Micky Adams - A few thoughts

[bricktop]

Allegedly didn't agree with Bassetts strong arm tactics and was bombed out. Also liked a drink.

I think most of that side liked a drink!

 

[Revolution]

I don't follow. All our opinions are formed based on experiences of similar siutations elsewhere. I'm not sure what else you an form opinion on, if it isn't that?


On the evidence in front of your face in the present situation. That's your primary material.

But yes, you do weight up what's happened in the past. My point is that the Bassett situation was so long ago as to be not of much help in evaluating the situation.

If you think not firing Bassett means we shouldn't fire Adams, there's a counter example. Jimmy Sirrell stepped into a situation at the Lane worse than Adams', things got worse, we did not fire him, and things continued to get worse. If keeping Bassett is an argument for keeping Adams, keeping Sirrell is surely an argument for firing him.

 

[bricktop]

Nope, and as pointed out at the time, they were both highly questionable signings and they're both his responsibility.
But the loanings, definitely Harrods class compared to what Bassett was dealing with.

But with the loan signings, the bigger club carry huge squads nowadays in comparison with the size of the squads in those days, meaning the loan market is a lot more extensive than it was then.

I can't think of many players that Bassett brought in on loan. We need a Darren or a Silent to tell us

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I don't follow. All our opinions are formed based on experiences of similar siutations elsewhere. I'm not sure what else you an form opinion on, if it isn't that?


On the evidence in front of your face in the present situation. That's your primary material.

But yes, you do weight up what's happened in the past. My point is that the Bassett situation was so long ago as to be not of much help in evaluating the situation.

If you think not firing Bassett means we shouldn't fire Adams, there's a counter example. Jimmy Sirrell stepped into a situation at the Lane worse than Adams', things got worse, we did not fire him, and things continued to get worse. If keeping Bassett is an argument for keeping Adams, keeping Sirrell is surely an argument for firing him.

If the message boards were going back in those days, then i bet there would have been page after page of the usual protagonists calling for the removal of Bassett towards the end of 87/88.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

off the top of my head I think Downes was a loan signing, although I may be wrong.

 

[bricktop]

off the top of my head I think Downes was a loan signing, although I may be wrong.

I'm sure he was a permanent signing.

 

[alcoblade]

I don't follow. All our opinions are formed based on experiences of similar siutations elsewhere. I'm not sure what else you an form opinion on, if it isn't that?


On the evidence in front of your face in the present situation. That's your primary material.

But yes, you do weight up what's happened in the past. My point is that the Bassett situation was so long ago as to be not of much help in evaluating the situation.

If you think not firing Bassett means we shouldn't fire Adams, there's a counter example. Jimmy Sirrell stepped into a situation at the Lane worse than Adams', things got worse, we did not fire him, and things continued to get worse. If keeping Bassett is an argument for keeping Adams, keeping Sirrell is surely an argument for firing him.

So experience says that sacking managers in similar circumstances has questionable outcomes. It's inconclusve here. It doesn't mean that it's not relevant.

Either way, it wouldn't be my reason for not sacking Adams. I've set them out above so I wont repeat them.

 

[broomhillblade]

You couldn't use as many subs in those days, so didn't need to carry such a big squad.

 

[sothall blade]

Bassett took us down, but that team was a better one than the one McEwan left us with. As well as the players you mention (Pike was already at the club) he also brought in Agana, Benstead, Webster, and let Todd and Smith play bigger roles before the end of the season. There's half your promotion team.

Anyway, what the hell does something that happened 23 years ago have to do with the fact that Adams has been an almost complete disaster in terms of results?

clearly you dont like adams, revolution. if you were McCabe then,straight after the swansea game after you,ve sacked adams,irrevelent if we stay up or go down,who would your choice of manager be ?

 

[bricktop]

clearly you dont like adams, revolution. if you were McCabe then,straight after the swansea game after you,ve sacked adams,irrevelent if we stay up or go down,who would your choice of manager be ?

The answer will be Sean O'Driscoll

 

[alcoblade]

The answer will be Sean O'Driscoll

If second division Sheffield United couldn't afford or temp him, it's doubtful third division Sheffield United could, no?

UTB

 

[sothall blade]

he aint doin that good at the moment

 

[Hodgyman]

It is widely recognised that Doyle and Collins aren't the best buys ever. If you are buying in the bargain basement not every purchase is going to be a good one. Few will have argued against bringing in a centre half at the time, but remember, Micky only had a short time before the transfer window closed so was rushed into the decision to sign Collins. Having said that, Collins has consistantly had a hand in more goals conceded that others during Micky's tenure. Even Brian Clough bought some "pups" in his time but he had the wisdom to drop or sell them before too much damage was done.

