If we were to change formation... what would best suit our current squad?

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There has been a lot of discussion about how adaptable our players might or might not be to a change in formation. We have been hugely successful from the innovative 3-5-2 (and variants) that we have employed in recent years, and whilst I am not advocating consigning it to the history books, I do wonder if we should at least try something different.

Many seem to think that we would struggle with a back 4, especially with JOC out. Presumably this is because Bash couldn't cope as a lone RCB, and because Egan isn't versatile enough to play at LCB. Whilst there may be an argument to made here, personally I think that is disingenuous to both of those players. But taking those concerns on board, how could we fashion a system that is versatile enough to support a back 4 when needed, but also give us some more oomph going forward?

For me, 2 players jump out as being key to helping this transition. Firstly Amapadu, due to his ability to play in both defense and midfield and secondly Burke, due to his versatility to play down the whole right flank of the field, and as a supporting striker.

Then thinking about some of our other players, I turn to Berge. The more I see of him, the more I think he is better going forward than he is sitting. He is very hard to knock off the ball and is deceptively silky when on it. Whilst he can put in a tackle, I think his strength is driving forward , pulling players out of position and trying to create chances.

Norwood, for me he has to play. I recognise some of his defensive frailties, but he is still the best player in the squad at long range passing and from dead ball situations. I just think he gives us an element of control that no one else does in his position.

McG is still one of the most skillful players we have, but I don't see him as a striker. He is a CAM or No.10 who can work between the lines, out trick a player here and there and track back to defend when needed.

So with all that in mind, how do we fit the above players in and find a more versatile formation?

Here is a suggestion, it can be 4-5-1, or 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, depending on what we need to do.




---------------------------Rammers----------------------------

Baldock-----------Basham-------Egan--------------Stevens

-------------------Norwood-------Ampadu-------------------

-----------------------------Berge------------------------------

----------Burke-------------------------------------------------

---------------------------------------------McG---------------

---------------------------Brewster----------------------------


Burke would player in deepish RAM position, bombing forward with Berge in support when possible, but he has the legs and energy to drop back and help plug the gaps that Norwood can't fill.

Ampadu has a lot on his plate here. He needs to look after Norwood, and try to prevent any 2 on 1s, as well as dropping back to make a back 3 when defending crosses or sitting off. Again, he has the energy, and I think the intelligence to handle this.

Brewster has to work as a lone striker, but he will have McG linking with him, Burke stretching the lines and Burge getting up to support as much as possible. The formation probably means less attacking from our full backs, but on current form it's probably not a bad thing.
 
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Agree it needs changing up and you’re right Ampadu is the key to it. You can set up on the field of play as though we are playing the same formation with Ampadu in the back 3, then not long after the start of the game let him drift into midfield for the games where we think we are going to have a tad more of the ball and we can go to a back 4. Some teams won’t expect this at the start and it’s at the very least a variation we can use in some games, we have to be able to adapt more and Ampadu must play for us to be able to do this.
 
I don't really think we have the personnel to play with wingers, and any wingerless formation other than our current 352 (or a 3412) would involve a detrimental lack of width.

We need a creative spark, for sure, but I do like the idea of what Wilder wanted to try today with Stevens at LCB and Lowe at LWB - could see this being very productive in terms of attacking overloads, if CW persists with it. In midfield, I think Fleck, Norwood and Berge should, as a combination, have a fair bit of creativity in it, but we've yet to see those 3 start together this season. I'm just not sure dramatic changes are the way to go, personally
 
Sorry Stretch I really don't think that line up would win a single point in the PL.
With our injury woes the only questions that need asking are "is there a place for Ampadu and/or Bogle in the back 8?"
And "who plays as our strikers?"
I'm going to sound like a bust record (or Gosub without Return) here when I say, for now Sharp needs to start, whether it's with McG, Burke or Brewster (although I'd like to see Brewster introduced more gradually and not just when we are chasing games).
For now I'd go:
Ramsdale (gods sake don't let him get injured)
Baldock - Bash - Egan - Ampadu - Stevens
Berge - Norwood - Osborn
McG - Sharp

More importantly when players are wasted get them substituted!
I'd also like to see Burke using his speed to get round the back (later in the game) and slide crosses in for the strikers.
McB needs time on the bench. Use at least 4 strikers a game to mix it up and replace them one at a time not as a pair.
 
