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Don't believe it
And don't believe either of them would have worked out in our team either.

Lingard because we don't play in the opponents half

And Davies because when 75% possession is given combined with territorial advantage you're not going to stop conceding no matter who's in defence.

The glaringly obvious thing has been missed by him again MIDFIELD, MIDFIELD, MIDFIELD

The money wasn't released because none of Wilders signings since going up has been a success for more than five games

I wouldn't have given anymore either
 
Lingaard was pretty clear on the papers he didn’t fancy it... why would he when he could chase Europe with a manager he’s played with before

Davies I could see, but apparently we didn’t offer him enough in wages if we went back down.
 
TomHeffernan said:
Really interesting from Sheffield United fans live. This guy is obviously ITK.

Fast forward to 41:09 for a real insight. Apparently Lingard and Ben Davies were ready to sign and had already agreed to come only for the board to pull the plug.
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Interesting insight 🤔
 
Thanks for posting - very interesting - clearly the guy is on one side of the argument, but it does feel like a lot of truth in there.

The other side will look at the lack of impact of the signings, the cost of them, the change in attitude from the combative "we're here to match these teams" to the constant comparing of resources.

The truth is somewhere in-between, there is no doubt both sides need to take some blame. I am just so disappointed that between the 2 parties and all the negotiations taking place over these weeks they couldn't take a step back look at where we'd got too, accept what's happened, accept the budget that's available (and the risk in chucking a load of money on loan signings when we all realistically knew we were down), and tried to move forward. I think all parties involved in those talks would agree Chris would have been the best man for the job next year. Compromise - doesn't happen in football these days.

Also illustrates the massive impact the Covid situation has had.

FFS 😢
 
Really interesting watch that. And such a brutally frank assessment of how it all unravelled allegedly. If true, that should and could've been avoided.

I understand both points of view, but for me, if you're the board, don't go back on promises if:

a. The resources of the club simply are not up to scratch.

b. You intend to imply that we were not good enough full stop. We have been poor with a very depleted squad, missed transfer targets, SIGNIFICANT lack of squad depth, an emptyish bench and trying to compete in the best league in the world with Kean Bryan, 38 year old Jags and a midfielder who doesn't want to be here. It's shambolic.

Watching that reinforces my view that the board, the pay conditions, the wage structure, being outbid by rival clubs and refraining from spending based on previous hit and miss targets, leaves a great deal of culpability at the board's door. What's more - the board 1) didn't fund first choice targets in the summer, and when 2nd/3rd choice targets underperformed from August to January, tried to use that as a justification for not offering further spending or suggesting that Wilder needs help with recruitment. That is so incredibly uncalled for it's ridiculous!! He tried to find players within your budget, those players were of a lesser standard, that's not rocket science.

The more I reflect, the more I am becoming steadfast that this the fault of the board, or the failings of the board twisted to read like the failings of the manager.
 
I am sure there would have been More chance of CW getting his two signings across the line if we had won more matches in December a d early January as it was we did not. Subsequently the board accepted the fact that no matter who we brought in we would more than likely be relegated and subsequently for the sake of saving money ~ £5m we decided against it
 
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Kozzy_is_my_Dad said:
Really interesting watch that. And such a brutally frank assessment of how it all unravelled allegedly. If true, that should and could've been avoided.

I understand both points of view, but for me, if you're the board, don't go back on promises if:

a. The resources of the club simply are not up to scratch.

b. You intend to imply that we were not good enough full stop. We have been poor with a very depleted squad, missed transfer targets, SIGNIFICANT lack of squad depth, an emptyish bench and trying to compete in the best league in the world with Kean Bryan, 38 year old Jags and a midfielder who doesn't want to be here. It's shambolic.

Watching that reinforces my view that the board, the pay conditions, the wage structure, being outbid by rival clubs and refraining from spending based on previous hit and miss targets, leaves a great deal of culpability at the board's door. What's more - the board 1) didn't fund first choice targets in the summer, and when 2nd/3rd choice targets underperformed from August to January, tried to use that as a justification for not offering further spending or suggesting that Wilder needs help with recruitment. That is so incredibly uncalled for it's ridiculous!! He tried to find players within your budget, those players were of a lesser standard, that's not rocket science.

The more I reflect, the more I am becoming steadfast that this the fault of the board, or the failings of the board twisted to read like the failings of the manager.
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I would say though, that our second choice targets aren't underperforming because they're second choice, but because we don't play in a way that gets the best out of anyone (and if your first choice is unattainable because of the club's known financial structure then maybe we should have been looking elsewhere anyway.)

Ollie Watkins has scored 10 goals, and has Jack Grealish, Ross Barkley, Douglas Luiz, and Bertrand Traore playing in a positive fashion behind and beside him.

I honestly have no doubts in mind that if you put Brewster in at Villa he'd have bagged a few too, same with McBurnie, who had a better Championship record than Watkins didn't he?

