Kilgallon's Loyalty

[boo radley]

Ollessendro,Ollessendro Ollessendro,
I am so sorry I upset you so much.Please accept my apologies. You dont have to write a book everytime to get your point across. but like you said to someone in Your Monty thread you have to read the opening post of the thread to understand it.
Now it seems you assume (or i have assumed of you) that i am a Monty lover and Killa hater - nothing is further from the truth. I love all Blades players that put the commitment in. so please review my posts and you'll see i like all our players. I do question them from time to time.
If i stroke your furry back will that ease your frustation?

 

[Foxy]

When he leaves on the free at the summer, and it looks highly likely. He can get more money wages wise from another club, as they will pay no fee for him. I will be super stunned if his agent does a turn around and talks him into staying, he's usually a hard ball in every aspect.

Does he share an agent with Leroy Lita by any chance?

 

[Autumn]

Does he share an agent with Leroy Lita by any chance?

No just mostly united and ex united players. Check out Paul Masterton here

Not that I ever work for these people....:fishbowl:

http://www.hirstandcompany.co.uk/Sports+Professionals

 

[Ollessendro]

Ollessendro,Ollessendro Ollessendro,
I am so sorry I upset you so much.Please accept my apologies. You dont have to write a book everytime to get your point across. but like you said to someone in Your Monty thread you have to read the opening post of the thread to understand it.
Now it seems you assume (or i have assumed of you) that i am a Monty lover and Killa hater - nothing is further from the truth. I love all Blades players that put the commitment in. so please review my posts and you'll see i like all our players. I do question them from time to time.
If i stroke your furry back will that ease your frustation?

Ha ha, you naughty patronising person you!?

You didn't upset Boo Radley. It was more of a mild irritation.

I read your initial post and understood it very well. You were implying that Kilgallon has not been playing to the level he can because his mind has not been on football, that he hasn't been putting in the effort he should because of his lack of commitment to the club (i.e hasn't signed a new contract) and that he has been neshing out of tackles because he doesn't want to get injured and has been looking for a move.

You then make a comparison with Monty. I merley point out that both players haven't played up to their usual standards this season and that both are out of contract in the summer. I don't catagorise you as a Monty lover, in the same way that I am not a Monty knocker. I think it's fair enough for me to draw comparisons with the 2: Neither has signed a new contract and both have not played well in spells.

 

[boo radley]

Ha ha, you naughty patronising person you!?

You didn't upset Boo Radley. It was more of a mild irritation.

I read your initial post and understood it very well. You were implying that Kilgallon has not been playing to the level he can because his mind has not been on football, that he hasn't been putting in the effort he should because of his lack of commitment to the club (i.e hasn't signed a new contract) and that he has been neshing out of tackles because he doesn't want to get injured and has been looking for a move.

You then make a comparison with Monty. I merley point out that both players haven't played up to their usual standards this season and that both are out of contract in the summer. I don't catagorise you as a Monty lover, in the same way that I am not a Monty knocker. I think it's fair enough for me to draw comparisons with the 2: Neither has signed a new contract and both have not played well in spells.

You see but therein lay the differences.
Monty - Will give of himself completely without thought for himself but with complete commitment to the cause. Most of us know he has faults and failings which we may all groan at through frustration of the situation without getting on his back. His desire to win is brilliant and if he misjudges and gives away a penalty then most will accept that from time to time. I disagree that he hasn't played well but will also accept your opinion that you believe he hasn't.
Killa - Well when he stands off too much and lets the play develop then that is the lack of commitment to the cause.
If you read my postings on this then you see you comparison about contracts does not wash.
Even if we accept that both Monty and Killa haven’t played well, Then Killa hasn’t played well and let himself down through not playing to the best of his ability and the theme through both threads, through most posters has recognised this.

