COVID Season Ticket

[alcoblade]

I am no crackpot and don't watch David Icke like I said I am open minded not blinded by the media's agendas

Well you would have seen that news you questioned in the mainstream media, if you were open to it.

So I don’t know why you raised the question?

 

[Freethinker]

Well you would have seen that news you questioned in the mainstream media, if you were open to it.

So I don’t know why you raised the question?

There's protests every week but not shown in the mainstream news channels

 

[alcoblade]

There's protests every week but not shown in the mainstream news channels

Because it’s not newsworthy any more.

Big demonstrations are covered.

 

[Freethinker]

Because it’s not newsworthy any more.

Big demonstrations are covered.

Ok

 

[Le Cynique]

I wonder why it is that those who think they’ve worked out some massive conspiracy secret and that everyone else is a mindless zombie are generally the same people who reckon they’re open-minded?

If all this evidence that the tinfoil-hat brigade allude to was credible, confirmed and widely available, it’d be easy for them to share it and change the minds of other people.

Instead, it’s all telling other people to ‘wake up’ and avoid the MSM, like watching some nonsense on YouTube by some right-wing gammon with a video camera and too much time on their hands offers a more truthful experience.

Here’s a thing: opinions are fine. Everyone has them. Don’t confuse them with fact, though, and certainly don’t think that your opinion carries as much weight as that of someone who understands the situation far better than you do, because it doesn’t.

I don’t advocate compulsory vaccination, but I’m fully behind limiting social opportunity and interaction for those who refuse it for the greater good of society, in the same way that I’m behind banning smoking in enclosed spaces. If you don’t like it, tough shit. You live in a society that caters for the masses, not for the individual.

 

[alcoblade]

I wonder why it is that those who think they’ve worked out some massive conspiracy secret and that everyone else is a mindless zombie are generally the same people who reckon they’re open-minded?

If all this evidence that the tinfoil-hat brigade allude to was credible, confirmed and widely available, it’d be easy for them to share it and change the minds of other people.

Instead, it’s all telling other people to ‘wake up’ and avoid the MSM, like watching some nonsense on YouTube by some right-wing gammon with a video camera and too much time on their hands offers a more truthful experience.

Here’s a thing: opinions are fine. Everyone has them. Don’t confuse them with fact, though, and certainly don’t think that your opinion carries as much weight as that of someone who understands the situation far better than you do, because it doesn’t.

I don’t advocate compulsory vaccination, but I’m fully behind limiting social opportunity and interaction for those who refuse it for the greater good of society, in the same way that I’m behind banning smoking in enclosed spaces. If you don’t like it, tough shit. You live in a society that caters for the masses, not for the individual.

It’s a personality trait. Believing in 5G conspiracies, UFO’s, Big Brother, The Rothchilds.

Find someone that buys this shit, and they usually gobble up the lot, and call us gullible!

 

[bromtom]

I wonder why it is that those who think they’ve worked out some massive conspiracy secret and that everyone else is a mindless zombie are generally the same people who reckon they’re open-minded?

If all this evidence that the tinfoil-hat brigade allude to was credible, confirmed and widely available, it’d be easy for them to share it and change the minds of other people.

Instead, it’s all telling other people to ‘wake up’ and avoid the MSM, like watching some nonsense on YouTube by some right-wing gammon with a video camera and too much time on their hands offers a more truthful experience.

Here’s a thing: opinions are fine. Everyone has them. Don’t confuse them with fact, though, and certainly don’t think that your opinion carries as much weight as that of someone who understands the situation far better than you do, because it doesn’t.

I don’t advocate compulsory vaccination, but I’m fully behind limiting social opportunity and interaction for those who refuse it for the greater good of society, in the same way that I’m behind banning smoking in enclosed spaces. If you don’t like it, tough shit. You live in a society that caters for the masses, not for the individual.

If it was say, a 2 day case of the squits that was annoying but mostly harmless and only affected the UK, I'd be a bit suspicious about a vaccine that was going to be pretty much compulsory and had been developed in 12 months.

However, this is a global pandemic that's killed well over a million people. It's a kind of virus we know about so we weren't working from nothing, and the entire global scientific community has been going full tilt at it, with the full backing of every government of an affected nation as they keep glancing over at their economic projections, so I'm not surprised they've got one working in such a short time.