The reason we don't play in a way that gets the best out of forwards is because we have persisted with a flat 3 and one is Lundstram who shouldn't be here, and we got rid of the two players we had that could play the "Duffy role", in Duffy and Freeman, and both of those choices were Wilders.

If you want to do it to avoid relegation in your first season while you settle then fine, but we held our own last season and should have pushed on this.

We were never seriously linked with any attacking midfielders/number 10s I don't think, and that's got to be on the management team.

It's not just the board's fault, it's not just Wilder's fault. They're both at fault.

Looking for more evidence to blame one over the other is not in the best interests of Sheffield United fans as it will either cause issues with the people who own us or tarnish the memories of the great 4 seasons Wilder gave us.
 

Hemmingham is a freelance hack, one of those that eventually gets something right.....take it all with a huge pinch of salt.....in fact, take everything with a huge pinch of salt.

If other reports are true Wilder has been trying to engineer an exit since early December.....

The only ones that are suffering now are us fans, we have had to watch this unfold and play out to our club....managers, players even owners come and go.....we don't.

He's gone, get over it, move forward. No point in trying to dissect things and lay the blame, not going to change owt. That message should also get through to the players sharpish, they are playing for their futures, whether that is at BDTBL or not.
 
We'll know come the summer.

Despite being clearly in Wilder's camp I have to say some of that stuff, if true, doesn't show Wilder in a great light tbh.

Frustrated, annoyed, understandable but walking out now assuming that's the case, leaves a slight bitter taste for me.

Very much back door not front door.
 
JJBlade said:
Don't believe it
And don't believe either of them would have worked out in our team either.

Lingard because we don't play in the opponents half

And Davies because when 75% possession is given combined with territorial advantage you're not going to stop conceding no matter who's in defence.

The glaringly obvious thing has been missed by him again MIDFIELD, MIDFIELD, MIDFIELD

The money wasn't released because none of Wilders signings since going up has been a success for more than five games

I wouldn't have given anymore either
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Because you know more than wilder 😑
 
Torrix1889 said:
Hemmingham is a freelance hack, one of those that eventually gets something right.....take it all with a huge pinch of salt.....in fact, take everything with a huge pinch of salt.

If other reports are true Wilder has been trying to engineer an exit since early December.....

The only ones that are suffering now are us fans, we have had to watch this unfold and play out to our club....managers, players even owners come and go.....we don't.

He's gone, get over it, move forward. No point in trying to dissect things and lay the blame, not going to change owt. That message should also get through to the players sharpish, they are playing for their futures, whether that is at BDTBL or not.
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So you don’t think there’s any truth in what he said
 
bromtom said:
I would say though, that our second choice targets aren't underperforming because they're second choice, but because we don't play in a way that gets the best out of anyone (and if your first choice is unattainable because of the club's known financial structure then maybe we should have been looking elsewhere anyway.)

Ollie Watkins has scored 10 goals, and has Jack Grealish, Ross Barkley, Douglas Luiz, and Bertrand Traore playing in a positive fashion behind and beside him.

I honestly have no doubts in mind that if you put Brewster in at Villa he'd have bagged a few too, same with McBurnie, who had a better Championship record than Watkins didn't he?

The reason we don't play in a way that gets the best out of forwards is because we have persisted with a flat 3 and one is Lundstram who shouldn't be here, and we got rid of the two players we had that could play the "Duffy role", in Duffy and Freeman, and both of those choices were Wilders.

If you want to do it to avoid relegation in your first season while you settle then fine, but we held our own last season and should have pushed on this.

We were never seriously linked with any attacking midfielders/number 10s I don't think, and that's got to be on the management team.

It's not just the board's fault, it's not just Wilder's fault. They're both at fault.

Looking for more evidence to blame one over the other is not in the best interests of Sheffield United fans as it will either cause issues with the people who own us or tarnish the memories of the great 4 seasons Wilder gave us.
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i just think this parting of the ways suited both parties chris has bailed out and the board havent had to sack him
 
1888to1889 said:
Because you know more than wilder 😑
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Believe what you want, if you're dumb enough.
Do you really think we are going to sign any player on £100,000 a week ?
Do you think we're going to sign any player that Liverpool want, and please don't say it was before Liverpool were interested.
We've already heard Jurgen Klopp say that he has been watched closely and had been made aware of Liverpools interest for several months.

We couldn't re-sign Henderson because Man Utd put him on £100,000 a week, and they wanted us to pay a fairly large percentage of it. So Lingard was a definite non starter.

And, exactly what Wilder said he wouldn't do. Put the club in financial trouble, and create a huge gap between what our players earn.

Now, either Wilder has dropped those principles or he's not being 100% truthful.

Are you old enough to remember the "United" series, Dave Basset being told by Reg Brearley that we can't afford Glyn Hodges.

Dave Bassett said "Ok Mr Chairman, let's get cracking with what we've got"
We got promoted, and then got Glyn Hodges.

Such a wild difference to the way Wilder has acted, and this coming from a member of Bassetts team from those days
 
Why are we so quick on here to distrust Wilder now and not the board?

