CWs Legacy

[JimW1889]

The fact the squad needs an overhaul is whose fault ? This is Wilder's legacy I'm afraid. If we achieve mid table next season we will have done well. The season after might be the promotion push ( hopefully)

Do you mainly blame Wilder for this season ? Not necessarily being bottom but the way we have been losing ( I.e. via the 'back door')

I blame Wilder for the results that were his fault up until today, Wilder isn't the manager anymore. Nobody said Adkins' season was Clough's fault. Nobody blamed Adkins when we were bottom in league 1 after 4 games. I've got a feeling nobody will say it's Wilder's success if we got promoted next season.

 

[Stantheman]

Lundstrom traffic cone Burke traffic cone Musset traffic cone Stevens traffic cone ,traffic cones don't win games

You can't expect traffic cones to go toe to toe with Leicester. We'd get picked off!

 

[The Bear]

That's not abuse, it's a general observation. Sorry if it resonates.

Doesn't resonate with me at all. Been and seen this crap for nearly 60 years, get some perspective or perhaps yours is North Korean like adulation.

Wilder is a good motivator, can do well with poorish average players but.

Had no plan B.
Been a total mardy arse - for the last year maybe?
Is arrogant - my way or no way.
Hopeless with strikers - obvious last season but masked then by an excellent defence.
And made a total and utter fuck up with transfers over the last two years.

He is not a genius - needs to go away and grow up, embrace new ideas and add these to his repertoire. Then he might be a great manager.

His biggest legacy - probably uniting the club. They were over promoted and after a few injuries have now found their level. It is excrutiatingly embarrasing at the moment. Wilder was so arrogant he behaved as if he was Sheffield United. If he wanted that then he should have found some backers and bought the club.

Five years of glory nah . Four great years and one absolutely horrendous one. Unbelievable after what happened before. Bit like the collapse of the Third Reich/Japanese Empire ie over reaching. Overall a positive, but the damage he has inflicted could see us do a Wolves/Sunderland/Northampton. Successive relagations from the top flight. I bloody hope not but with SUFC you never know.

 

[Yogi]

Wilders legacy will be the memories, increased fan engagement with the club and how the young players he’s brought in do over the next few years. Managers don’t generally leave long lasting legacies due to high player turnover. The long lasting infrastructure stuff training grounds academies stadium expansions are left by owners. Our owner has gambled all his goodwill on the next 3-4 months we can all as blades only hope he wins his bet and we go on to have another great 4-5 cycle.

 

[Hillsboro Blade]

Doesn't resonate with me at all. Been and seen this crap for nearly 60 years, get some perspective or perhaps yours is North Korean like adulation.

Wilder is a good motivator, can do well with poorish average players but.

Had no plan B.
Been a total mardy arse - for the last year maybe?
Is arrogant - my way or no way.
Hopeless with strikers - obvious last season but masked then by an excellent defence.
And made a total and utter fuck up with transfers over the last two years.

He is not a genius - needs to go away and grow up, embrace new ideas and add these to his repertoire. Then he might be a great manager.

His biggest legacy - probably uniting the club. They were over promoted and after a few injuries have now found their level. It is excrutiatingly embarrasing at the moment. Wilder was so arrogant he behaved as if he was Sheffield United. If he wanted that then he should have found some backers and bought the club.

Five years of glory nah . Four great years and one absolutely horrendous one. Unbelievable after what happened before. Bit like the collapse of the Third Reich/Japanese Empire ie over reaching. Overall a positive, but the damage he has inflicted could see us do a Wolves/Sunderland/Northampton. Successive relagations from the top flight. I bloody hope not but with SUFC you never know.

Nail on the head there The Bear. His ‘woe is me’ antics over the past year really started to get on my tits. His ego and stubbornness were damaging the club. Two sides to every story, would love to hear The Princes side of things.

 

[Stretch]

I will always be grateful for those 4 wonderful seasons, and for taking the club to heights I never thought I would see before being in my dotage.

But even taking into account covid and injuries, he deserved to have a relegation on his CV after this season, and I won't deny that I am quite miffed that he has walked away before that happens.

Whether or not he deliberately engineered this, by publicly criticising the board and making his position untenable before the season finished, we will never know. But it's how it feels to me.

 

[Razor1967]

Dad, dad I stuck up for you daddy....

Think you are on the wrong forum

 

[yorkshirecoast]

Wilder's legacy is that today's fixture is a Premier League one.

End of.

2nd worst PL team ever.

End of.

 

[Nine Inch Nalis]

2nd worst PL team ever.

End of.