 

[knowsnowt]

It’s a personality trait. Believing in 5G conspiracies, UFO’s, Big Brother, The Rothchilds.

Find someone that buys this shit, and they usually gobble up the lot, and call us gullible!

Then there's us that won't have it simply because it hasn't been properly tested over a long period. If I die of covid so be it.. If I can't get into the lane so be it. If I can't fly I don't care. Etc.
If people. think I should toe the line to protect them, whilst putting my health at risk they can fuck off.
I do not trust the government one bit BTW. And they've proved many times I'm right not to.

 

[alcoblade]

Then there's us that won't have it simply because it hasn't been properly tested over a long period. If I die of covid so be it.. If I can't get into the lane so be it. If I can't fly I don't care. Etc.
If people. think I should toe the line to protect them, whilst putting my health at risk they can fuck off.
I do not trust the government one bit BTW. And they've proved many times I'm right not to.

I think you should have the vaccine. However, I’m not suggesting that you, or anti-vacc’s generally are conspiracy nuts.

I know a number of “normal” people who are concerned. I don’t get it, or agree. But they aren’t conspiracy nuts.

 

[knowsnowt]

I think you should have the vaccine. However, I’m not suggesting that you, or anti-vacc’s generally are conspiracy nuts.

I know a number of “normal” people who are concerned. I don’t get it, or agree. But they aren’t conspiracy nuts.

You'll generally find me mocking conspiritards, and I don't think the vaccine contains any tracking or mind control elements, I just don't want it till its proven I won't grow an extra bollock. Especially as I already have 5 kids.

People insisting I should have the vaccine are as bad as the conspiracy loons imo.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

You'll generally find me mocking conspiritards, and I don't think the vaccine contains any tracking or mind control elements, I just don't want it till its proven I won't grow an extra bollock. Especially as I already have 5 kids.

People insisting I should have the vaccine are as bad as the conspiracy loons imo.

But they have produced several vaccines in less than a year so what's the problem? The fact that they take 10 years to produce doesn't matter because they have thrown billions of dollars across the globe on this one speeding the process up.

Or maybe your concern is because vaccines take 10 years to validate for a good reason, to ensure there aren't any long term side effects.

 

[alcoblade]

But they have produced several vaccines in less than a year so what's the problem? The fact that they take 10 years to produce doesn't matter because they have thrown billions of dollars across the globe on this one speeding the process up.

Or maybe your concern is because vaccines take 10 years to validate for a good reason, to ensure there aren't any long term side effects.

As I understand it, the trial work undertaken for the successful vaccines has taken just as long as other previous vaccines.

It was the work that was done to develop the candidates that was so quick.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

As I understand it, the trial work undertaken for the successful vaccines has taken just as long and previous vaccines.

It was the work that was done to develop the candidates that was so quick.

How do you know what happens to your body in 5 years, 10 years time? Nobody knows because the long term study hasn't been obviously tested.

 

[alcoblade]

How do you know what happens to your body in 5 years, 10 years time? Nobody knows because the long term study hasn't been obviously tested.

Yep, as is the way with every other vaccine.

I’d trust that the science in development and testing is infinitely better than it was back in the days of Thalidomide, as it is in every other area of life.

And by refusing to take it, you are passing on the risk to others.

It just doesn’t concern me one bit. Inject away. And I’ve had COVID so it’s probably pointless.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Yep, as is the way with every other vaccine.

I’d trust that the science in development and testing is infinitely better than it was back in the days of Thalidomide, as it is in every other area of life.

And by refusing to take it, you are passing on the risk to others.

It just doesn’t concern me one bit. Inject away. And I’ve had COVID so it’s probably pointless.

Do you inject kids with a rushed vaccine?

 

[knowsnowt]

But they have produced several vaccines in less than a year so what's the problem? The fact that they take 10 years to produce doesn't matter because they have thrown billions of dollars across the globe on this one speeding the process up.

Or maybe your concern is because vaccines take 10 years to validate for a good reason, to ensure there aren't any long term side effects.

