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Ok here goes:

Considering that we will not be expected to get any points for the next two games and probably won't with no changes, it is worth trying something else.

1. Drop Ramsdale and try Verrips for the next two games. Granted it wasn't his fault we lost yesterday, however he has not been convincing or reassuring this season so would be good to take him out of the firing line and see if Verrips is as good or any better. Chelsea were ruthless last season in ditching £70 million Kepa for Caberello and it paid off.

2. Start Brewster. Giving him sub appearances here and there doesn't help his form or confidence or get him to gel into the team.

3. Get on the phone to Jack Wilshere's agent with a view if fit to a play-as-you pay deal. A big name player like him could give the squad a boost and he's a different type of player to what we have. The Euros are coming up next summer so he should be fully motivated.

4. Depending on how '1' goes, see if Dean Henderson could come back on loan. It doesn't matter if he's paid twice as much as our next best player, he's worth it and it won't damage squad harmony anymore than continuing to pick Lundstram.

5. Sign some proper scouts that can recommend players outside the Championship and England. Actually be open minded to signing and playing them.

6. Wilder needs someone to advise and help him, and there's no shame in that. Whether a Director of Football, or a new coach to work alongside is the right model who knows, but right now I think some fresh output could be ideal.

7. Read these threads and learn from them:

Tactically outdone | S24SU Forum | Sheffield United Community

The long ball over the top down the middle | S24SU Forum | Sheffield United Community

Spend every single training sessions teaching our players how to shoot from long range, and our defenders how to deal with the long ball over the top.

8. And most controversially, change the system.

Albert Einstein said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. Just because we are losing by 1 goal a game rather than 4 doesn't mean we are 'close' to getting it right, we've gained 1 point out of a possible 33 with the way we're playing and to be honest deserve little more than that.

Yes the way we set up has done wonders for us in the past, but that's the point, it's in the past and has little relevance to our current situation and predicament.

Personally I'd go with:

Verrips
Baldock- Basham-Egan- Stevens
Burke/Bogle - Berge- Lundstram - Osborne/Fleck
Brewster- Mc Burnie

Berge is more used to playing in a 2 for Norway and Genk, Bogle might offer something different and productive in tandem with Baldock, likewise Osborne and Stevens on the other side.

9. Tell the players to stop hoofing it up to McBurnie. Occasionally is fine but it's too predictable and not productive most of the time.

10. Be more strategic with substitutions. I can't see there being any rational in bringing Norwood on yesterday for example.

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This would take some swallowing of pride for Wilder, along with recognition that he has made some mistakes. The bigger mistake is not changing anything. I commented yesterday that I feared he would be too proud to do this which is quite harsh, however the best managers adapt and change.

He did it after the Millwall game in League 1, he will need to do so again now.
 



The plan is the same as its always been, to try and conquer football matches.
 
I stopped reading at "1. Drop Ramsdale". Did it improve from there?

Ramsdale actually reminds me of George Long when he played for us. A decent keeper in there, but not inspiring confidence. Twice he dropped the ball the yesterday and was lucky that a Leicester player wasn't on hand to pounce.

'De Gea was in goal during the league defeat to Blackburn Rovers and was blamed by most media outlets for failing to deal with an aerial ball that led to the conceding of a late goal by Grant Hanley in a 3–2 defeat.[51] De Gea was nonplussed by the error, saying, "all keepers make mistakes once in a while and none of us like it when we do. I have every intention of spending many years here at Manchester United. I want to become a great United keeper and I want to earn and deserve the respect I hope to get,"[52] and spoke of his intentions of surpassing his predecessor: "Hopefully, I will equal or even surpass the performance and contribution Edwin van der Sar made to the club."[53] After this match, De Gea was dropped and replaced by United's second-choice goalkeeper, Anders Lindegaard.['

That was back in 2011 when De Gea was about the same age as Ramsdale. What happened next...? Did it improve from there?
 