Yap yap yap

How did they get there then genius...?

 

[gordoncharles]

Wilder's legacy is that today's fixture is a Premier League one.

End of.

Well there were some great and unexpected times, but the actual legacy also includes leaving the club outside of the Premier League.

Much, much better than when he arrived of course, but there's some work to do for the poor sap who picks up the pieces

 

[JPBrods]

You know, admiring everything Wilder has done for this club since 2016 and believing he's been one of our greatest ever managers while also believing that his exit has been shambolic, toxic, and nothing short of a complete cop-out, is a perfectly valid opinion to hold...

You don't have to be in one camp or the other.

 

[Nine Inch Nalis]

Well there were some great and unexpected times, but the actual legacy also includes leaving the club outside of the Premier League.

Much, much better than when he arrived of course, but there's some work to do for the poor sap who picks up the pieces

Therein lies the problem.

No manager with any degree of self-respect would touch this sorry enterprise with a ten foot barge pole.

 

[Stantheman]

Think you are on the wrong forum

I think you are, psychophants.com , here let me google that for you.

 

[The Bear]

I will always be grateful for those 4 wonderful seasons, and for taking the club to heights I never thought I would see before being in my dotage.

But even taking into account covid and injuries, he deserved to have a relegation on his CV after this season, and I won't deny that I am quite miffed that he has walked away before that happens.

Whether or not he deliberately engineered this, by publicly criticising the board and making his position untenable before the season finished, we will never know. But it's how it feels to me.

I find it interesting comparing the last SUFC top flight managers.

At one end of the spectrum we have Neil Warnock - a lot of passion, great motivator really got teams going to the end of every game. Probably on balance the best of the three for the latter. From an entertainment perspective, excitement - great' football style ok but quite self centred and as a consequence blinkered himself making big mistakes. Got relegated because of tactical mistakes and somehow failing to rise to the occassion in THE big game (as he did in the POF).
One promtion to top flight and one season in it.

At the other, Dave Bassett. Very successful at getting rock all out of nothing. Brilliant at unearthing gems, used the percentage style of football to get results. Did it with Wimbledon and SUFC. Stayed in the top flight and only lost it to a genuine fire sale of his key striker and then really unlucky to get relegated. Entertainment perspective, excitement - very good, football style - route one later mixing it up, quite genuine reasonable relationship with bosses despite some crap and a half. Relegation - really, really unlucky. One SUFC promtion to top flight and four seasons in it.

In the middle Chris Wilder. Fantastic like Bassett at getting oceans from average players but not that good at unearthing them, using in the main many who'd previously played under him. Fantastic club culture across the whole spectrum, not divisive like Warnock but too much of a control freak? Not that receptive to new ideas. Entertainment perspective - brilliant when winning, not very good when the underdog. Style of football best of the three but his plan B virtually non existent. Excellent at maintaining momentum. One SUFC promtion to top flight and two seasons in it.

 

[Razor1967]

I think you are, psychophants.com , here let me google that for you.

If I were you I would be more worried about your game against Huddersfield

 

[Stantheman]

If I were you I would be more worried about your game against Huddersfield

Oh here we go, always proof you have lost the argument. My next game is v Chelsea pal but keep on the sucking off narrative, if you carry on wilder might sign your left bollock. Won't that be nice.

 

[bertieblade]

Quite sure that the team that Wilder led to the premiership would have beaten today’s team and for that matter last weeks team. That is despite having spent £130m and the fact that we had over £50m of his purchase on the bench that could not get in the team.

There are two sides to every story and both sides have made mistakes but I cannot help but feel that CW got out in time before his stock dropped as he realised that the team he had built was not very good, not only for the premiership but also to enable us to bounce back.

 

[Razor1967]

Oh here we go, always proof you have lost the argument. My next game is v Chelsea pal but keep on the sucking off narrative, if you carry on wilder might sign your left bollock. Won't that be nice.

Oh here we go, always proof you have lost the argument. My next game is v Chelsea pal but keep on the sucking off narrative, if you carry on wilder might sign your left bollock. Won't that be nice.

Well you are a new member intent on insulting everyone and talking shit as if it’s fact. Makes sense to me....

 

[Stantheman]

I've insulted no-one unlike some on here. Also show me where I haven't stated facts? Go and cry in your wilder scrapbook ffs.

 

[metalblade]

Another terrible OP. Wilder’s team would never have just surrendered a game like this. Wobble your head.

Really Wilder's team has surrendered all season

 

[The Bear]

Quite sure that the team that Wilder led to the premiership would have beaten today’s team and for that matter last weeks team. That is despite having spent £130m and the fact that we had over £50m of his purchase on the bench that could not get in the team.