I've a deep seated fear of this government and they've proved they are not to be trusted, you only have to see the death count that includes deaths from all sorts of causes lumped under covid. They're lieing untrustworthy self serving cunts that would have no qualms fucking us over yet again. I'll literally put my life on that.
They need to kick start the economy and I believe they'll use any means possible to do so.
If you think I'm nuts and my view is irrational that's fine, but I won't be part of it.
I won't be going to the lane again either if I have to have the jab to get in.

 

[alcoblade]

Do you inject kids with a rushed vaccine?

I will be doing, yes. Though as I said earlier, I don’t believe the critical things have been rushed.

 

[knowsnowt]

How do you know what happens to your body in 5 years, 10 years time? Nobody knows because the long term study hasn't been obviously tested.

For those who don't know, Google Thalidomide.
Long term studies are essential.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I've a deep seated fear of this government and they've proved they are not to be trusted, you only have to see the death count that includes deaths from all sorts of causes lumped under covid. They're lieing untrustworthy self serving cunts that would have no qualms fucking us over yet again. I'll literally put my life on that.
They need to kick start the economy and I believe they'll use any means possible to do so.
If you think I'm nuts and my view is irrational that's fine, but I won't be part of it.
I won't be going to the lane again either if I have to have the jab to get in.

I was agreeing with you pal, maybe I need to work at my sarcasim. No way a vaccine is safe developed in under a year. If the people at risk take it (my mum will) but why vaccinate people that have virtually no risk of Covid death?

 

[knowsnowt]

I was agreeing with you pal, maybe I need to work at my sarcasim. No way a vaccine is safe developed in under a year. If the people at risk take it (my mum will) but why vaccinate people that have virtually no risk of Covid death?

I know. Its for others who will jump on my input on this.

 

[alcoblade]

For those who don't know, Google Thalidomide.
Long term studies are essential.

It’s a good warning. But also of note that people are going back more than half a century, past tens of thousands of successful drug developments, to find examples.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I know. Its for others who will jump on my input on this.

Makes no sense any of this. You do not vaccinate people that have no risk from a disease.

 

[knowsnowt]

It’s a good warning. But also of note that people are going back more than half a century, past tens of thousands of successful drug developments, to find examples.

Well yeah, given that most drugs since then have undergone long term trials.
You have people. taking "experimental" drugs whilst knowing the risks that come with doing so, but "beta testing" en mass?
I'll pass.

 

[alcoblade]

Makes no sense any of this. You do not vaccinate people that have no risk from a disease.

We have to be balance those risks against the success rate in the more elderly.

I do agree that we can mitigate most risk by targeting the vaccine - So by definition there should be a cutoff point for the balance of those risks.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

We have to be balance those risks against the success rate in the elderly.

I do agree that we can mitigate most risk by targeting the vaccine - So by definition there should be a cutoff point for the balance of those risks.

The elderly have little to lose but Quantas have just issued they will only fly people with a Covid vaccine, others will follow. I don't like where this is heading.

 

[knowsnowt]

We have to be balance those risks against the success rate in the more elderly.

I do agree that we can mitigate most risk by targeting the vaccine - So by definition there should be a cutoff point for the balance of those risks.

Thing is, people who will refuse the vaccine like myself pose no risk to those who will have it.. For your elderly nannan who cannot take it for whatever reason, we'll roxys has been shut down ages now so no risk from me there either.

 

[alcoblade]

The elderly have little to lose but Quantas have just issued they will only fly people with a Covid vaccine, others will follow. I don't like where this is heading.

Hopefully the pubs will do the same. It took me fucking ages to get served pre lockdown.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Hopefully the pubs will do the same. It took me fucking ages to get served pre lockdown.

I'll be in the car park, fetch us a pint of carling pal.

 

[Silent Blade]

My wife and I received a letter from a stranger who is a Jehovah's Witness. She was critical of the scientists regarding the pandemic and was critical of the vaccine trial so my wife shredded the letter faster than Edward Scissorhands.

 

[sitwell]

How do you know what happens to your body in 5 years, 10 years time? Nobody knows because the long term study hasn't been obviously tested.

How do you know what will happen to your body in 10 years time if you dont have the vaccine ?