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I managed to get as far as 'Bring in Jack Wilshere', then I realised I'd read enough satire for today and gave up.

You obviously have difficulty reading as that's not what I said.
 
Ok here goes:

Considering that we will not be expected to get any points for the next two games and probably won't with no changes, it is worth trying something else.

1. No

2. Yes

3. No

4. No, he's playing for Man Utd's first team ffs

5. We won't be signing anyone in January other than a loan or two but generally it's an area we need to improve.

6. Again, not going to happen. He'd walk before this was forced upon him.

7. Shooting from long range generally doesn't work for a reason. It's low % stuff that has no long term benefit.

8. Maybe

9. Until we have a midfield that are comfortable in possession then it's our only out-ball, sadly.

10. That was a daft sub, granted.
 
You obviously have difficulty reading as that's not what I said.
"3. Get on the phone to Jack Wilshere's agent with a view if fit to a play-as-you pay deal. A big name player like him could give the squad a boost and he's a different type of player to what we have. The Euros are coming up next summer so he should be fully motivated."

That looks like a pretty unequivocal 'sign Jack Wilshere' to me.
 
"3. Get on the phone to Jack Wilshere's agent with a view if fit to a play-as-you pay deal. A big name player like him could give the squad a boost and he's a different type of player to what we have. The Euros are coming up next summer so he should be fully motivated."

That looks like a pretty unequivocal 'sign Jack Wilshere' to me.

Getting on the phone and signing someone are two different things.

Getting on the phone involves:

'Hi, Chris Wilder here. Wondering if Jack would be interested in coming to Bramall Lane for the rest of the season. We can offer £15k per game played, after a rigorous medical and several training sessions to see if he can prove he is up to speed and can fit in with what we're trying to do. At that point then we might be able to offer a contract.

We took this approach with David McGoldrick.

Signing Jack Wilshere involves offering him a contract and getting him to sign it.
 
Getting on the phone and signing someone are two different things.

Getting on the phone involves:

'Hi, Chris Wilder here. Wondering if Jack would be interested in coming to Bramall Lane for the rest of the season. We can offer £15k per game played, after a rigorous medical and several training sessions to see if he can prove he is up to speed and can fit in with what we're trying to do. At that point then we might be able to offer a contract.

We took this approach with David McGoldrick.

Signing Jack Wilshere involves offering him a contract and getting him to sign it.

I didn't realise that we usually did our business in the latter way. Maybe that's where we were going wrong; we should have had a conversation with them before offering a contract and getting them to sign it.
 
I didn't realise that we usually did our business in the latter way. Maybe that's where we were going wrong; we should have had a conversation with them before offering a contract and getting them to sign it.

So I am saying that we should have a conversation with Jack Wilshere. That's step 1.

Step 2 is actually signing him, which I'm not advocating as that depends on step 1.

Hope that makes sense?
 



2. Start Brewster. Giving him sub appearances here and there doesn't help his form or confidence or get him to gel into the team.

T'was only a few weeks ago people on here were saying "he's only young! Needs to get up to speed! Can't rely on him every week!"

I will back Wilder to the moon but I said it then and I say it now: Why on earth did we spend £23m on yet another striker we can't play for 90 mins every week in the hope that they will consistently score? Brewster was supposed to be the game changing signing yet so far he's offered up really nothing else we didn't already have by having Billy Sharp run around for the last 20 minutes. Thus far an infinitely worse big money signing than Ramsdale.
 
As well as enquiring if we can get Dean Henderson back.. we should

1. Get on the blower to Juve to see if Ronaldo is available.
2. Dig up the body of Jimmy Hagan to see if he can put a shift in between now and April.
3. Get Ched back.

Now you may say I’m being silly but all three of these are about as likely getting Dean Henderson back this season. Although the OP almost certainly is kicking himself for not including number 3 in the original selections.
 
T'was only a few weeks ago people on here were saying "he's only young! Needs to get up to speed! Can't rely on him every week!"