There are two sides to every story and both sides have made mistakes but I cannot help but feel that CW got out in time before his stock dropped as he realised that the team he had built was not very good, not only for the premiership but also to enable us to bounce back.

Agred but with CW it was all about momentum and this season there is mometum - downwards. Sadly he couldn't break that, possibly a combo of totally inadequate quality, injuries, lack of crowds, burn out and frustrations that his plans were not 'totally' shared by the board.

 

[BigDon]

I find it interesting comparing the last SUFC top flight managers.

At one end of the spectrum we have Neil Warnock - a lot of passion, great motivator really got teams going to the end of every game. Probably on balance the best of the three for the latter. From an entertainment perspective, excitement - great' football style ok but quite self centred and as a consequence blinkered himself making big mistakes. Got relegated because of tactical mistakes and somehow failing to rise to the occassion in THE big game (as he did in the POF).
One promtion to top flight and one season in it.

At the other, Dave Bassett. Very successful at getting rock all out of nothing. Brilliant at unearthing gems, used the percentage style of football to get results. Did it with Wimbledon and SUFC. Stayed in the top flight and only lost it to a genuine fire sale of his key striker and then really unlucky to get relegated. Entertainment perspective, excitement - very good, football style - route one later mixing it up, quite genuine reasonable relationship with bosses despite some crap and a half. Relegation - really, really unlucky. One SUFC promtion to top flight and four seasons in it.

In the middle Chris Wilder. Fantastic like Bassett at getting oceans from average players but not that good at unearthing them, using in the main many who'd previously played under him. Fantastic club culture across the whole spectrum, not divisive like Warnock but too much of a control freak? Not that receptive to new ideas. Entertainment perspective - brilliant when winning, not very good when the underdog. Style of football best of the three but his plan B virtually non existent. Excellent at maintaining momentum. One SUFC promtion to top flight and two seasons in it.

Agreed and non of them capable of managing at the highest level. Once each had secured promotion they should have had an incentive to go into a different role, you need to play a different game in the prem. then how do you deny them a chance after they have earned it. Last season we were lucky to finish where we did, all came from that last ten min goal from billy at Bournemouth. last three games of the season rang massive alarm bells as did many others but nobody seemed to hear them,

 

[The Bear]

Agreed and non of them capable of managing at the highest level. Once each had secured promotion they should have had an incentive to go into a different role, you need to play a different game in the prem. then how do you deny them a chance after they have earned it. Last season we were lucky to finish where we did, all came from that last ten min goal from billy at Bournemouth. last three games of the season rang massive alarm bells as did many others but nobody seemed to hear them,

To be fair Bassett made a half decent fist of it. Deano's sale and the infamous Segers incident had quite a bit to do with it. Very unlucky to go down. Under NW was getting a bit likely as it proved and this season, well - nailed and welded on!

 

[LondonBlade89]

Yes, this is Wilder’s legacy. But, for me, that shouldn’t be the big criticism of him it appears to be. He’s assembled a squad which dramatically over-achieved to do what it did, and he’s operated with a budget which has made it near impossible to raise the quality to the level required.

When we were flying up the leagues, we were loving it. When we were finishing 9th in the Premier League, we were loving it.

But what a lot of people were also loving was we did it. We were regularly at the bottom of the wage bill tables. Even in the Championship.

We loved the fact that Wilder had done this with a team of supposed “journeymen”. Players picked up off the scrap heap and turned into footballers who could cut it at the top level.

Our first season in the Premier League was with a huge core of players who were basically Championship and League One players. Basham, Stevens, Fleck, Norwood, McGoldrick, we all know the names. We rejoiced in this.

The rest of the squad was made up of a bunch of players who were also, at best, Championship players. We didn’t get to see them much last year, but I think we knew that when signing the likes of Ben Osborn, Jack Robinson and co., we weren’t doing so because they were brilliant players. They were decent players, good characters, but ultimately cheap and in our budget.

All in, it was the squad we could afford.

But then comes the issue. The gap in class between the Premier League and the Championship is bigger than ever. This was ALWAYS going to catch up with us, unless you seriously revamp the side. And that costs a bomb in transfer fees AND wages.

Wilder’s biggest failing was that he took this side so far, continued similar success with our budget was nearly impossible. I’m not sure what the people now criticising his legacy expected. We knew we had a cheap as chips squad, we knew we were punching above our weight.

