Could it really be JT and cronyism in football

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You only have to do a little bit of digging to find out that both Jason Tindall and John Terry have links to a local London youth club called Senrab FC having both played for the team, it’s also clear that the man who established the club is no other than Jason Tindall‘s Father in 1961. What Worries me is that, Steven Bettis appointed Jason Tindall (decent coach TBF) after knowing each other in some way. Was the employment of Tindall a way of making us think Eddie Howe was the one we were after meanwhile another friend of a friend (Terry) sneaks in through the backdoor?

Despite that being a rather personal example, of connecting dots, do people think that cronyism exists in football in an seemingly acceptable way? And secondly does this practice achieve success or create limitations when trying to find the next up and coming coaches/fresh ideas? be interesting to hear other people’s views on this.
 



Like lots of professions, football is a small and relatively closed world where lots of people know each other.

Would the club go to the trouble of giving Tindall a temporary role, in order to dupe supporters into thinking we were going for one manager, while covering for the fact that they were lining up another? Sounds like a lot of convoluted extra work, for no return, to me.

Why on earth would they bother?
 
No chance the board are doing any cloak and dagger to get Terry in; why would they need/want to? If they want to appoint him, they will. No need for a Line of Duty style cover up.

Cronyism exists absolutely everywhere to a degree, especially in the entertainment business. How many actors are offspring of other actors? How come practically every “comedian” has been doing travel shows with one of their parents recently? How is Bradley Walsh’s son now famous for simply being put on prime time telly being... er, Bradley Walsh’s son? Jack Whitehall has been all over everything like herpes for years despite having absolutely no redeeming qualities; shock horror- his dad is a showbiz agent with contacts to everybody.

It does exist in football, but no worse than any other area of entertainment. I suggest its at its worst in the agent area; there are so many ex pros doing that now, and I doubt any of them hold a degree in contract law.
 
You only have to do a little bit of digging to find out that both Jason Tindall and John Terry have links to a local London youth club called Senrab FC having both played for the team, it’s also clear that the man who established the club is no other than Jason Tindall‘s Father in 1961. What Worries me is that, Steven Bettis appointed Jason Tindall (decent coach TBF) after knowing each other in some way. Was the employment of Tindall a way of making us think Eddie Howe was the one we were after meanwhile another friend of a friend (Terry) sneaks in through the backdoor?

Despite that being a rather personal example, of connecting dots, do people think that cronyism exists in football in an seemingly acceptable way? And secondly does this practice achieve success or create limitations when trying to find the next up and coming coaches/fresh ideas? be interesting to hear other people’s views on this.
Not sure I like the idea of Terry sneaking in my back door...🥴
 
If it is JT then it is JT. He has been earning his stripes at Villa. Fantastic footballer, who knows? We know very little about the other favourite, Mr Blessin. As to cronyism? It is rife and starts at the top - look at the current government (not getting in political debate btw, just pointing it out).
 
As I said on the other thread, we get JT we get 5 quality Villa/Chelsea loanees, which gives us the best chance of getting out of the championship.

How football, and life, works.
That would be the only good thing in my eyes if either JT or FL rocked up at BDTBL especially JT, they'd be able to bring in excellent loan players.
 
Senrab are very well know down here, lots of professionals played for them as kids but I didn’t realise it was set up by Tindall’s dad. I guess it’s possible they’ve brought Tindall in to be Terry’s assistant next season but I don’t really see the need or benefit for subterfuge. If he’s who the board think can do the job, just appoint him, don’t pander to the supporters on these kind of matters, we know fuck all and we’ve all got different opinions.
 
You only have to do a little bit of digging to find out that both Jason Tindall and John Terry have links to a local London youth club called Senrab FC having both played for the team, it’s also clear that the man who established the club is no other than Jason Tindall‘s Father in 1961. What Worries me is that, Steven Bettis appointed Jason Tindall (decent coach TBF) after knowing each other in some way. Was the employment of Tindall a way of making us think Eddie Howe was the one we were after meanwhile another friend of a friend (Terry) sneaks in through the backdoor?

Despite that being a rather personal example, of connecting dots, do people think that cronyism exists in football in an seemingly acceptable way? And secondly does this practice achieve success or create limitations when trying to find the next up and coming coaches/fresh ideas? be interesting to hear other people’s views on this.
It's everywhere and shaping up to be the next political scandal if the recent headlines are anything to go by
 
You only have to do a little bit of digging to find out that both Jason Tindall and John Terry have links to a local London youth club called Senrab FC having both played for the team, it’s also clear that the man who established the club is no other than Jason Tindall‘s Father in 1961. What Worries me is that, Steven Bettis appointed Jason Tindall (decent coach TBF) after knowing each other in some way. Was the employment of Tindall a way of making us think Eddie Howe was the one we were after meanwhile another friend of a friend (Terry) sneaks in through the backdoor?

Despite that being a rather personal example, of connecting dots, do people think that cronyism exists in football in an seemingly acceptable way? And secondly does this practice achieve success or create limitations when trying to find the next up and coming coaches/fresh ideas? be interesting to hear other people’s views on this.
My view is that not everything is a fucking conspiracy, and the sooner people start to accept that they're not magical savants who can see beyond the veil to how things 'really work' the sooner we can start listening to experts again and actually make the world a better place.

raul you get an extra like for your signature. A owl?
 
