I love Wilder but

[YES Blade]

If either of them had taken us from the first division to the premier league in three years and finished just outside European places in their first season in the PL, I’d hope we would refrain from calling for their heads after 9 games of a season.

But they didn’t. Are you seriously comparing Chris wilder to them?

Not what I asked, I’m simply pointing out that Silent Blade ’s Joe Mercer quote is utter bollocks.

No one is suggesting they are a better manager than Wilder, Clough, Adkins or Weir, but we can all see when there are problems.

It’s like saying I can’t point out that my car has broken down because I’m not a mechanic. If it ain’t starting there is clearly a problem!

 

[Whiston Blade]

If that’s really what you want to do, go for it.

I already have, I'm asking those who find calling for his head after 9 games unacceptable how long they'll wait for.

 

[Robboblade1889]

I already have, I'm asking those who find calling for his head after 9 games unacceptable how long they'll wait for.

So you actually seriously think he should go? That’s your prerogative as people like you keep telling us so on the flip side don’t tell people when it even if they should be calling for his head. Most of us thank god think it’s beyond crazy to call for is head but you crack in pal!

 

[nopigfansintown]

chris wilder was in for both watkins and cash before smith got involved the difference being we cant match villa with either transfer fees or salaries isnt barkely on loan at 100k a week and you must have spent 250m on transfer fees in the last 3 windows we just cant compete with clubs with multi millionaire owners but i do agree with you we should have recruited at least a couple of experienced premier league players in the last window ps is your boy grealish still throwing himself to the ground everytime he gets touched

Wilder was in for Watkins when he moved from Exeter to Brentford too. We couldn't afford him then either. We were in for Maupay last season and blown away by Brighton.

 

[nopigfansintown]

I already have, I'm asking those who find calling for his head after 9 games unacceptable how long they'll wait for.

Until next Christmas. If we're near the bottom of the Championship then serious criticism is merited (provided the Prince doesn't sell everything that moves).

 

[Revolution]

Until next Christmas. If we're near the bottom of the Championship then serious criticism is merited (provided the Prince doesn't sell everything that moves).

If we buck up a bit and go down with half a fight I would have no problem with this.

If, heaven forbid, we break Derby's record, or get close to it, I am not sure giving Wilder any more time is justified. But there is a lot of football to be played before I would make a decision.

Having said that, if we get hammered this weekend, I actually wonder whether there might be a change.

 

[Chabuddy G]

So you keep telling us! Not seen much evidence from you to say you want him to stay! All I have seen is you argue with people who don’t want him sacked it a little bit strange! If you want him to say why not say this that and the other is not good enough but I want him to stay because of this?
Now you can toddle off back to your mates on chat box and tell them you have called another one out who wants wilder to stay! All very edgy!

oh yeah right now there's loads to be positive about...

No, I'm not arguing with people who want him to stay - I'm arguing for peoples right to an opinion. Calling people cunts, cretins, or to fuck off to Hillsborough for questioning a manager who seems he might be losing touch whilst we've got 1 point from a possible 36 is a little bit much for me, so I'll stand up for their right to an opinion.

I don't need to justify myself to you, nor do I care what you think, but as of now I don't want Chris out. But if he keeps doing the same thing time and time again, setting us up negatively, insisting on playing long ball football and giving jokers like Lunny game time whilst lads willing to die for the shirt sit on the bench I suspect he's giving the Prince rather than me quite the headache. That's without even getting into the post match press conferences which are now just laboured, money excuse laden soundbites.

He isn't the same manager we've had for the 4 years previous, and he needs to find himself. Fast.

If we don't beat Derby's points total it is more embarrassing than those 6 seasons in League One piled into one. If he doesn't let the handbrake off, that's where we're heading.

 

[Chabuddy G]

Until next Christmas. If we're near the bottom of the Championship then serious criticism is merited (provided the Prince doesn't sell everything that moves).

The Prince might not have a choice since Chris has blown circa £130mil

 

[Chabuddy G]

This forum has never exactly been the high water mark when it comes to intelligence and objectivity, but this thread takes the biscuit. Some are questioning Wilder and rightly so. To those who claim this is his first blip, it isn’t (first few games in his first season when I thought calls for him to walk were ridiculous) and after Christmas the first season back in the Championship. This current malaise has been going on since the end of the ridiculous lockdown last season. Something has changed with Wilder; his approach and demeanour have been wrong for a while. Added to this are his questionable signings. He is capable of great things but will he get his mojo back? I’m not sure. Perhaps being a supporter as well as the manager is weighing too heavily on him. As it is, whether he stays or goes is not my decision, but I think it’s more than fair to speculate on his future.