 

[Ollessendro]

You see but therein lay the differences.
Monty - Will give of himself completely without thought for himself but with complete commitment to the cause. Most of us know he has faults and failings which we may all groan at through frustration of the situation without getting on his back. His desire to win is brilliant and if he misjudges and gives away a penalty then most will accept that from time to time. I disagree that he hasn't played well but will also accept your opinion that you believe he hasn't.
Killa - Well when he stands off too much and lets the play develop then that is the lack of commitment to the cause.
If you read my postings on this then you see you comparison about contracts does not wash.
Even if we accept that both Monty and Killa haven’t played well, Then Killa hasn’t played well and let himself down through not playing to the best of his ability and the theme through both threads, through most posters has recognised this.

Ah there you are Boo!?

Ok, Monty has given away 2 awful penalties this season. He put in rash, needless tackles when the players was going nowhere to give away stupid penalties. How do you know that this wasn't because he was over keen becasue his contract is up and he wants to 'put himslef in the shop window'? What about his howler of a mistake against Coventry. Remember where he went to kick the ball and missed it and Coventry went onto score. I think his lack of contract was playing on his mind and hence he missed that. Can someone who is fully committed to the club makes these mistakes because he is selfishly thinking of his own contract, who is watching him and where he will be playing next season??

The fact is that I can't prove Monty has not been playing well this season because his contract is up and he's 'distracted', just like you can't prove Kilgallon's been doing the same. In your opinion Kilgallon is playing under par. You can then speculate as to why. You did speculate as to why. You speculate that he has beacked out of tackles, looked after himself la de da, but you have no evidence to back it up.

Killa stand off and wathces play develop. What? When? and even if he does, who is to say that he is not reading the game and making his profesional judgement to back off, or mark someone else of whatever?

Until you come and show me some solid evidence that Kilgallon has been neshing tackles, bottling challenges, not getting stuck in because his contract is up, or he wants to leave then we'll just have to agree to disagree. I could of course come up with evidence that Monty has been over keen, letting his contract talks cloud his mind, playing under par because of his current contract situation also. There is as much chance of me doing that as there is you doing the other ..... i.e. zilch!?

 

[shorehamview]

Kilgallon has at times looked like he couldn't part his own hair, and at other times he's looked like he wanted to tackle the opponent and not stop until he'd scored at the other end. I think because we've seen a series of very good performances in the past from him we've been too keen to link a bad one with his contract running out and possible move elsewhere. I don't think the two are linked, any more than great performances are only put in by players with four or more years left on their contract.

 

[Gloucblade]

Still think he will be gone by the time the window closes.

 

[boo radley]

Ah there you are Boo!?

Ok, Monty has given away 2 awful penalties this season. He put in rash, needless tackles when the players was going nowhere to give away stupid penalties. How do you know that this wasn't because he was over keen becasue his contract is up and he wants to 'put himslef in the shop window'? What about his howler of a mistake against Coventry. Remember where he went to kick the ball and missed it and Coventry went onto score. I think his lack of contract was playing on his mind and hence he missed that. Can someone who is fully committed to the club makes these mistakes because he is selfishly thinking of his own contract, who is watching him and where he will be playing next season??

The fact is that I can't prove Monty has not been playing well this season because his contract is up and he's 'distracted', just like you can't prove Kilgallon's been doing the same. In your opinion Kilgallon is playing under par. You can then speculate as to why. You did speculate as to why. You speculate that he has beacked out of tackles, looked after himself la de da, but you have no evidence to back it up.

Killa stand off and wathces play develop. What? When? and even if he does, who is to say that he is not reading the game and making his profesional judgement to back off, or mark someone else of whatever?

Until you come and show me some solid evidence that Kilgallon has been neshing tackles, bottling challenges, not getting stuck in because his contract is up, or he wants to leave then we'll just have to agree to disagree. I could of course come up with evidence that Monty has been over keen, letting his contract talks cloud his mind, playing under par because of his current contract situation also. There is as much chance of me doing that as there is you doing the other ..... i.e. zilch!?

