500k for adams

[bartman]

Looks like McCabe didn't like a bloke with strong, clear ideas how to run SUFC as a football club - probably scared the hell out of him.
So it'll be back to the Blades Way.

At what point did SOD ever run Donny? It is all Ryan's plaything.

IF SOD has turned us down,does it matter? We move on to the next manager.

However,we might have turned him down. He might have wanted too much money,wanted to bring all his coaching staff in,etc.

I agree with earlier posts on several threads,I don't get this obsession with SOD. Would he really cope with the expectations of SUFC(or any club of a similar size). Pretty football(and that is debateable at times with DRFC) is not neceaasrily winning football. Especially when we havent got the players with the technical ability to play that type of game.

We need to stay up....not convices that SOD is the man to do it

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

SO'D turning us down, if indeed he did, could say more about him than us. It'll certainly be interesting to see what happens if his dream job becomes available in the next week or so. If anything, it could be our fans that are the reason he didn't fancy it.

 

[alcoblade]

Looks like McCabe didn't like a bloke with strong, clear ideas how to run SUFC as a football club - probably scared the hell out of him.
So it'll be back to the Blades Way.

Well let's hope they get your second choice then Len. Now it's on record you'll be able to really get behind the club for once if he's appointed.

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[lenners]

Well let's hope they get your second choice then Len. Now it's on record you'll be able to really get behind the club for once if he's appointed.

UTB

Like thousands and thousands of others, I'm simply not that bothered Alco.
I no longer trust McCabe to act in the best interests of SUFC as a football club.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Adams supporting United means next to nothing to me. It's simply a final nice bit of fluff. Getting 3 different clubs promoted, knowing the up and coming player pool, turning Port Vale around on a shoestring and playing nice football with seeming whole hearted supporter backing at the same time - that's presumably why the club are interested.

UTB

I keep hearing about this attractive football but I can't remember him playing it.

If we want someone playing attractive football successfully in the lower leagues then Eddie Howe should be infront of Adams.
Or are we going for a manager with "passion" what ever the fuck that means.

If Adams is appointed I already know of 8 people not renewing their season tickets because we're sticking to the Blackwell blueprint yet again.
Adams is going to have it all on just to convince the fans that he can play good attractive football while getting results in the Championship, SoD has already proven this at our level.

 

[alcoblade]

I keep hearing about this attractive football but I can't remember him playing it.

Search for the thoughts of fans of his current club - surely the best barometer of where he's at. There's no talk of hoof, just attractive, attacking, successful football.

I'm not arguing that he's a purist. Neither are 99% of managers. We don't need to move from one extreme to the other. The SOD love fest is bizarre to me, though amongst others I'd happily take him.

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[creswellblade79]

I keep hearing about this attractive football but I can't remember him playing it.

does it realy matter if we play hoofball at this moment in time has long has we stay up

 

[alcoblade]

Like thousands and thousands of others, I'm simply not that bothered Alco.
I no longer trust McCabe to act in the best interests of SUFC as a football club.

If you've lost interest in United then I can point you in the direction of some much more interesting websites... Your presence here sugests otherwise fella.

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[Flatulent_Bob]

Search for the thoughts of fans of his current club - surely the best barometer of where he's at. There's no talk of hoof, just attractive, attacking, successful football.

I'm not arguing that he's a purist. Neither are 99% of managers. We don';t need to move from one exreme to the other. The SOD love fest is bizarre to me, though amongst others I'd happily take him.

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So he plays good football at league two level. League two level at which Jack Lester is hailed as a god?

The SoD lovefest is because he has a proven record at Donny of playing good football and bringing in good talent on a limited budget while improving year on year regardless of who they let go.
We are losing fans thanks to Blackwells style and Birch has already said that needs to stop if we aren't going to have to cut the wage bill further.
Adams record at this level isn't very good baring Leicester where he had a good side and decent backing. The football has always been very direct and certainly not possession football.
Adams recent record at this level is very poor at Coventry and he's not done anything yet at Vale. If that's what we want why not appoint Eddie Howe who has played better football consistently for the past two seasons and performed better than Port Vale.

By all means have him on our radar but picking up a league one manger who has already failed at our level is hardly moving the club forward.
I hope I am proven wrong, but I will take some convincing as will quite a few season ticket holders.

 

[lenners]

If you've lost interest in United then I can point you in the direction of some much more interesting websites... Your presence here sugests otherwise fella.

