South Yorkshire Police/Millwall Supporters Yesterday

[sheffielder]

200 lads hanging round the town centre flew under the police radar?

 

[Deleted member 2102]

To me, if you want to do a job that involves controlling people, ordering them about and generally acting like an arsehole to the general public, coppers have got pyschological issues stemming from childhood. Perhaps their fathers beat them, and their mothers deprived them of attention. Who knows?

If you have several hundred people who want to go mental then how many police do you need to combat this? They should have just charged them with horses and beat them with batons. Would this have been OK for you? Millwall should not be allowed to have any away tickets for any game. The vast majority of their fans are utter scum.

 

[axel smeets]

If you have several hundred people who want to go mental then how many police do you need to combat this? They should have just charged them with horses and beat them with batons. Would this have been OK for you? Millwall should not be allowed to have any away tickets for any game. The vast majority of their fans are utter scum.

Agreed, the horses should have been sent in, the twats should have been beaten and United should refuse an away allocation next time at the Den, and deny Millwall an allocation here. Simple.

 

[cooperblade]

Hang on a minute. This is UK not Egypt. Can the police stop a few lads travelling on a train and having a few beers in town during an afternoon? Can you get moved on for potentially likely to cause trouble. Of course they did and it was obvious they would but short of drafting in a thousand policemen I can't see what they could have done about that lot? Plenty of mistakes after the game but they have to apply the laws hopefully.

West Ham fans who went to the semi v Birmingham the other night were very forcibly removed from pubs by the police at around 6 o'clock and forced to the ground (in an escort that took 2 hours meaning they missed kick-off).

The feds have got plenty of form for moving people on without any great reason. Sure it's not legal, and they've lost at least one legal case for doing it, but it's definitely one of the tools they use with football fans.

SYPD are obviously more interested in arresting Blades than away fans - why else was it a line of coppers in front of the South Stand and stewards in front of the Millwall end?

Amazing how our stewards who are so keen to throw anyone out of the away end for the slightest misdemeanour against the likes of Norwich weren't nearly as interested in getting stuck in on Saturday. Most of the pitch invaders made it safely back to the away end.

Leeds will be interesting. How many tickets will they get, will kick off remain at 3pm, will they be locked in after and will the stewards allow them to run on the pitch willy nilly?

 

[super_pig]

typical of our stewards.. like putting themselves about to the likes of ipswich and reading but don't fancy it if it is millwall or coventry

 

[axel smeets]

West Ham fans who went to the semi v Birmingham the other night were very forcibly removed from pubs by the police at around 6 o'clock and forced to the ground (in an escort that took 2 hours meaning they missed kick-off).

The feds have got plenty of form for moving people on without any great reason. Sure it's not legal, and they've lost at least one legal case for doing it, but it's definitely one of the tools they use with football fans.

SYPD are obviously more interested in arresting Blades than away fans - why else was it a line of coppers in front of the South Stand and stewards in front of the Millwall end?

Amazing how our stewards who are so keen to throw anyone out of the away end for the slightest misdemeanour against the likes of Norwich weren't nearly as interested in getting stuck in on Saturday. Most of the pitch invaders made it safely back to the away end.

Leeds will be interesting. How many tickets will they get, will kick off remain at 3pm, will they be locked in after and will the stewards allow them to run on the pitch willy nilly?

That just about sums the whole event up for me. Example, at Burnley on New Years Day, myself and the four others who I travel to away games with got into an argument with the lanc constabularly, who basically insisted that we move to the ground. We had had a drink in Leeds and Wakefield prior to the game, and arrived at Burnley around 2pm, so we thought we'd have one in the boozer next to the station and then move on.

But, oh no, that wasn't good enough for the pricks, and we argues our case, a senior member of plod arrives, realises that his two colleagues have dropped a bollock, but can't be seen to be siding with us, so reluctantly he asked us to move on.

The point is coppers will move on perfectly law abiding citizens who basically won't give em any bother, but when it comes to a bunch of thugs, they don't wanna know. They could have dealt with the cockney wankers easily, but by failing to do so, made a rod for their own backs, and deserved what trouble they had to deal with.

 

[TAMUS]

Pound for Pound that Swansea lot that came in the Fa cup game ,would have eaten the Millwall lot for breakfast , at the time it was a good job they did not kick off and just enjoyed the football .

 

[shorehamview]

To me, if you want to do a job that involves controlling people, ordering them about and generally acting like an arsehole to the general public, coppers have got pyschological issues stemming from childhood. Perhaps their fathers beat them, and their mothers deprived them of attention. Who knows?

Frankly that's what can be summed up as a crock of shit.

Most people who complain that coppers treat them like shit are what's known technically as "criminals". Most coppers are ordinary people doing what is a very difficult job. Sure, there will be some dicks, just as there are in every workplace, but to stereotype them all like that displays either a complete lack of knowledge or just general thickness. Who knows?

 

[metty]

Ive got a good idea. Why don't you go up to a copper and tell him to his face that he's a coward or a cnut, I'm sure it will be well received and he would discuss it with you.

 

[axel smeets]

Ive got a good idea. Why don't you go up to a copper and tell him to his face that he's a coward or a cnut, I'm sure it will be well received and he would discuss it with you.

Your point?

 

[Highbury_Blade]

To me, if you want to do a job that involves controlling people, ordering them about and generally acting like an arsehole to the general public, coppers have got pyschological issues stemming from childhood. Perhaps their fathers beat them, and their mothers deprived them of attention. Who knows?