Evidence on a situation within a game described on this forum is generally hearsay. What makes it more likely to be true, is when it is backed up by the opinions of that situation agreeing.
Been pointed out already last game QPR killa at fault for goal through lack -blah blah blah read other posts - It’s not just me it’s also other posters most agree about killa and disagree with your thread on Monty. You started the Monty debate playing Devil’s advocate, to the extreme in support of your view. You may be sceptical about killa playing not up to his best. Most posters realise his talent and plenty support the view that killa playing not up to his best is because of his uncertain future. Now we have already established that I disagree with your opinion of Monty not playing well. Leaving that aside most posters who believe Monty is not playing well believe that it is due to lack of talent, nothing to do with his contract.
To play Devil’s advocate is fine, it stirs debate which you have done admirably to take it to extreme to score a point against another thread starter makes me believe you are in an entrenched position and will not accept anyone else’s point of view. We could do this with all situations on all these threads.
I PREFERE TO TAKE THE OPINION OF THE MASSES ON POSTS OF NEW DEBATE.
Now pack in picking your nose and flicking bogies at me. I promise I’ll still scratch your back and bring you that blow up gorilla doll.

 

[Ollessendro]

Evidence on a situation within a game described on this forum is generally hearsay. What makes it more likely to be true, is when it is backed up by the opinions of that situation agreeing.
Been pointed out already last game QPR killa at fault for goal through lack -blah blah blah read other posts - It’s not just me it’s also other posters most agree about killa and disagree with your thread on Monty. You started the Monty debate playing Devil’s advocate, to the extreme in support of your view. You may be sceptical about killa playing not up to his best. Most posters realise his talent and plenty support the view that killa playing not up to his best is because of his uncertain future. Now we have already established that I disagree with your opinion of Monty not playing well. Leaving that aside most posters who believe Monty is not playing well believe that it is due to lack of talent, nothing to do with his contract.
To play Devil’s advocate is fine, it stirs debate which you have done admirably to take it to extreme to score a point against another thread starter makes me believe you are in an entrenched position and will not accept anyone else’s point of view. We could do this with all situations on all these threads.
I PREFERE TO TAKE THE OPINION OF THE MASSES ON POSTS OF NEW DEBATE.
Now pack in picking your nose and flicking bogies at me. I promise I’ll still scratch your back and bring you that blow up gorilla doll.

You see there you go Boo. You get on your high horse, drop some inflamatory comments and imply that the majority of posters agree with you and disagree with me, then you tell me to leave it alone!?

You wrongly jump to the conclusion that I am unwilling to accept anyone elses point of view. On that note you comment in capitals makes me think that you arrogant.

The funny thing is that opinion is pretty divided over this issue. You keep telling me to 'read the posts and other bullshit' but maybe you should practice what you preach. I'll give you the fact that the majoirty of people do not doubt Monty's commitment to the club, however by no means the majority feel that Kilgallon has been playing below par because he is out of contract at the end of the season or neshing tackles because he doesn't want to get injured and ruin his dream move to the premiership.

Of course I was being pedantic starting that thread. To an extent I was playing devils advocate but I (any many others) don't necessarily belive that Kilgallon playing badly min October/November was because of his situation. I have seen no evidence (by this I mean the way he played on the pitch) that he has been playing differently than what he would have done if he was on a long contract and wasn't getting interest from bigger clubs. Of course I used poor old Monty as the fall guy which was a little unfair on him. However it did make me chuckle some of the stick I suggest for this 'ludicrous' suggestion but people who missed the point of the thread. Anyway my point is made and we've had a good debate. Hence I'll leave it at that, as there is no point in us continuing to argue between ourselves.

 

[Ballinpigpubs13]

Don't know what all the fuss is about, killa is definately average.

 

[Autumn]

Don't know what all the fuss is about, killa is definately average.

I say as long as it's not me paying for the little shit, I leave the "how good he is debate" to those that matter, and them that do, think the same as you

 

[boo radley]

You see there you go Boo. You get on your high horse, drop some inflamatory comments and imply that the majority of posters agree with you and disagree with me, then you tell me to leave it alone!?

You wrongly jump to the conclusion that I am unwilling to accept anyone elses point of view. On that note you comment in capitals makes me think that you arrogant.

The funny thing is that opinion is pretty divided over this issue. You keep telling me to 'read the posts and other bullshit' but maybe you should practice what you preach. I'll give you the fact that the majoirty of people do not doubt Monty's commitment to the club, however by no means the majority feel that Kilgallon has been playing below par because he is out of contract at the end of the season or neshing tackles because he doesn't want to get injured and ruin his dream move to the premiership.

