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I really enjoyed the promotion season, and I enjoyed last season till it got derailed. But I can't stand the grubbiness of the PL, where literally the only thing that seems to matter is money and power, and how those who have it just want more. I suppose it reflects society and government, but I like football to escape from that.
Sorry to ramble on (not even been drinking!), and to take such a long time to say that this is a shite idea, solely about making the obscenely rich even richer, and then expecting everyone to applaud when they chuck a few crumbs to the poor.

I was just thinking the same earlier, & could not have put it better. Ipswich at home that season was just fantastic!

I've already decided not to renew sky sports next year, I will go back to snatch of the day!
 

I was just thinking the same earlier, & could not have put it better. Ipswich at home that season was just fantastic!

I've already decided not to renew sky sports next year, I will go back to snatch of the day!
Tell the clubs in the bottom two leagues that this is a “shite idea” before they start to disappear.
Yes it is money grabbing greed at the top, but we cannot allow large parts of our football heritage to disappear.
A sensible compromise has to be found quickly.
 
I note that the supporters’ groups at Liverpool and Man U, as well as at the other 4 clubs in the proposed cabal, have expressed their opposition to this tawdry plan. And to be fair to the supporters at Man U and Liverpool, it must be acknowledged that they have despised their scumbag US owners, for years.

As we know, both clubs have been run by these US owners on the basis of being loaded up with enormous debt, hence the continual need to generate more and more money for themselves.

I note also that a number of PL clubs have already pinned their colours in opposition to this racket. What would be nice is if the owner of Man City - who doesn’t have to run his club on debt and who has the wealth to buy Man Utd lock, stock and barrel and turn Old Trafford into a car park if he so wished - went public in opposition to the Yanks.

That’s probably too much to hope for, though; Man City’s owner might be quite attracted by the idea of closing the shop on someone with comparable wealth, such as Saudis, coming into a club and competing with what he does.
 
My fear, since the lockdown, is that the money people would discover that they didn't need fans, for the 'product' to be saleable. I have no idea what the viewing figures for TV have been since the lockdown but anecdotal evidence seems to suggest it has made no difference. I fear the days of a football club being part, a vital part, of the community are gone. I spoke to a neutral sports fan who does not understand the tribal aspect of football support; he said these proposals make sense to him and the sooner we go to the franchise and draft system of the NFL, the better. I think that says it all.
These proposals are being dressed up and garnished with elements that will be good for the game, namely the £250Million for the EFL etc. If people are blindsided by that then they deserve all they get. Personally, I don't like what the game has become, even though we are at the top. If this crap goes through, my dislike will become hate and I will move on to something else.
 
The Glazer's performed a hostile take over of Manchester United at a time when they were the most dominant club (by a country mile) in the most popular league on the planet. It was a team stuffed full of star players, who would walk into any club on the planet, led by one of the greatest managers of all time.

When they arrived at Old Trafford after the take over, they were met with police holding back protestors who were chanting "Die, Glazer, Die". The "Love United Hate Glazer" campaign has existed within the fanbase ever since the takeover. A breakaway club was formed as a direct response to the takeover.

The total amount of debt (secured against the assets of Manchester United) was £660 million, with annual interest payments of £62 million. The debt has been refinanced several times.

In 2015 it was reported that the Glazer's had drained more than £1 billion from Manchester United's funds, costing them domination of the Premier League and Europe, and that this figure would continue to rise.

They appointed David Moyes to follow Sir Alec Ferguson. They appointed Ole Gunnar Solskjær.

In their last game, Manchester United (the most dominant team in English football in the past 30 years) lost 6-1 at home. How many of their players would now walk into the Liverpool squad? or Manchester City? or Real Madrid? or PSG?

These people (perhaps the most disastrous owners of any of the super clubs?) now want the power of veto over who can own other EPL teams!!!

Fuck it! Why stop there? Why not make Harold Shipman Health Secretary while we're at it?
 
We've all known there's corruption in our football for years despite the finger pointing at other countries whilst portraying ourselves as whiter than white.

Where there's obscene amounts of money to be made then it naturally follows.

For years I've listened to fans saying they're falling out of love with the game and thought nah, you couldn't have been that in love with it in the first place.

This last few weeks in particular has seen me start to realise I don't feel quite the same. Under normal circumstances I'd be getting keyed up for the weekend thinking about how important the Fulham game is. As it stands I'm not even sure I'm willing to pay the £15 to watch it.

There is currently zero chance of us returning to the Lane. It's clear the Gvt have no plan whatsoever outside of hanging everything on a vaccine.

It's abundantly clear that the fear campaign has allowed things to never be remotely the same again as a huge number of people are willing to see so much disintegrate.