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I'm still interested in United and even if I stopped going I'm sure I'd probably still read this site.
What I mean is I'm less and less interested in the bullshit that comes out of the mouths of the people who own and run our club.
I no longer believe anything they say.
I don't mind Adams but what I do mind is the bullshit they came out with about a new footballing culture and all that bollocks.
In reality, they'd be absolutely terrified of something like that which is exactly what O'Driscoll would have smelt on McCabe. Fear and bullshit.
And if it is going to be Adams, what they ferk are they doing waiting another three games to appoint him?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

does it realy matter if we play hoofball at this moment in time has long has we stay up

Yes it does matter. I'm sick of this short termist crap, we need brave decisions to be made. The academy is looking good why waste all that which a hoof manager. This is why Blackwell kept trying to change the academy and wanted "bigger" players brought in. He was wrong as is the appointment of anyone who isn't in sync with the youngsters.
Why bring in Pembo and pump money into the academy if we aren't going to use it we may as well have the money on the wage bill?

I bought into Birches idea of changing the ethos of this club from direct, limited tryer, to a proper football team with good backing who play good football. If he has changed his mind then he should go for not having the bottle for the fight. He was right this club is stuck in the 80's and needs dragging kicking and screaming into the 21st Century.
Personally I think Adams would be McCabe appointment but I would be interested in Birch's answers when asked directly at the next BIFF meeting.

 

[Micalijo]

Top stuff Robert.

Adams has had his day for me at our level (second toer not third!) and only achieved success with a Leicester side doing what Wendy are doing now a league below - ie trade insolvently and run a side they can't afford.

very foolishly I allowed me sen to believe Birch was going to get SOD, even though plenty will say Birch could have been on about anybody - I aint having that from what he said. I know this is real life nor fantasy football but Adams is the ultimate in safe option appointments. Namely, he would come for peanuts, will happily live off the loan system and has no interest in coaching young players to improve. In other words, why get rid of Blackwell? OK, hopefully Adams will be more upfront with the fans but I fail to see any major difference.

I understand that results are needed but we should easily be capable of permanent survival in this league with also the gradual introduction of youth.

To finish this ramble has anyone got any exact quotes from Birchey about changing the style of play, culture etc?

 

[mickle-blade]

I keep hearing about this attractive football but I can't remember him playing it.

If we want someone playing attractive football successfully in the lower leagues then Eddie Howe should be infront of Adams.
Or are we going for a manager with "passion" what ever the fuck that means.

If Adams is appointed I already know of 8 people not renewing their season tickets because we're sticking to the Blackwell blueprint yet again.
Adams is going to have it all on just to convince the fans that he can play good attractive football while getting results in the Championship, SoD has already proven this at our level.

Well. Port Vale looked a decent side when they played us off the park earlier in the season and did the same against that lot in S6.
Unless I imagined it, they certainly kept possession and passed it around. Not difficult against us I admit.

 

[creswellblade79]

the more i think about this the more i think both SOD and Adams are the wrong candidates for the job

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

the more i think about this the more i think both SOD and Adams are the wrong candidates for the job

Well, get used to it, according to BM, MA has been offered the job. The even better news is that he's apparently been told that he has to keep Ellis !

 

[LoughboroBlade]

The even better news is that he's apparently been told that he has to keep Ellis !

I'm shocked that Speed won't be calling on his services for his new backroom staff with Wales.

It'll be interesting if he does join to see if he'll be bringing over The Horse to pair alongside Ellis.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I want to know why Birch has changed his target. If it is because SoD isn't interested that is one thing, if it is because he had been overuled by McCabe as I suspect then I want to know what is the point having Birch run the club with the right idea if you are going to overule the most important appointment. McCabe's record on manager appointments is hardly inspiring.

As Beighton like to say "same owd".

 

[Tuns]

I want to know why Birch has changed his target. If it is because SoD isn't interested that is one thing, if it is because he had been overuled by McCabe as I suspect then I want to know what is the point having Birch run the club with the right idea if you are going to overule the most important appointment. McCabe's record on manager appointments is hardly inspiring.

As Beighton like to say "same owd".

McCabe owns the club of course he has final say and rightly so - whether he's making the wrong decision or not - that's the way organisations work.

People need a reality check about SOD. He's a half decent manager who may or may not be able to introduce a passing culture that is going to pass us to the promised land and develop average players into decent ones.