Of course I was being pedantic starting that thread. To an extent I was playing devils advocate but I (any many others) don't necessarily belive that Kilgallon playing badly min October/November was because of his situation. I have seen no evidence (by this I mean the way he played on the pitch) that he has been playing differently than what he would have done if he was on a long contract and wasn't getting interest from bigger clubs. Of course I used poor old Monty as the fall guy which was a little unfair on him. However it did make me chuckle some of the stick I suggest for this 'ludicrous' suggestion but people who missed the point of the thread. Anyway my point is made and we've had a good debate. Hence I'll leave it at that, as there is no point in us continuing to argue between ourselves.

You see, you are the one who is arrogant, you are the one who is quoting 'My view and your view' I suggested we go with the majority of posters.
My Killa thread stirred debate and those that said he had been lacking commitment formulated this idea from where? Have I got that much influence on free thinking people? - Now that would be arrogant of me.

So, you qoute evidence, can we agree that evidence is hard to produce to back up anyones argument, therefore we have to rely on most posters majority view of an incident or situation. That then becomes the more likely truth because of the majority posters view.

Lastly, for the uneducated of us who missed your point, put in simple language for me at least.
Yours, the thicko, boo.

 

[Ollessendro]

You see, you are the one who is arrogant, you are the one who is quoting 'My view and your view' I suggested we go with the majority of posters.
My Killa thread stirred debate and those that said he had been lacking commitment formulated this idea from where? Have I got that much influence on free thinking people? - Now that would be arrogant of me.

So, you qoute evidence, can we agree that evidence is hard to produce to back up anyones argument, therefore we have to rely on most posters majority view of an incident or situation. That then becomes the more likely truth because of the majority posters view.

Lastly, for the uneducated of us who missed your point, put in simple language for me at least.
Yours, the thicko, boo.

Ok Boo, I'll put my point in simple English, but on if you sratch my back as you said

The point is that I think it is unfair to attribute a dip in form to the fact that a player is being watched and/or that his contract is up in the summer. This is the reason why I brought in the Monty argument. If you argue that Kilgallon is not playing to his usual standards because of his lack of commitment to the club (i.e. becuase he hasn't signed a contract) then I can argue that someone in a similar position (Monty) is not palying well for the same reasons. You talk about kilgallon pulling out of challenges and things because he doesn't want to get injured. I haven't seen anything to support this. I think of late (i.e. the last month) Kilgallon has being playing as well as he has for United. On the other hand I think Monty has been poor this season. I'm not a Monty knocker. I have defended his selection in the team many times and think he adds value to the team/squad (but this is a different matter). I believe by the same logic as you appied to the Kilgallon situation, that Monty could be playing worse because his contract is up, that's playing on his mind and there could be people watching him etc etc. This could of course be absolute bollocks. But so could your theory about Killa. Simple.

 

[boo radley]

Ok Boo, I'll put my point in simple English, but on if you sratch my back as you said

The point is that I think it is unfair to attribute a dip in form to the fact that a player is being watched and/or that his contract is up in the summer. This is the reason why I brought in the Monty argument. If you argue that Kilgallon is not playing to his usual standards because of his lack of commitment to the club (i.e. becuase he hasn't signed a contract) then I can argue that someone in a similar position (Monty) is not palying well for the same reasons. You talk about kilgallon pulling out of challenges and things because he doesn't want to get injured. I haven't seen anything to support this. I think of late (i.e. the last month) Kilgallon has being playing as well as he has for United. On the other hand I think Monty has been poor this season. I'm not a Monty knocker. I have defended his selection in the team many times and think he adds value to the team/squad (but this is a different matter). I believe by the same logic as you appied to the Kilgallon situation, that Monty could be playing worse because his contract is up, that's playing on his mind and there could be people watching him etc etc. This could of course be absolute bollocks. But so could your theory about Killa. Simple.