Whilst many of us will find the coming years increasingly difficult and unpalatable, the already rich will just see it as an opportunity to ride roughshod over the rest.
 
Henry Winter sums up the feeling against American franchise owners and their blatant power grab in excellent article below. To think we were destined for similar owners if KM had won the Court case.

Yes, English football needs leaders – but not mercenary opportunists like Joel Glazer and John W Henry

Henry Winter
Chief Football Writer
Monday October 12 2020, 5.00pm, The Times

Yes, Joel Glazer, I saw you. I saw your contempt for English fans. I was there outside the main entrance at JJB Stadium in Wigan on May 11, 2008. I was chatting to Manchester United supporters an hour and 20 minutes before kick-off, genuine football people whose life revolves around this great club you’re privileged to own, proper football souls who care for the greatest game as well as their beloved club. And you swept past, smiling smugly.

Yes, Joel, I saw you, you ambitious ruler of the English game. I saw your bouncers pushing United fans out of the way, your fans. I saw your look, your sense of self-entitlement. I saw how out of touch you were with English football, the passion, the flaws, the glory, and you still are. As now, I saw then that you don’t understand the responsibility of being guardian of Manchester United, the absolute honour, and the opportunity for leadership for club and sport. You’re not fit to spend a second in the distinguished company of Sir Alex Ferguson and Sir Bobby Charlton, legends who have given so selflessly to club and sport.

We know your game, Joel. Your game is simple, fistfuls of dollars. Fair enough. Money’s your business, turning sport into business, into dollars. Sadly, you don’t have any emotional connection with United. Your game is the Bucs and the bucks.

But hear this: we don’t want Joel Glazer running English football. Fans, government, clubs don’t want the representative of a family who have taken almost £1 billion out of Manchester United deciding who is a fitting owner of another club, deciding how much other clubs should receive in broadcast money, restricting opportunity for those wanting to challenge him and his Gang of Six in this disgraceful, doomed “Project Big Picture”.

Welcome to English football: behind closed shops? No chance. We’ll fight the cabal. We don’t want Joel Glazer, or John W Henry at Liverpool, deciding that two places are to be cut permanently from the vibrant, competitive Premier League, that two places are to be cut permanently from the historic, passionately supported EFL?

Who are the leaders? Not you. “The fact that our two greatest clubs are showing leadership at a time when the game is crying out for it is fantastic,” Rick Parry, chairman of the EFL, told the Daily Telegraph. Parry’s right, the game is crying out for leadership, but not the type of commercial opportunism masked as altruism from Glazer and Henry.

Where have all the real footballing leaders gone? The men and women who thought of the interests of their sport first, themselves second? The people not seduced by the power, the inflating of their egos and, occasionally, bank balances? Where are those like David Dein and David Sheepshanks? Owners and administrators who cared.

Richard Scudamore kept the 20 Premier League owners in a line, which Richard Masters has failed to. Adam Crozier was a leader of the FA, too strong for the internal politics, but an undeniable leader. Ian Watmore walked away from the FA, exasperated by the agendas. English football is too riven with self-interest. Gordon Taylor at the PFA loves the game, genuinely, but fails to lead properly, sadly.

So a message to Glazer and Henry as you try to seize leadership of English football. Some humility, please, some respect for this great game, for this footballing country that nursed into life and codified this wonderful pastime that already provides you with such profits.

Please, some acknowledgment that fortunes, footballing and financial, fluctuate. Special status? How entitled you are. Know your history. Big six? Leicester and Leeds have won the title since Spurs have. Villa have won the European Cup more than City, Arsenal and Spurs. This is not to decry any of those magnificent clubs, simply to apply the big picture.

So, Joel and John, you don’t offer the leadership English football craves, the sense of financial probity and community. They do exist within football. I’d trust Mark and Nicola Palios at Tranmere Rovers and Steve Lansdown at Bristol City to lead the EFL better than Parry. Port Vale’s Carol Shanahan would represent and work better for the EFL than Parry; she cares for her club and community, and runs a hugely successful business.

I’d trust Matthew Benham at Brentford to do a better job with the maths than Parry, who is trying to sell football’s soul for £3.5 million a club. I’d trust Tony Bloom at Brighton to get the figures right without wronging anybody. I’d trust Clive Nates at Lincoln City, Andy Holt at Accrington Stanley and Simon Sadler at Blackpool to be more in tune with balance sheets and fans’ concerns than Parry.

I’d trust Aiyawatt Srivaddhanaprabha, Leicester’s owner, and his principled chief executive, Susan Whelan, to run the Premier League with more savvy and empathy than Glazer and Henry. I’d trust Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens at Villa more than Glazer and Henry; they understand dreams, studious investment, striving to challenge the elite, pushing against the door that Glazer and Henry want to close.