Mat Lowson's performance in Collin's absence against Leeds was immaculate. IMO Micky should continue with the same team next week and leave out Collins, Henderson and Williamson from the squad altogether. The performance against Leeds shows what United can do with 11 players trying their best and staying on the pitch for a full 90 minutes. Let's keep it that way and perhaps teach the culprits of our recent misfortune a lesson.

 

[GlosBlade]

Yes hopefully no avoidable changes to that team (is Vokes still with us then?). Shame we have to wait over 2 weeks for the next game, it would have been good to have gone on a bit of a roll now. On the other hand maybe Palace might start to feel a bit of pressure now that the gap is only 4 points ..... be rooting for the Dingles for once !

 

[Worksop II]

I seem to remember he bought Gary Megson

 

[grafikhaus]

When I hear about the 'poor squad', 'broken promises' etc. that Adams has had to deal with, I think a perfect analogy is my local boozer (which has had more managers over the years than United).

When they inevitably fail, they blame any number of people such as the pubco, lack of customers, rising rents, smoking ban. But never themselves.

All I know is that if I were being offered a senior management position, with serious salary etc., I'd have a top-shit accountant and lawyer sat in the meeting so that there would be no scope for reneging on promises.

In my roundabout way, I'm fed up with hearing the excuses that our latest round of poor managers have come up with, or were they blinded by talks about their own salary so they didn't attempt to lay down some ground rules?

 

[puppet]

It is widely recognised that Doyle and Collins aren't the best buys ever. If you are buying in the bargain basement not every purchase is going to be a good one. Few will have argued against bringing in a centre half at the time, but remember, Micky only had a short time before the transfer window closed so was rushed into the decision to sign Collins. Having said that, Collins has consistantly had a hand in more goals conceded that others during Micky's tenure. Even Brian Clough bought some "pups" in his time but he had the wisdom to drop or sell them before too much damage was done.

Mat Lowson's performance in Collin's absence against Leeds was immaculate. IMO Micky should continue with the same team next week and leave out Collins, Henderson and Williamson from the squad altogether. The performance against Leeds shows what United can do with 11 players trying their best and staying on the pitch for a full 90 minutes. Let's keep it that way and perhaps teach the culprits of our recent misfortune a lesson.

But these are players, along with the loan of Bent, that adams chose to bring in because he knew what they were capable of.... which in my book doesnt make him a very good judge of as player.

 

[Worksop II]

When I hear about the 'poor squad', 'broken promises' etc. that Adams has had to deal with, I think a perfect analogy is my local boozer (which has had more managers over the years than United).

When they inevitably fail, they blame any number of people such as the pubco, lack of customers, rising rents, smoking ban. But never themselves.

All I know is that if I were being offered a senior management position, with serious salary etc., I'd have a top-shit accountant and lawyer sat in the meeting so that there would be no scope for reneging on promises.

In my roundabout way, I'm fed up with hearing the excuses that our latest round of poor managers have come up with, or were they blinded by talks about their own salary so they didn't attempt to lay down some ground rules?

I think the Publican would be in order to run a Top Notch Marketing Campaign to improve Business.

Something along the lines of "True Drinkers Belong in my Pub" that should bring em through the door

 

[Micalijo]

A few considered thoughts from me on Alehouse.

Pathetic, inept, out of his depth, pre-historic.

Stumbled across right balance on Saturday after months of trying. The game on Saturday illustrates just how poor he is as a manager - to take so long to get a consistent performance, a comfortable win, has been a disgrace. Probably too little too late but it aint Micky's fault anyway, he's only the manager. The manager is an irrelevant position at Bramall Lane according to the likes of Brownie - can always blame the earlier man or the top brass.

 

[beightonblade]

don't make Micky the Patsy..... if he keeps us up he's worked wunders.... if he then keeps us up next season he's worked a miricle !

 

[grafikhaus]

I think the Publican would be in order to run a Top Notch Marketing Campaign to improve Business.

Something along the lines of "True Drinkers Belong in my Pub" that should bring em through the door

Good. Very good!

 

[puppet]

don't make Micky the Patsy..... if he keeps us up he's worked wunders.... if he then keeps us up next season he's worked a miricle !

Oh come on BB, we've dipped worse than expected under his tenure.

 

[Micalijo]

don't make Micky the Patsy..... if he keeps us up he's worked wunders.... if he then keeps us up next season he's worked a miricle !

Could not disagree more. You could have kept us up. Zero achievement keeping SUFC in second tier.

 

[beightonblade]

Oh come on BB, we've dipped worse than expected under his tenure.