The posters while they may have reflected through my prompt, decided for themselves If the point was valid.
Now reflecting on what the posters have said I will draw my own conclusion.
You disagree - Fine this is not a battle between you and me, but you seem determined to make it one.
You disagreed so much you formulated your own thread. It seems to gain support against my thread. I now feel through reading both that your thread re-enforced my thoughts, (only my own conclusion though not anyone else's)
Whilst YOU can come to the conclusion that Monty was distracted through contract thoughts, it seems quite obvious that his loyalty was never in question. If people liked or hated Monty believed he was playing good or bad they all thought his loyalty was not in question and he always gave 100%. The same could not be said of Killa.
Now as said in an earlier post ' Evidence on a situation within a game described on this forum is generally hearsay. What makes it more likely to be true, is when it is backed up by the opinions of that situation agreeing.'
So again i will take the posters views on board.

 

[Ollessendro]

The posters while they may have reflected through my prompt, decided for themselves If the point was valid.
Now reflecting on what the posters have said I will draw my own conclusion.
You disagree - Fine this is not a battle between you and me, but you seem determined to make it one.
You disagreed so much you formulated your own thread. It seems to gain support against my thread. I now feel through reading both that your thread re-enforced my thoughts, (only my own conclusion though not anyone else's)
Whilst YOU can come to the conclusion that Monty was distracted through contract thoughts, it seems quite obvious that his loyalty was never in question. If people liked or hated Monty believed he was playing good or bad they all thought his loyalty was not in question and he always gave 100%. The same could not be said of Killa.
Now as said in an earlier post ' Evidence on a situation within a game described on this forum is generally hearsay. What makes it more likely to be true, is when it is backed up by the opinions of that situation agreeing.'
So again i will take the posters views on board.

No it is not a battle between the 2 of us .... it's a debate. We've had a healthy debate about an issue related to Sheffield United. I was stading up for Kilgallon because I thought you views were unjust. Some United fans of course agree with you that kilgallon has been under par and that it is down to his current situation. However some don't. There is by no means a consensus of Blades fans that think Kilgallon has not been putting the effort in because he is intent on leaving. Like I said there are fans that believe that and fans that don't. I played devils advocate (somewhat) to stimulate debate and also because I didn't (and still don't) agree with you view. I think this thread/topic has been exhausted and am going to leave it at this.

 

[boo radley]

There is by no means a consensus of Blades fans that think Kilgallon has not been putting the effort in because he is intent on leaving.

See, never said a thing about him being intent on leaving.

 

[Railway Blade]

Blackwell just been on Talksport saying a substantial bid has come in for Killa in last two days and he is talking to a club at this minute.

 

[SESKU Blade]

Blackwell just been on Talksport saying a substantial bid has come in for Killa in last two days and he is talking to a club at this minute.

What happened to the whole "If killa's situation isn't resolved by the end of the first week in Jan then he's going nowhere"

I understand that if a decent bid comes in it's likely to accepted given his contract is up but why do the club release statements like this when it's obviously not the case?

I expect we'll be getting desperate by end of the transfer window and he'll be on way for somewhere in the region of 1 mill

 

[boo radley]

Where's the Killa gone, Where's the Killa gone, Far far away.
Last night i saw my agent and he said to move on, ooowee away from Mr cheap cheap

By by hope you can focus now.
just imagine if we pass you on your way down

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

What happened to the whole "If killa's situation isn't resolved by the end of the first week in Jan then he's going nowhere"

I understand that if a decent bid comes in it's likely to accepted given his contract is up but why do the club release statements like this when it's obviously not the case?

Do you think those statements are for the fans of their club or for the benefit of interested parties?

 

[Ollessendro]

Just 'Ollecissing' one of Boo's threads .... for context

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Just 'Ollecissing' one of Boo's threads .... for context

Tha wat?! Tha shud be buildin' fookin shed!

It'll still be er pile er timber come summer if tha dunt erry up. I know a promised t' come n'elp thi but I'm avin problems wi mi own shed! Fookin thing keeps fallin darn. Thats what yer get fer buyin a shitty plastic un

 

[Ollessendro]

Tha wat?! Tha shud be buildin' fookin shed!