One thing I am convinced of is that part of the SOD gamble could well involve relegation this season. We have players that need a major kick up the backside and I suspect a backroom that does as well. You need to dig in with passion and commitment to get out of the sort of hole we are in. I sympathise with those that say we've had enough of that but we are in the shit and I'm really not sure whether SOD is strong enough to stop the momentum of the rot in time and whther trying to overhau; the culture of the club in the second half of the season is really sensible.

Adams has far more chance of keeping us up and I am not sure why people are getting so wound up by his brand of football when they have barely seen his teams play and just who they think we can get with a better record on promotions.

I'd accept SOD as I'd understand why the club are taking the gamble assuming they accept a year or two in League One is a price worth paying for this guy but equally I'd fully understand if they went the Adams route despite concerns over the style of football. What I don't understand is why we have dithered so long when we are in a relegation battle and time to turn it round and get prepared for the transfer window - that must be McCabe's fault.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

As I posted a few weeks ago, it's December 1999 all over again with a Blade taking over and the club in a mess. Nice to see McCabe's learnt from his mistakes.

Interesting to see what TB trots out at the unveiling.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

McCabe owns the club of course he has final say and rightly so - whether he's making the wrong decision or not - that's the way organisations work.

It is the way it works according to McCabe. He said he was putting Trev in charge to run the club, so let him run it.
If my line manager started making my decisions for me I'd ask what is the point of paying me to look like I make them.
I'd rather be held accountable for my own decisions rather than a fall guy for someone else.
I've no problem with McCabe making the big decisions, as you said he is the owner but then he can't hide behind Birch as he did earlier this season.
Don't say Birch is in charge if he isn't and don't pay a football man a massive wage if you are going to overrule his judgement calls when he is better qualified than you.

One thing I am convinced of is that part of the SOD gamble could well involve relegation this season. We have players that need a major kick up the backside and I suspect a backroom that does as well. You need to dig in with passion and commitment to get out of the sort of hole we are in. I sympathise with those that say we've had enough of that but we are in the shit and I'm really not sure whether SOD is strong enough to stop the momentum of the rot in time and whther trying to overhau; the culture of the club in the second half of the season is really sensible.

Adams has far more chance of keeping us up and I am not sure why people are getting so wound up by his brand of football when they have barely seen his teams play and just who they think we can get with a better record on promotions.

I'd accept SOD as I'd understand why the club are taking the gamble assuming they accept a year or two in League One is a price worth paying for this guy but equally I'd fully understand if they went the Adams route despite concerns over the style of football. What I don't understand is why we have dithered so long when we are in a relegation battle and time to turn it round and get prepared for the transfer window - that must be McCabe's fault.

We are talking to all the candidates on our shortlist. That is sensible and we moaned about a quick decision last time. We are interviewing all candidates and that is good, I just want to know who is making the final decision and if it isn't SoD why Birch has altered his original stance.

 

[alcoblade]

As I posted a few weeks ago, it's December 1999 all over again with a Blade taking over and the club in a mess. Nice to see McCabe's learnt from his mistakes.

Interesting to see what TB trots out at the unveiling.

Warnock / McCabe got the club off it's arse and doubled its' supporter base. What mistakes should he have learned from?

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if it isn't SoD why Birch has altered his original stance.

Because he doesn't want to come? Because we can't afford his package? What makes you suggest Birch has been overuled? He'd clearly have some parameters to work within financially. It should be McCabe's job to set them.

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[Flatulent_Bob]

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Because he doesn't want to come? Because we can't afford his package? What makes you suggest Birch has been overuled? He'd clearly have some parameters to work within financially. It should be McCabe's job to set them.

UTB

If you read back a bit I've said if SoD doesn't want to come that's fine but the club should say so.
McCabe said Birch is in charge when asked about it on the past two occasions, I just want to know who is making this decision.
The criteria that Birch said we were looking for doesn't fit Adams so if he is appointed what happened to Birch's vision of changing the club.
That is what I bought into with Birch and if Birch has changed his stance then I'd like to know why.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

We don't know if O'Driscoll was offered the job, or if he turned the job down, or if we interviewed him and decided he wasn't right for the job, or if we even interviewed him at all! The club, if they have any class will stay silent for now!

We can be pretty certain Adams will want it!

 

[LoughboroBlade]

If you read back a bit I've said if SoD doesn't want to come that's fine but the club should say so.

That's unrealistic. If he's turned us down and we announce this it would forever make the subsequent appointment look like the 2nd choice.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

That's unrealistic. If he's turned us down and we announce this it would forever make the subsequent appointment look like the 2nd choice.