You only have to do a little bit of digging to find out that both Jason Tindall and John Terry have links to a local London youth club called Senrab FC having both played for the team, it’s also clear that the man who established the club is no other than Jason Tindall‘s Father in 1961. What Worries me is that, Steven Bettis appointed Jason Tindall (decent coach TBF) after knowing each other in some way. Was the employment of Tindall a way of making us think Eddie Howe was the one we were after meanwhile another friend of a friend (Terry) sneaks in through the backdoor?

Despite that being a rather personal example, of connecting dots, do people think that cronyism exists in football in an seemingly acceptable way? And secondly does this practice achieve success or create limitations when trying to find the next up and coming coaches/fresh ideas? be interesting to hear other people’s views on this.
Chris Wilder was mates with Paul Heckingbottom. How do you think PH got the job with us ? Why do you think assistants and coaching often move jobs with the manager. Happens at almost every club
 
It's the way of the world pal. Cronyism, nepotism, it's everywhere, always has been, always will be. I don't think it is any worse in football than any other profession but it is a factor.

I was about to say the same.
The way of the world is not based on what you know.....it’s all about who you know.

Where ever I've worked....new employers have often been related to or recommended by current employers.

This is the basis of the unfortunate term “white privilege”
The racist angle is a bit of a red herring. People with financial assets, big business and positions of power/ influence....often look after their family and friends.
Its more a class issue than racist....but most of the wealth and power in this country naturally belongs to white people and the cycle just continues.
 



Sensible was basically a collection of the best junior talent in London (pre Academies) rather than a local junior club.
 
Chris Wilder was mates with Paul Heckingbottom. How do you think PH got the job with us ? Why do you think assistants and coaching often move jobs with the manager. Happens at almost every club
If you then add on ' friend of a friend' , you've got nearly everybody as a possibility!
 
You only have to do a little bit of digging to find out that both Jason Tindall and John Terry have links to a local London youth club called Senrab FC having both played for the team, it’s also clear that the man who established the club is no other than Jason Tindall‘s Father in 1961. What Worries me is that, Steven Bettis appointed Jason Tindall (decent coach TBF) after knowing each other in some way. Was the employment of Tindall a way of making us think Eddie Howe was the one we were after meanwhile another friend of a friend (Terry) sneaks in through the backdoor?

Despite that being a rather personal example, of connecting dots, do people think that cronyism exists in football in an seemingly acceptable way? And secondly does this practice achieve success or create limitations when trying to find the next up and coming coaches/fresh ideas? be interesting to hear other people’s views on this.

I see your logic, decent digging also, but a better link could have been Lee Bowyer as manager based on info from Wikipedia beneath:

Tindall showed early promise, playing for noted east London youth side Senrab F.C., a club founded in 1961 by his father, Jimmy.[1] Jason Tindall played in midfield with Lee Bowyer, and later joined Arsenal's youth set-up but suffered from knee issues.[1]

It's possile that Tindall does know John Terry, and also Bettis knows John Terry, I refuse to call him JT, and maybe this is where the Terry link has come from. It may well transpire that John Terry is on the shortlist, but I would imagne they'll be other candidates we don't know of also. Terry and Tindall are three years apart in age and may well not even know each other closely. I think Tindall was appointed because the Club knew that the backroom staff of Wilder are going to be on their way also, which has now happened, and that Knilly is obviously a link to Wilder also and maybe they wanted another voice rather than continuing with stong connections to the Wilder regime.

Cronyism definitely exists in football as it does in all walks of life but I would guess from the head hunting of Alexander Blessin that United have done their homework and identified people who have suceeded as a manager, even if that's on a short term, have worked on a budget and are open to working with transfer markets outside of a domestic one.

John Terry has no managerial experience, has no experience of working with any recruitment and obviously no experince at working with a budget. If we do go for Terry than the board are taking a huge gamble and I just can't see there been much in it. I maybe wrong, but I think Blessin is the man they're after, if that fails then I would then expect to see other names from abroad ome to the fore, or managers who've worked abroad before, or are foreign and currently working here. That's just my personal view though, maybe we'll appoint Mark Hughes!

The link to Terry mentioned we wanted a big name, as I've said on another post Blessin isn't a big name so I'm doubtful of the links to Terry have much to them and none of the local press have mentioned John Terry; Yorkshire Live even said that there was no substance to the rumours. It came from the Mirror and I suspect that it was said because it would be a headline, sells newspapers/people will read an article that has John Terry's name to it. If it had come from a local source I'd be worried.
 
Newcastle bought a new coach in and they've suddenly pulled their socks up and are safe now.
It made sense to bring Tindall in. We needed help for Heck with Wilder and team going so suddenly.. Makes sense if you know someone to call and ask than go through a recruitment campaign when there's simply no time. I don't understand why some people have a problem with it. Should probably be thanking him for taking the job temporarily at the drop of a hat. Presume hr's away from family in a hotel.
 

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