next season where will be up in arms in horror that we don't have VAR. There will be so many quotes from our supporters such as; 'if we had VAR, our goal would have stood' or, 'if we had VAR, their goal would have been ruled out', or even and hopefully, 'when we gat back into the Premier, we will have at least VAR to get these decisions right'.
Ironic eh?

I'll go on record now and say none of those comments will come from me. I'll continue to rant about the generally low quality of referees and how we might improve them, and I'll continue to point out that football is obsessed with the edge cases and marginal decisions yet never even tries to deal with the incredibly common timewasting tactics that happen a hundred times a game and infuriate most spectators.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Taking my source from ESPN and putting my cowboy hat on for stats. https://www.espn.co.uk/football/eng...affected-every-premier-league-club-in-2020-21 VAR this season hasn't been that bad for us.
In theory the game against Chelsea we should have won 2-1 (2 VAR decisions against) . You could argue that no red card for Lundstram and we may have held on for 3 points rather than one. So we could in theory have 6 extra points there

However without VAR it "gave" us the wins vs Newcastle and Brighton instead of draws. Gave us a point vs Fulham. So that is 5 points it's given us.

With the Villa, West Ham (was a penalty being overturned for them) and Liverpool (1 for and 1 against) not mattering when it comes to the score. We beat Villa with 10 men VAR decision so that didn't matter.

So to conclude the VAR is against us in theory we could at best argue we "owed 1 point" this season.

The problem this season v last season is that we've not bothered doing much in the attacking part of the pitch so VAR hasn't impacted us as much as it did the previous season when we actually attacked.

 

[Stu_Blade]

The problem this season v last season is that we've not bothered doing much in the attacking part of the pitch so VAR hasn't impacted us as much as it did the previous season when we actually attacked.

Very true!

 

[Stu_Blade]

I recon fans should be allowed to be given a go at an academy standard and see how well they perform. Alot of it is down to positioning and then communication too. I refeereed at Leeds and Sheff United academies as well as local open age in West Yorkshire.

For me it ended with injury, but at that level you were lucky to come out with £20 a game and expected to fork out for kit and the actual course too. Although they shouldn't be in it for the money the average Premiership referee is paid a base salary of approx £37,000 and then paid per game category which could take earnings up to £70,000 a year. When you have 22 year olds like Rashford on over 2.5 times the annual salary of a top end referee a week you see why ex pros won't take it on and the standard might be at a difference. The highest I got to in academy terms was U16s and the pressure was on with that. I couldn't imagine what the pressure must be like at the top end with the fitness tests too etc and the likelyhood of no career once you retire.

 

[Gavlar]

Just a thought Regarding 1), as a defender you tend to ignore players in an offside position. So I’m that situation, you might take an extra touch to make a better clearance if you think the bloke behind you can’t play the ball.

Fair point mate.

 

[Houston_Blade]

I recon fans should be allowed to be given a go at an academy standard and see how well they perform. Alot of it is down to positioning and then communication too. I refeereed at Leeds and Sheff United academies as well as local open age in West Yorkshire.

For me it ended with injury, but at that level you were lucky to come out with £20 a game and expected to fork out for kit and the actual course too. Although they shouldn't be in it for the money the average Premiership referee is paid a base salary of approx £37,000 and then paid per game category which could take earnings up to £70,000 a year. When you have 22 year olds like Rashford on over 2.5 times the annual salary of a top end referee a week you see why ex pros won't take it on and the standard might be at a difference. The highest I got to in academy terms was U16s and the pressure was on with that. I couldn't imagine what the pressure must be like at the top end with the fitness tests too etc and the likelyhood of no career once you retire.

I know of one PL assistant referee who had a highly paid executive role in a very large and well known global brand/business alongside his refereeing. He said that a lot of them had another job because they know that at 48 years old you're finished as a match referee.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

I know of one PL assistant referee who had a highly paid executive role in a very large and well known global brand/business alongside his refereeing. He said that a lot of them had another job because they know that at 48 years old you're finished as a match referee.

Craig Pawson works locally for a global brand company - perhaps they all have this type of work and if left to United fans we'd probably most of the bloody PL refs !

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