Bang on.

I love the bloke to bits for the times he's given us, and I always will.
But he is the man who made me fall in love with football again, and it looks at this rate like he'll be the one to make me fall out of love with it again.

He isn't the same bloke he was up to the end of 2019. Something has changed, and it needs reverting back fast.
It's like he's been Space Jam'd with Nigel Adkins.

 

[Wards]

It's like he's been Space Jam'd with Nigel Adkins.

That's a line for the ages

 

[Joey1889]

I love Wilder because he loves us

 

[ancientblade]

Completely agree. The gaffer has looked care-worn for some time now.

Of course, in part that will be because he is in charge of a side that has lost 11 of its past 12 matches. It is inevitable that that will bear heavily on any manager, and probably even more so on Chris as a supporter of the club. Moreover, as a supporter, he'll be fully aware that the club has committed sums of money in the transfer market far in excess of anything we've ever done before. That will be weighing really heavily on his shoulders too.

The loss of the crowd has undoubtedly killed us. I said it would even before we re-started against Villa in June, albeit it is incredible that we, alone it seems, still can't come to terms with it, 19 league games later. In fact, the increasingly frequent references to the absence of fans in the players' interviews would suggest that the players have now started to wallow in it as an excuse.

I wonder whether the biggest factor in all of this and for Chris appearing to be defeated, is that he is mentally just worn out by the constant battle against superior odds. Plenty of commentators make the point that the Premier League is a relentless mental test for players and managers, as much as a physical test. Every single match, especially for teams like us, is a new and incredibly difficult test. And, because of the lockdown, that already mentally testing situation became even more intense with the games being crammed into a shorter period, allowing very little time to prepare for the next difficult examination.

The really top sides have the world class talent available to occasionally trust the players to get the job done regardless of preparation. There are no free hits for us, though. Similarly, many other clubs in the league have far superior and numerous coaching teams and resources to spread the load.

It may all have just caught up with Chris, Alan and the players. It happens. It happened to Eddie Howe and before that it happened to Wagner and Huddersfield, who just 'hit the wall' in their second season. Perhaps it's just inevitable when you're fighting against the odds every week? Perhaps, they're just mentally frazzled?

what a great post ls16 and i think your bang on with those comments your right covid and no crowds has killed us and chris is starting to look like a broken man but we just cant compete with most clubs in the prem financially especially with salaries and its no doubt frustrating the hell out of him mind also got to say the players have to take some of the blame some of them just havent performed yet this season but imo we must stick with chris wilder

 

[west_yorks_blade]

what a great post ls16 and i think your bang on with those comments your right covid and no crowds has killed us and chris is starting to look like a broken man but we just cant compete with most clubs in the prem financially especially with salaries and its no doubt frustrating the hell out of him mind also got to say the players have to take some of the blame some of them just havent performed yet this season but imo we must stick with chris wilder

It’s such a cliché to say that he is starting to look like a broken man. And I don’t think it’s got any truth in it.
He looks defensive to me and who wouldn’t having to face the usual inane questions after a really poor run? But certainly not broken. I think he’d laugh at the suggestion.

 

[Mumbo]

Because my memory and experience influence my judgment I will never call for his head.
Because of my respect for his achievements I will never call for his head.
I will instead leave it to our owner or Wilder himself to end his tenure and until that day comes
I am 100% backing Wilder and Knil.
People can sneer all they like when loyalty and dignity are mentioned and they have my sympathy they really do
but I happen to believe they are worthy cornerstones.

 

[Whiston Blade]

So you actually seriously think he should go? That’s your prerogative as people like you keep telling us so on the flip side don’t tell people when it even if they should be calling for his head. Most of us thank god think it’s beyond crazy to call for is head but you crack in pal!

If it continues I think he should go. There's 21 points available between now and 31st December, if we're not close to double figures by that point then I'd like to think the Prince is going to make a change.

 

[Bashamed]

How long do we wait until we can call for his head?

You can call for it now you just look completely ridiculous

 

[Whiston Blade]

You can call for it now you just look completely ridiculous

We'll see we won't we..