Yes, I know. We should’ve got to the Premier League and set about signing more Premier League standard players. But, on our wage budget, that’s easier said than done. We could have used the foreign market more, and I still don’t know why that happened, but I honestly think Wilder tried.

The fact is we massively overachieved. This season, we didn’t. I’m not even sure we've underachieved, based on our squad. For sure there were major faults for Wilder. Most problematic was we didn’t fix our issue with creating chances. Ultimately, we hoped Wilder would set us up to prosper long-term, and I’m as gutted as anyone that it doesn’t look like it.

Right now, given the wealth of our owner, the quality of our players, the size of our fan base, all of that, we’re a decent Championship team. Unless the Prince is able to pump in more money, that is our position for the foreseeable. The occasional season in the Premier League, maybe, but we’ll need major change to get behind that. It makes me feel really uneasy that the same people who were loving the success of our journeyman squad last year are now bemoaning the legacy, when it’s been less than a year since that 9th place finish.

Money is everything in football this days. Wilder just helped us forgot about that for a bit. Only very few exceptional managers can do that.

 

[alcoblade]

But bailed before it wasn't.

Certainly end of.

“Bailed”. With a big payoff. Strange that.

 

[Robboblade1889]

Another attention seeking thread from another prick crawling out of the woodwork. Come back in 12 months and see where we are you complete and utter bellend.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Really Wilder's team has surrendered all season

When have they lost 5 nil?

 

[We're back!]

Yes, this is Wilder’s legacy. But, for me, that shouldn’t be the big criticism of him it appears to be. He’s assembled a squad which dramatically over-achieved to do what it did, and he’s operated with a budget which has made it near impossible to raise the quality to the level required.

When we were flying up the leagues, we were loving it. When we were finishing 9th in the Premier League, we were loving it.

But what a lot of people were also loving was we did it. We were regularly at the bottom of the wage bill tables. Even in the Championship.

We loved the fact that Wilder had done this with a team of supposed “journeymen”. Players picked up off the scrap heap and turned into footballers who could cut it at the top level.

Our first season in the Premier League was with a huge core of players who were basically Championship and League One players. Basham, Stevens, Fleck, Norwood, McGoldrick, we all know the names. We rejoiced in this.

The rest of the squad was made up of a bunch of players who were also, at best, Championship players. We didn’t get to see them much last year, but I think we knew that when signing the likes of Ben Osborn, Jack Robinson and co., we weren’t doing so because they were brilliant players. They were decent players, good characters, but ultimately cheap and in our budget.

All in, it was the squad we could afford.

But then comes the issue. The gap in class between the Premier League and the Championship is bigger than ever. This was ALWAYS going to catch up with us, unless you seriously revamp the side. And that costs a bomb in transfer fees AND wages.

Wilder’s biggest failing was that he took this side so far, continued similar success with our budget was nearly impossible. I’m not sure what the people now criticising his legacy expected. We knew we had a cheap as chips squad, we knew we were punching above our weight.

Yes, I know. We should’ve got to the Premier League and set about signing more Premier League standard players. But, on our wage budget, that’s easier said than done. We could have used the foreign market more, and I still don’t know why that happened, but I honestly think Wilder tried.

The fact is we massively overachieved. This season, we didn’t. I’m not even sure we've underachieved, based on our squad. For sure there were major faults for Wilder. Most problematic was we didn’t fix our issue with creating chances. Ultimately, we hoped Wilder would set us up to prosper long-term, and I’m as gutted as anyone that it doesn’t look like it.

Right now, given the wealth of our owner, the quality of our players, the size of our fan base, all of that, we’re a decent Championship team. Unless the Prince is able to pump in more money, that is our position for the foreseeable. The occasional season in the Premier League, maybe, but we’ll need major change to get behind that. It makes me feel very fucking uneasy that the same people who were loving the success of our journeyman squad last year are now bemoaning the legacy, when we’re not even a year further on.

Money is everything in football this days. Wilder just helped us forgot about that for a bit. Only very few exceptional managers can do that.

Perfectly said Some people have very short memories and unrealistic expectations

 

[Carlton Blade]

On show in all its glory today. Absolute embarrassment of a Premier League team and he walks away with a big playoff. Massive rebuilding job needed

Nobody made the owner offer him that contract. Its expensive to get to the point you can't work together. Plenty of blame for everyone involved.

 

[Eza Blade]

Another attention seeking thread from another prick crawling out of the woodwork. Come back in 12 months and see where we are you complete and utter bellend.

Can see it now “can’t believe we’re now back in premier league and I can’t get a season ticket. I only missed championship cus of work...,,managed to get a ticket to lad game though”

God I hope an right!!!