I will back Wilder to the moon but I said it then and I say it now: Why on earth did we spend £23m on yet another striker we can't play for 90 mins every week in the hope that they will consistently score? Brewster was supposed to be the game changing signing yet so far he's offered up really nothing else we didn't already have by having Billy Sharp run around for the last 20 minutes. Thus far an infinitely worse big money signing than Ramsdale.

I wasn't one of those saying it. In fact I have been quite consistent:

https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/woodburn.66503/

Personally I would have signed him on loan, and if not possible definitely not signed him at all for that amount and look at Welbeck on a free.

He's here now, he has a record of scoring goals so let's play him, induction time over.
 
So I am saying that we should have a conversation with Jack Wilshere. That's step 1.

Step 2 is actually signing him, which I'm not advocating as that depends on step 1.

Hope that makes sense?
That is literally how all transfers work.
 
My action plan going forward.

1) Do not go to four at the back- we'll get dry bummed due to the lack of a competent back four centre back partner for Egan, and the lack of athleticism and tackling ability in the middle. Ignore people calling for this lunacy.

2)Don't drop the 'keeper. He's having a decent season, especially for one so young.

3) Give Brewster more game time, even if we drop to one up top and a deeper lying forward/CAM.

4) Start Osborn at LWB. The single biggest mystery of the last 20 + games is how Osborn can play so well and not start. Maybe it's his lack of height, which of course is more pronounced with the lack of O'Connell?

5) Prioritise a left sided CB in Jan. Any hopes of survival depend on this.

6) Do not give up on the system in the long term; instead have the squad options to go 4-3-3 or to the diamond if the wide areas are locked up.The system isn't the problem, it's the primary reason behind our success.
 
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That is literally how all transfers work.

Not all transfers involve a trial first.

Ibrahimović famously turned down Arsenal by saying:

'Ibrahimović doesn't do trials'

How did we sign McGoldrick? Compare that to how we signed Brewster for example.
 
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Stegosaurus here

Ramsdale needs dropping, definitely. He is a liability.
 
Me too. Reading the rest of the thread to see if I should proceed.

Ancelotti dropping Pickford is another example.

What is it with top class managers dropping goalkeepers.... maybe it's why they are top class....
 
We really don't want Wilshere in the squad, we already have Rodwell.

Funnily enough I was thinking a while back that 'but Berge in the Champions
League against Liverpool!' had become the new 'Wilshere at the Nou Camp, as if one performance each excused any number of lacklustre displays. It might be a fun experiment to have both in the same midfield.
 
That's fine if you have a goalkeeper the calibre of Olsen to bring in. We don't. We'd be unlikley to be in that position until we'd established ourselves in the PL and paying bigger wages.

Ancelotti dropping Pickford is another example.

What is it with top class managers dropping goalkeepers.... maybe it's why they are top class....
 
That's fine if you have a goalkeeper the calibre of Olsen to bring in. We don't. We'd be unlikley to be in that position until we'd established ourselves in the PL and paying bigger wages.

Get your point, but we won't know how good Verrips is unless he plays. Everything is relative of course.

(Speaking of Olsen, would have much rather had him on loan as our first choice than sign Ramsdale for what we paid, but then that's just me)
 
Get your point, but we won't know how good Verrips is unless he plays. Everything is relative of course.

(Speaking of Olsen, would have much rather had him on loan as our first choice than sign Ramsdale for what we paid, but then that's just me)
Well I wouldn't drop Ramsdale even if we had Olsen. Plenty of top class managers don't drop their keeper. I wasn't particularly happy spending that much on a keeper, especially one who had previously been here.
 



Well I wouldn't drop Ramsdale even if we had Olsen. Plenty of top class managers don't drop their keeper. I wasn't particularly happy spending that much on a keeper, especially one who had previously been here.

What would it take then for you to drop him then?

This isn't a sadistic suggestion or punitive measure, just to experiment with Verrips and take Ramsdale out of the firing line for a couple of games.
 

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