Are you completely fucking retarded?

 

[axel smeets]

Are you completely fucking retarded?

Just my opinion, for what its worth. My experience of the police force in this country is that they are generally a bunch of bullying idiots. Others may disagree. Obviously you do?

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Correct...

 

[axel smeets]

Why not just say so then?

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Just treating your post with the contempt it deserved

 

[axel smeets]

Please elaborate

 

[kelham blade]

typical of our stewards.. like putting themselves about to the likes of ipswich and reading but don't fancy it if it is millwall or coventry

Our stewards still looked to be having fun on Saturday. One of them kept going back in for more until HE was restrained by a copper!

I enjoy watching our stewards soften up rowdy away fans. It is another source of entertainment when the football gets boring.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Please elaborate

To paraphrase yourself:

"To be a copper you must have psychological issues stemming from childhood."

How is that not a completely retarded statement?

 

[axel smeets]

To paraphrase yourself:

"To be a copper you must have psychological issues stemming from childhood."

How is that not a completely retarded statement?

When I see some of the behaviour of the police, either at matches or in general, I wonder why would you want to treat people like some of them do, with the smugness whilst they do it. Some of them seem to enjoy winding people up, then threatening them with arrest when they object.
But surely you, highbury, when you have followed United away from home, must have seen some the behaviour I mentioned earlier? And if so, what is your opinion?

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Key point in that phrase, was "some of them do"

I bet i know far more coppers than you do, and with the exception of a few twats, by and large most of the ones i know are good people that want to do right for the communities they serve.

 

[Ollessendro]

Rather than this ridicilious rash statement and juvenile comments, how about someone summs up what actually happened for us who weren't there.

Axel, you are putting a lot of effort in to slagging the coppers off. Can you give us a version of events. As much as I despise violcence in football and detest hooliganism I am interested in what happened. Can anyone tell me events from start to finish, whatever they saw, heirsay etc. Maybe I should look on Blades Mad .....

 

[axel smeets]

I'm afraid I don't have anything good to say about them to be honest Highbury. Most of the time I have encountered them has been at away matches, although there have been times when I have required their assistance and found them to be just as useless. People will again disagree, but you can only go on what you see.

However, I stand by my comments about the Millwall game on Saturday though, they made a rod for their own backs.

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Rather than this ridicilious rash statement and juvenile comments, how about someone summs up what actually happened for us who weren't there.

Axel, you are putting a lot of effort in to slagging the coppers off. Can you give us a version of events. As much as I despise violcence in football and detest hooliganism I am interested in what happened. Can anyone tell me events from start to finish, whatever they saw, heirsay etc. Maybe I should look on Blades Mad .....

Yes I'll try. There were about as many coppers on duty on Saturday as you would see for a Sheffield derby. Plenty down London Rd, in town. Passing past the Roebuck our group saw three riot vans outside, three coppers on 'ossback, and another van unit filming the Blades stood outside drinking.
During the match, there was a group of Millwall that broke away from the main section, and headed towards the South Stand, taunting the Blades who were sat on there. They also seemed to be throwing objects too. However, I sit on the Kop, so if I am wrong about objects being thrown I will happily stand corrected.
My point about the coppers was that they could have and should have forced the Millwall fans back into the main section of fans. That for a start would have taken some of the sting out. Then, there was violence outside the ground after the match. Now it seemed to me as if the coppers had lost control of the situation.
Next time it should be a complete away fans ban for Millwall.

 

[WhiteHawk]

And to add, you will probably see more police tomorrow night against Reading than you did on Saturday, When the police knew Millwall were bringing numbers. Everyone knew it was going to go off before the game so why were the police not prepared?

Are you joking? Did you not see the massive amount of police vans parked in the petrol station before the game? Did you not see the police stood in pairs every couple of hundred yards all the way from Staples to the ground? I've never seen so many police at a United game before!

 

[axel smeets]

Here's a question for anyone who may know: Do syp have the power to ban Millwall supporters, or would that be an FA decision, or just an SUFC decision?

 

[Highbury_Blade]

They would need to seek a football banning order from the courts. They only way they can get one of those is for the suspect to be convicted of an offence either on the way to, during, or travelling back from a football game.

 

[axel smeets]

They would need to seek a football banning order from the courts. They only way they can get one of those is for the suspect to be convicted of an offence either on the way to, during, or travelling back from a football game.

No, I meant a total ban on Millwall fans, Highbury. Sorry, perhaps I should have said so! Where would jurisdiction lie?

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Banning millwall fans from all away grounds or just the lane?

On what grounds anyway, bar a few scuffles? It would take violence an an unprecedented level for an away team to be permanently banned.

 

[TAMUS]

It needs to be made a midweek match if we are still in the championship next year .Must have cost a fortune to police it , 200 rozzers on overtime ,with vans horses wolves and robo gear ,

 

[Sirius]

Please elaborate

He did. Which part of Highbury's post do you disagree with or not understand?

 

[axel smeets]

Banning millwall fans from all away grounds or just the lane?

On what grounds anyway, bar a few scuffles? It would take violence an an unprecedented level for an away team to be permanently banned.

As someone who travels to probably 75% of our away games, I wouldn't like to think of United being banned. However, Millwall fans were behaving so badly, I think a ban on them travelling to the Lane next time (probably not next year) would be justified. And it wasn't just a few scuffles either. It was violence the likes of which is not seen nowadays, and the last time I saw it like that was in September 2003, just after we had beaten Cardiff 5-3.