 

[Bashamed]

We'll see we won't

Well we can see already you look ridiculous

 

[Whiston Blade]

Well we can see already you look ridiculous

Keep deflecting the bigger issue

 

[Bashamed]

Keep deflecting the bigger issue

I'm not deflecting anything haha. I'm saying people calling for Wilder to be sacked are ridiculous

 

[Blade1959]

If it continues I think he should go. There's 21 points available between now and 31st December, if we're not close to double figures by that point then I'd like to think the Prince is going to make a change.

And change him with who?

 

[Whiston Blade]

And change him with who?

I've said this before, that's the Prince and his advisers job, not mine. But gut instinct say's van Winkle will come in until CW's replacement is found and then he'll move to a director of football role.

 

[Blade1959]

I've said this before, that's the Prince and his advisers job, not mine. But gut instinct say's van Winkle will come in until CW's replacement is found and then he'll move to a director of football role.

So if he decides to stick with him you will be ok with that?

 

[Bladesman]

 

[Whiston Blade]

So if he decides to stick with him you will be ok with that?

Yes, on the basis he can give reasoning as to why he's struggled so far this season, has a clear plan on how to avoid relegation and can also prove he won't be spending big money (big for us) and seeing so little in return.

 

[Robboblade1889]

oh yeah right now there's loads to be positive about...

No, I'm not arguing with people who want him to stay - I'm arguing for peoples right to an opinion. Calling people cunts, cretins, or to fuck off to Hillsborough for questioning a manager who seems he might be losing touch whilst we've got 1 point from a possible 36 is a little bit much for me, so I'll stand up for their right to an opinion.

I don't need to justify myself to you, nor do I care what you think, but as of now I don't want Chris out. But if he keeps doing the same thing time and time again, setting us up negatively, insisting on playing long ball football and giving jokers like Lunny game time whilst lads willing to die for the shirt sit on the bench I suspect he's giving the Prince rather than me quite the headache. That's without even getting into the post match press conferences which are now just laboured, money excuse laden soundbites.

He isn't the same manager we've had for the 4 years previous, and he needs to find himself. Fast.

If we don't beat Derby's points total it is more embarrassing than those 6 seasons in League One piled into one. If he doesn't let the handbrake off, that's where we're heading.

Once AGAIN who has said there is anything to be positive about at the moment? You just seem to be going round in circles counter attacking anyone who gives reasons why he shouldn't go!
He isn’t he same man? What on earth are you taking about? It’s such a lazy analogy I can’t wait to hear you say he’s lost the dressing room! You haven’t given any reasons why we should keep him though, grow a pair and admit you want him gone!

 

[Chabuddy G]

Once AGAIN who has said there is anything to be positive about at the moment? You just seem to be going round in circles counter attacking anyone who gives reasons why he shouldn't go!
He isn’t he same man? What on earth are you taking about? It’s such a lazy analogy I can’t wait to hear you say he’s lost the dressing room! You haven’t given any reasons why we should keep him though, grow a pair and admit you want him gone!

No ones giving reasons he should go, people are just questioning the decisions that have been made all year

Good god you’re hard work nobody wants the manager out, but we are entitled to ask questions without being called every name under the sun

 

[Silent Blade]

It doesn't take a genius to watch recent games and see we are rubbish. Nor does it take experience of being a football manager.

McBurnie is a £15-20m misfit and Brewster not given the chance to be played in. I dont think Wilder can buy strikers, seems pretty crap the ones he's bought so far. Goals a bit of a fundamental to the game I thought.

What you always miss out when you tell this story is that Joe Mercer got us relegated, partly as a result of his tactics and team selections.

Not this story again! I remember you quoting this story during Clough’s reign as well!

Given the number of people who daily spout the same old tedious and ill informed arm chair advice to wilder about signings, selections, tactics, leadership qualities, I for one am prepared to hear a story that may have been told 5 or 6 years ago.

Not what I asked, I’m simply pointing out that Silent Blade ’s Joe Mercer quote is utter bollocks.

No one is suggesting they are a better manager than Wilder, Clough, Adkins or Weir, but we can all see when there are problems.

It’s like saying I can’t point out that my car has broken down because I’m not a mechanic. If it ain’t starting there is clearly a problem!

You all have never played or managed at professional level. FACT

 

[YES Blade]

You all have never played or managed at professional level. FACT

Do you need to be a professional footballer to work out that being bottom of the league after 9 matches with only 1 point is shit?

 

[west_yorks_blade]

You all have never played or managed at professional level. FACT

Agreed - I was actually defending you ...