I think we have ........... BUT don't forget McHe'sTheBestWe'veHad

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Could not disagree more. You could have kept us up. Zero achievement keeping SUFC in second tier.

ah ................. Mic yer forget McHe'sTheBestWe'veHad..... mind yer Micky hasn't made the best start he cud

 

[dkc Blade]

It's pretty obvious that the most successful clubs are those that have stability, and don't sack their manager at the first run of bad results. Warnock and Bassett both had poor spells before they achieved success. Fergie was almost sacked during his early days at Man U but they stuck with him. Arsenal stuck with Wenger and they have been constantly top 3. Things didn't go right for Brian Clough at Forest all the time.

IM we should have stuck with both Warnock and Blackwell, but both managers' positions became untenable simply because of the vitriol and hatred from the kop. I love being a Blade, but seeing a manager or a player subkected to such personal abuse saddens me.

Like Warnock and Blackwell, Adams has a proven track record. Stick with him through the hard times and the good times will come. Now he knows the squad, no one will have a better chance of saving us from relegation. Even if we go down. we should stick with him.

 

[davidpinder]

If we go down adams should be sacked simple as that, no point doing it now as it is to little to late. He took over and we weren't in the relegation zone we might not had been storming the league but if i had just come in and looked at the fixtures especially february i would fancied my chances of being well out of the relegation dog fight by now, the scunny result was a disgrace as was the Derby result. As the for the players brought in, crap in a word Doyle is another monty and bent is a waste of a wage and collins would get in most pub sides. Need a clearout in the summer if by some miracle we stop up then give micky til xmas and if not then the chop and a total clearout. Nothing to lose.

 

[SwissBlade]

If we go down adams should be sacked simple as that, no point doing it now as it is to little to late. He took over and we weren't in the relegation zone we might not had been storming the league but if i had just come in and looked at the fixtures especially february i would fancied my chances of being well out of the relegation dog fight by now, the scunny result was a disgrace as was the Derby result. As the for the players brought in, crap in a word Doyle is another monty and bent is a waste of a wage and collins would get in most pub sides. Need a clearout in the summer if by some miracle we stop up then give micky til xmas and if not then the chop and a total clearout. Nothing to lose.

I disagree. Whilst things weren't as bad as now when Micky came in he inherited a load of shite. I didn't think Feb was a good month for getting results.

True Bent has been a waste of a wage as has Collins. Also true that Doyle is another Monty, perhaps not a bad thing entirely, Monty has been talked up for doing a job on QPR's most creative player and I'd say he was the Man of the match on Saturday.

But why stop at his poor signings. Lowry looks decent and solid, especially alongside Lowton. Vokes started off with some negative reviews but has grown in his short time with us. Then there is Riise, seems to be reacting well to the roles he gets. But lastly Mattock looks a steady signing. Perhaps his eye for talent isn't that bad?

Lets also not forget that Quinn, Monty, Ched and Boggy have all been getting decent reviews on here, many have commented that Quinn and Ched in particular have been excellent (and consistent) under Adams. Something that the Robson (in Quinn's case), Blackwell, Speed and Carver failed to achieve.

Christ even Nos has been playing well of late!

Of course I should also redress the balance and state that Williamson, Ertl, Yeates and Jordan have all been poor under Micky, Hendo was an odd one to chuck straight back in and Simmo still looks a quivering wreck in goal, but the man is a football manager not a miracle worker!

 

[Rudders]

A few considered thoughts from me on Alehouse.

Pathetic, inept, out of his depth, pre-historic.

Stumbled across right balance on Saturday after months of trying.

Just like Warnock then when he was at Utd in similar circumstances. The only reason we went on the triple assault run was the fact that Iffy Onura got injured against Norwich and Warnock accidentally iterated onto a decent team.

Warnock's strength was acknowledging this and keeping with a winning side. Let's see if Adam's chooses to do this.

Now Warnock looks like a world beating manager in this league - perhaps his success is down to some of the excellent players he has at his disposal - rather than managerial input???

 

[bricktop]

When I hear about the 'poor squad', 'broken promises' etc. that Adams has had to deal with, I think a perfect analogy is my local boozer (which has had more managers over the years than United).

When they inevitably fail, they blame any number of people such as the pubco, lack of customers, rising rents, smoking ban. But never themselves.

All I know is that if I were being offered a senior management position, with serious salary etc., I'd have a top-shit accountant and lawyer sat in the meeting so that there would be no scope for reneging on promises.

In my roundabout way, I'm fed up with hearing the excuses that our latest round of poor managers have come up with, or were they blinded by talks about their own salary so they didn't attempt to lay down some ground rules?