I think Adams as manager of a league two side and a poor record at our level would understand not being first choice especially given Birch's original criteria about attractive football.

At the last BIFF meeting Birch said he wanted attractive football to put bums on seats, Adams record doesn't seem to fit in with this.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

That's unrealistic. If he's turned us down and we announce this it would forever make the subsequent appointment look like the 2nd choice.

See my above quote about class.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

See my above quote about class.

There's class in terms of how you treat SOD if he has indeed turned us down, but there's also class in how you treat the guy that then takes the job. It wouldn't be fair on them to come along with a label of not being first choice, and hardly maximises the amount of fan support they can expect when joining. Whoever's appointed will probably have Birch next to them saying they were 'always our first choice for the job'.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

There's class in terms of how you treat SOD if he has indeed turned us down, but there's also class in how you treat the guy that then takes the job. It wouldn't be fair on them to come along with a label of not being first choice, and hardly maximises the amount of fan support they can expect when joining. Whoever's appointed will probably have Birch next to them saying they were 'always our first choice for the job'.

Which he shouldn't say if they weren't. Adams should understand why a League 2 manager who has a poor recent record at Championship level isn't first choice compared with SoD.

 

[alcoblade]

If you read back a bit I've said if SoD doesn't want to come that's fine but the club should say so.
McCabe said Birch is in charge when asked about it on the past two occasions, I just want to know who is making this decision.
The criteria that Birch said we were looking for doesn't fit Adams so if he is appointed what happened to Birch's vision of changing the club.
That is what I bought into with Birch and if Birch has changed his stance then I'd like to know why.

But you seem agitated about something that as of now, isn't there to be agitated about.

As for who else fits the role, it will clearly be very subjective. Adams has managed in all 4 divisions, is currently managing a side looking like getting promoted playing attractive football, and has had promotions with 3 other clubs. Unless you've already set out your stance to not want him, it's difficult to see what citeria you couldn't fit him into.

I can't see the fuss re the academy link up. If the academy produces good enough players and you're constrained financially, then any manager will work with it. In any case, however significant we view the future academy setup, you can divide it by 4 to approach reality. It's really not, in itself, a tried and tested method of delivering success.

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Which he shouldn't say if they weren't. Adams should understand why a League 2 manager who has a poor recent record at Championship level isn't first choice compared with SoD.

Adams took a team up from the championship. SOD has one treading water with 7,000 fans getting nosebleeds with the excitement of it.

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Which he shouldn't say if they weren't. Adams should understand why a League 2 manager who has a poor recent record at Championship level isn't first choice compared with SoD.

Bob, you've cleared it up for me. You're pissed. "Give a warm welcome to our 2nd choice manager, Micky Adams". Everyone would understand. Really. Wibble.

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[Flatulent_Bob]

Blackwell wouldn't work with the previously academy hence why someone was sent to Hungary.

I'm agitated because I honestly feel this is a huge decision in the future of Sheffield United, it is also going to influence if I am going to find something else to do on a Saturday.
I'm not going to pay hundreds of pounds year to watch the type of crap served up by Blackwell. Birch has said we need bums on seats to maintain a decent wage bill and this isn't going to do it.
There are lot of long term season ticket holders that I know that will call it a day if we go back to Blackwell's style.
As I said it is a huge decision and if we get it wrong again by keeping on with the same type and style of manager it will take a lot of undoing.

You say Adams is playing attractive football but as I mentioned earlier it is comparative and at a level where Jack Lester is rated extremely highly.
He has consistently failed at our level and not played good football previously.

I don't want him, it's nothing personal but there are better options with better recent records. If we can't get SoD then what about Eddie Howe (promotion from League two, more than Adams, and doing well in league one). If in 3-4 years time Vale are in our league playing good football then yes I can see why you'd want him but he has done nothing to deserve this chance apart from being a Blade. Ollie, Len and Micca are Blades but I wouldn't want them anywhere near the first team.

We had years of Blackwell's style, which was well backed by the board and delivered nothing. Why not try something different and give it a go?

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Bob, you've cleared it up for me. You're pissed. "Give a warm welcome to our 2nd choice manager, Micky Adams". Everyone would understand. Really. Wibble.

UTB

Why would you mention what choice he was? Give a warm welcome to our new manager Micky Adams. The announcement about SoD not wanting to be under consideration could be made now without any major fuss.