It'll still be er pile er timber come summer if tha dunt erry up. I know a promised t' come n'elp thi but I'm avin problems wi mi own shed! Fookin thing keeps fallin darn. Thats what yer get fer buyin a shitty plastic un

Ey, it's not fucking easy that noz! There's been 3 other fookers here this year n they ant done much better. Am tryin to build this shed, but av been unlucky. Shite tools, poor foundations, broken promises by the landlord, bad weather, our lass gerrin on my tits and that two hat estate agent constantly fookin fings up. Av asked local pub shed builder to come and help me. He's fookin busy every weekend though ...... it's tryin t build some fucking shed up North or sumert.

 

[mickerz-blade]

It'll not be finished even when Kilgallon comes back to play at the Lane.
Turfing, now thats a subject.

 

[Ollessendro]

It'll not be finished even when Kilgallon comes back to play at the Lane.
Turfing, now thats a subject.

Is Killa comin back. Steady on ..... Boo ll av an art attack!?

Oreit Mick me owd spadge. Art abrt tha cums darn ere n giz n hand?

All I've had iz broken promises. SC, Micalijo, Dunc, Beighton, our lass, that fat goal keeper from Luton, the pub team manager, the landlord and that two hat estate agent. They all said they'd help me, but I've had no support. Am in dire straits.

Turfing? One step at a time owd cock.

 

[boo radley]

Is Killa comin back. Steady on ..... Boo ll av an art attack!?

Oreit Mick me owd spadge. Art abrt tha cums darn ere n giz n hand?

All I've had iz broken promises. SC, Micalijo, Dunc, Beighton, our lass, that fat goal keeper from Luton, the pub team manager, the landlord and that two hat estate agent. They all said they'd help me, but I've had no support. Am in dire straits.

Turfing? One step at a time owd cock.

Someone mention me? Come on Ollie get with the program, the great Matt Kilgallon will be playing at the Lane with that very progressive club Doncaster next year when he gets his season long loan. Even if we fall he'll still be playing at the Lane long before your shed is finished.
PS. you've got your keyboard language set to Dingle.

 

[Cool Clint]

Is Killa comin back. Steady on ..... Boo ll av an art attack!?

Oreit Mick me owd spadge. Art abrt tha cums darn ere n giz n hand?

All I've had iz broken promises. SC, Micalijo, Dunc, Beighton, our lass, that fat goal keeper from Luton, the pub team manager, the landlord and that two hat estate agent. They all said they'd help me, but I've had no support. Am in dire straits.

Turfing? One step at a time owd cock.

Olle your asking the wrong people you need a much travelled man like matty boy and he's not far off dingle land at the moment so will understand your Dingle typing.

 

[Ollessendro]

Someone mention me? Come on Ollie get with the program, the great Matt Kilgallon will be playing at the Lane with that very progressive club Doncaster next year when he gets his season long loan. Even if we fall he'll still be playing at the Lane long before your shed is finished.
PS. you've got your keyboard language set to Dingle.

Boo mi owd mucker. It's Yorkshire not Dingle (tea cake not tea-ya cake). Any ruad dunt people livin in Rov-ram av n affiliation wit Dingles? Tha noz, small shit tarn, bit inbred, nowt to do but get pissed n scrap n all that.

Shed's a reit mess though. It's gunna be difficult duin owt wi it this weekend wi weather. All be art deer battlin, but it's guna be tough. All a want is for it to gi some shelter fo summer. A burn easily n wen am avin me BBQ's a want to drink mi Tetley's in t'shade like. She would be perfect for that. By thw way, tha cumin? If tha can't elp me build dis fooker, then least that can do is join me, Mic, Lenners, Dunc, SC, Swiss and Big Mart for some Blades chat, shed tips and Chelsea banter.

Olle your asking the wrong people you need a much travelled man like matty boy and he's not far off dingle land at the moment so will understand your Dingle typing.

Not sure abart that owd cock. Dunt trust any fooker wi peroxide hair. That tellin me that he can build properly? Not sure that numpty will want t ger iz hands dirty.

 

[Bladesway]

Does anyone know where I can get Max Cliffords number? I think I have found someone to challenge him.