Away from the football talk, boozers have been going down the swanny for years. Pubco's rising the rents, tying landlords to deals where they can solely buy their beer from them at exhorbitant prices, paying roughly £3 a pint in most pubco owned pubs, and the smoking ban have all driven the experienced landlords out of the pub game, and they now get a succession of inexperienced managers in who don't know how to look after their beer, and often go in to a pub that lost its previous regular clientele.

The boozers i used to drink in are all pretty much dead now, but the places i used to dismiss as old men's pubs are the places i go to, as they are usually cheaper, sell decent beer, and have the regulars and are generally not tied to companies like Enterprise Inns.

A few considered thoughts from me on Alehouse.

Pathetic, inept, out of his depth, pre-historic.

Stumbled across right balance on Saturday after months of trying. The game on Saturday illustrates just how poor he is as a manager - to take so long to get a consistent performance, a comfortable win, has been a disgrace. Probably too little too late but it aint Micky's fault anyway, he's only the manager. The manager is an irrelevant position at Bramall Lane according to the likes of Brownie - can always blame the earlier man or the top brass.

Your first paragraph told me that what was in the rest of that post would be total bollocks.

There are plenty of people to blame for the ills of Sheffield United at the minute and i'm not afraid to apportion the blame, but rather spend all my time bitching and whingeing about it, all i've tried to do is to try and suggest a solution to the problem.

I've posted for quite a few years now on message boards, and at various time i've been labelled the biggest knocker and the biggest clapper, but all i do is call it as i see it, it might be right or it might be wrong, but i'm usually a lot closer to the mark than someone who comes out with a load of cliched bollocks about the club and the management.

 

[Micalijo]

Away from the football talk, boozers have been going down the swanny for years. Pubco's rising the rents, tying landlords to deals where they can solely buy their beer from them at exhorbitant prices, paying roughly £3 a pint in most pubco owned pubs, and the smoking ban have all driven the experienced landlords out of the pub game, and they now get a succession of inexperienced managers in who don't know how to look after their beer, and often go in to a pub that lost its previous regular clientele.

The boozers i used to drink in are all pretty much dead now, but the places i used to dismiss as old men's pubs are the places i go to, as they are usually cheaper, sell decent beer, and have the regulars and are generally not tied to companies like Enterprise Inns.



Your first paragraph told me that what was in the rest of that post would be total bollocks.

There are plenty of people to blame for the ills of Sheffield United at the minute and i'm not afraid to apportion the blame, but rather spend all my time bitching and whingeing about it, all i've tried to do is to try and suggest a solution to the problem.

I've posted for quite a few years now on message boards, and at various time i've been labelled the biggest knocker and the biggest clapper, but all i do is call it as i see it, it might be right or it might be wrong, but i'm usually a lot closer to the mark than someone who comes out with a load of cliched bollocks about the club and the management.

Well done, I'm very pleased for you.

I mean fancy anyone suggesting in January that Alehouse was a long ball merchant and that it might be a good idea to get someobody different in. He's only got Corky and Bassett in to hold his hand. What a load of rubbish that has proved to be. Fancy anyone suggesting before they played for us that his key permanent signings were beyond a joke. More rubbish.

 

[Ollessendro]

Aux Armes - a call to arms

Personally I think Adams has been very disappointing as manager. However we've shwon signs in the last few games that we could improve. His record is deadful and we cannot ignore that. I don't buy these excuses about the shit team etc. I have made my views clear on Adams (ale house that is out of his depth) but I am willing to change my mind. The jury is still out (although it is close to a verdict) and my views are not setting in stone.

I want to see Adams keep us up. The he will have done the job he is supposed to have done. I want to see us playing like Saturday (or the Forest game). Playing well, with passion and pride. If we don't stay up, I want to see us go down with a fight. I want us to battle to the end. Not roll over. No stupid mistakes and some real Sheffield steel. We have a difficult roun in, but he can keep us up. We have 8 cup final and 5 of those are home games.

I am not convinced as easily as Borwnie. Nor am I as pessimistic as Micalijo. I want Adams to convince me he is the righ man for the job. Keep us up or take us down fighting. If not then fook off. If we stay up or really make a fight of it then I will back him. His record has been awful and he has a lot to do to convince me that he is the man to rebuild (be it in league One or Championship). However these games give him a chance.

It's a call to arms Micky. Get those fuckers playing like Saturday. Let's make the Lane a fortress and pick up some away points. No silly mistakes and no rolling over. Let's fight to the bitter end. I looked at the fixtures yesterday and 14 points is well within our reach. That would give us a big, big chance of survival.

AUX ARMES MICKY ADAMS AND THE RED AND WHITE WAIZARDS!