Anything that comes out that might paint a darker picture of the board is laughed out with people being called dumb (i think its dumb to ignore the noises a fellow blade, definitely ITK in Wilder has been making for months).

And this video, whatever it is, is actually way more than owt we've heard the other way thats for sure.
 
Surely nobody believes this. Davies went to Liverpool and Lingarrd is on £100,000 a week that's being paid in full by West Ham. There's going to be so much shit flying around in the next few weeks from both sides of the argument. Conspiracy's and half truths from everyone.
 
JJBlade said:
Are you old enough to remember the "United" series, Dave Basset being told by Reg Brearley that we can't afford Glyn Hodges.

Dave Bassett said "Ok Mr Chairman, let's get cracking with what we've got"
We got promoted, and then got Glyn Hodges.

Such a wild difference to the way Wilder has acted, and this coming from a member of Bassetts
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Aye who the fans had to fund by selling raffle tickets. We've had some reyt chairmen down the years
 
1888to1889 said:
So you don’t think there’s any truth in what he said
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Didn't I say take what he said with a pinch of salt, which implies that it may not all be true? Some of it might but why would a journalist like him have any more inside knowledge than anyone else?
 
1987 said:
Why are we so quick on here to distrust Wilder now and not the board?

Anything that comes out that might paint a darker picture of the board is laughed out with people being called dumb (i think its dumb to ignore the noises a fellow blade, definitely ITK in Wilder has been making for months).

And this video, whatever it is, is actually way more than owt we've heard the other way thats for sure.
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He’s rambling on like a pub drunk.
 
bertieblade said:
I am sure there would have been More chance of CW getting his two signings across the line if we had won more matches in December a d early January as it was we did not. Subsequently the board accepted the fact that no matter who we brought in we would more than likely be relegated and subsequently for the sake of saving money ~ £5m we decided against it
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That's just it, IMO the Prince has used:

1. Poor form (despite injuries and second choice transfer targets) to try and justify that the team were doomed and that Wilder's tactics were off. FWIW, I didn't believe that spending in January was the right thing to do - but I do understand CW's perspectives.

2. Lesser performances of the collective squad (including cheaper, bargain basement players or youngsters for the future) to suggest that Wilder's recruitment was off and couldn't be backed. Wilder was working with what he had.

1888to1889 said:
So you don’t think there’s any truth in what he said
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I think there's elements of truth in what's being said - he's closer to the squad that we are and offering an interpretation. It's more than we have coming from elsewhere currently, and it's no real stretch to come to these interpretations.

Roygbiv said:
Surely nobody believes this. Davies went to Liverpool and Lingarrd is on £100,000 a week that's being paid in full by West Ham. There's going to be so much shit flying around in the next few weeks from both sides of the argument. Conspiracy's and half truths from everyone.
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I'm not saying I believe Lingaard (didn't fancy it) or Davies (Liverpool instead!) but I do believe the general tone of broken promises and underinvestment from the Prince. He has backed us more than any other - but he's been in the PL more recently than any other and in that time, the game has evolved. What he's offered us is an eye watering amount for your average bloke, but still comparative peanuts for the PL and given that we were effectively promotion to the PL with the majority of the L1 squad. Wilder has worked miracles.
 

Kozzy_is_my_Dad said:
That's just it, IMO the Prince has used:

1. Poor form (despite injuries and second choice transfer targets) to try and justify that the team were doomed and that Wilder's tactics were off. FWIW, I didn't believe that spending in January was the right thing to do - but I do understand CW's perspectives.

2. Lesser performances of the collective squad (including cheaper, bargain basement players or youngsters for the future) to suggest that Wilder's recruitment was off and couldn't be backed. Wilder was working with what he had.


I think there's elements of truth in what's being said - he's closer to the squad that we are and offering an interpretation. It's more than we have coming from elsewhere currently, and it's no real stretch to come to these interpretations.


I'm not saying I believe Lingaard (didn't fancy it) or Davies (Liverpool instead!) but I do believe the general tone of broken promises and underinvestment from the Prince. He has backed us more than any other - but he's been in the PL more recently than any other and in that time, the game has evolved. What he's offered us is an eye watering amount for your average bloke, but still comparative peanuts for the PL and given that we were effectively promotion to the PL with the majority of the L1 squad. Wilder has worked miracles.
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But he stopped working miracles. In fact this season has been a complete disaster, even before injuries made it impossible to compete.

There were obvious deficiencies in how the team attacked and absolutely nothing changed. We are attempting to attack exactly the same way as previously despite different personnel and the opposition adapting to it. To not do anything other than sign an unproven forward to address that and then shrug and say "the system is fine, the players just need to be better" isn't good enough. Add that to the schoolboy defending from set pieces and what value exactly has been added to on pitch performances this season?

I'm annoyed that this is all being blamed on money not being spent. Surely Wilder holds responsibility for getting the best out of the squad, even in trying circumstances. He's been a bystander this season.

You know I think him going was the wrong thing to do. But his performance hasn't been good for a fair while
 
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