We don’t need to change our starting formation radically (dude). The problem is that the players aren’t performing well enough; fix that, and then we see if “they’ve found us out” is also an issue, but I’m not sure it is.

What we do need is a working plan B (and C). Yes, we got a point yesterday, but “wait until we are losing and then take off our best defender for a striker” isn’t really cutting it.

Figuring out how to get the best out of Berge wouldn’t hurt either. So maybe a midfield reshuffle might be in order, but getting them confident and performing together is the key.
 
Based on who's currently available

----------------------Ramsdale
-----------Basham----Egan----Ampadu
Baldock------------Norwood------------Stevens
---------Berge-----------------Osborn-------
------------------McGoldrick------------------
------------------ Brewster-------------------

4 at the back won't happen but putting it out there, even allows us to play an old fashioned 4-4-2 if we wanted
---------------------Ramsdale
Baldock------Ampadu---------Egan-------Stevens
----------------Berge---------Norwood
---------Burke---------McGoldrick-------Osborn
-----------------Brewster/McBurnie
 
----------------------Ramsdale
-----------Basham----Egan----Ampadu
Baldock------------Norwood------------Stevens
---------Berge-----------------Osborn-------
------------------McGoldrick------------------
------------------ Brewster-------------------
This, mostly. With a couple of caveats:

-I worry about Norwood and teams getting in behind him. I'd potentially stick Ampadu in there for his ability to pick up runners, especially against better teams. That means I'd be back to having Stevens at LCB and Lowe at LWB
-Lunny had a really good first half yesterday and is offering more than Osborn IMO
 
Just bring back the overlap, stop doing crap sideways and backwards passing. Also do a goal.
 
Ampadu passing range is every bit as good as Norwoods. Check out Spurs v Leipzig in the champions league. Norwood’s lack of mobility is killing us out of possession.
 
robinson cant play the attacking cb when he is up front it looks cumbersome yes he won the pen but bash joc egan they look majestic going forward
 
Ramsdale
Bogle - Bash - Egan - Stevens - Lowe
Berge - Ampadu - Osborn
Didsy - Brewster

Lets be honest - on current form its a free hit vs Liverpool so try a few new things.
 



Replace Fleck in this with Lowe and add Stevens at LB.
 

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The only other option for us is to go back to playing with some form a number 10 behind the strikers.

Didsy is the only player than can really do that.

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Really not sure why CW hasn't gone back to his initial idea when we gained promotion of going with 2 10's as IMO this should aid both our forward play and keep us relatively solid in the middle.

...............................Rambo................................
......................Bash Egan Stevens..................
Baldock Berge Norwood/Amadu Lowe
.................Burke.............. Didzy......................
......................Brewdog/McB...........................
 
It’s not the formation it’s the players ... Wilder needs to go with the new signings from now on for a stint barring injury.

Bogle in for Baldock
Lowe (when back) for Stevens
Ampadu
Brewster

I’m all for loyalty but the old guard have had their chance now.

hopefully doing that will give us a bounce and ignite the flame in those pushed out.

it’s like sleep walking in to the abyss at the minute.
 
The only other option for us is to go back to playing with some form a number 10 behind the strikers.

Didsy is the only player than can really do that.

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Than take Basham off for Sharp, I think I'd rather this be Plan B.

You take off the most knackered of the midfield 3, possibly even two of them and you put on a second striker, drop McGoldrick into the Duffy role and possibly even bring Ampadu on to shore up the defensive side.

My Plan A starting defence would be how Chris started the game before Lowe got a knock.

For Plan C, then instead of a back 3 and overlaps, you have Basham and Egan as the defenders and Ampadu as a slightly more advanced 3rd centre back in the DM role, behind a midfield 3, allowing you to potentially have a fair few bodies in the middle. Ideally pace up top, maybe Brewster and Burke.

Alternative to this, Plan D now, we drop the player of the year, play Ampadu alongside Egan, have Berge in front and then a midfield 3 of Lundstram-Norwood-Osborn.

All this of course discounts Plan E, when we are chasing, instead of removing run-all-day Basham, we remove one of the #blowingoutoftheirarse midfielders in favour of a striker and push Bash into midfield.
 

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