I’d trust Andrea Radrizzani at Leeds to do a better job on broadcast rights than Glazer and Henry, sharing the riches around, appreciating the importance of competition. I’d trust Steve Parish at Crystal Palace to do the right thing when it counted, to think of the greater good.

I’d trust Delia Smith and Michael Wynn-Jones as proper stewards of the national game than Parry. They’re not into Norwich City for the possibility of profit; just the opposite, it has cost them. And how the EFL misses a smart mind and big heart like Dean Hoyle, who has stood down at Huddersfield Town. Now there’s a man with a moral compass. His sons worked in the club shop, he broke down with emotion when his beloved Town were promoted at Wembley, and was so concerned about local children that he established breakfast clubs to feed the needy.

So Parry is right: English football does need a reset, but not dictated by those whose start, middle and end is the bottom line. Not Glazer and Henry. English football needs leaders who care for all, but also possess the financial expertise to make the sport a viable business. For years, it has been tottering towards the “cliff-edge” as Parry calls it, and is now teetering.

Proper leaders, those with a real big picture, would have reined in the ludicrous wages, making them more performance-related. Proper leaders would have confronted the unconscionable, extravagant, multi-layered system of paying agents.

This is not a plea to retreat down memory lane, finding sanctuary in the iron-fist Fifties leadership of Alan Hardaker, the Football League secretary who protected convoys on brave Royal Navy duty during the War, who played for Hull, who fought for his sport. It is about tapping into the intellectual property that exists in football, in the minds of Shanahan, Whelan, and the cerebral Palios couple, and working as a collective to sort English football’s myriad ills, to bring the real leadership, not the greed of a Joel Glazer. We know what you’re doing, Joel.
 
The Glazer's performed a hostile take over of Manchester United at a time when they were the most dominant club (by a country mile) in the most popular league on the planet. It was a team stuffed full of star players, who would walk into any club on the planet, led by one of the greatest managers of all time.

When they arrived at Old Trafford after the take over, they were met with police holding back protestors who were chanting "Die, Glazer, Die". The "Love United Hate Glazer" campaign has existed within the fanbase ever since the takeover. A breakaway club was formed as a direct response to the takeover.

The total amount of debt (secured against the assets of Manchester United) was £660 million, with annual interest payments of £62 million. The debt has been refinanced several times.

In 2015 it was reported that the Glazer's had drained more than £1 billion from Manchester United's funds, costing them domination of the Premier League and Europe, and that this figure would continue to rise.

They appointed David Moyes to follow Sir Alec Ferguson. They appointed Ole Gunnar Solskjær.

In their last game, Manchester United (the most dominant team in English football in the past 30 years) lost 6-1 at home. How many of their players would now walk into the Liverpool squad? or Manchester City? or Real Madrid? or PSG?

These people (perhaps the most disastrous owners of any of the super clubs?) now want the power of veto over who can own other EPL teams!!!

Fuck it! Why stop there? Why not make Harold Shipman Health Secretary while we're at it?
Not sure I completely agree with this.

They took on moyes at the recommendation of Sir Alex.

They took on LVG and Mourinho, two of the most successful club managers around and financed them to the tune of 700m.

It's a bit of a fallacy, yeah the Glazers might have taken cash out....just like any directors would from a comapny they owned, but people act like they've not actually spent anything.

Lets have a look at who they've bought in this period.

Under moyes:

Spent 77m, recouped 0.

Van Gaal.

Spent 350m, recouped 150m.

Mourinho

Spent 470m, recouped 120m

Solskjaer

Spent 300m, recouped 90m.

Probably (Man City aside), the greatest net spend of any premier league club.
 
My fear, since the lockdown, is that the money people would discover that they didn't need fans, for the 'product' to be saleable. I have no idea what the viewing figures for TV have been since the lockdown but anecdotal evidence seems to suggest it has made no difference. I fear the days of a football club being part, a vital part, of the community are gone. I spoke to a neutral sports fan who does not understand the tribal aspect of football support; he said these proposals make sense to him and the sooner we go to the franchise and draft system of the NFL, the better. I think that says it all.
These proposals are being dressed up and garnished with elements that will be good for the game, namely the £250Million for the EFL etc. If people are blindsided by that then they deserve all they get. Personally, I don't like what the game has become, even though we are at the top. If this crap goes through, my dislike will become hate and I will move on to something else.
I couldn't agree more. The last real game I saw us play was against Norwich back in March. The others have been a mirage. If it carries on this way for much longer I will be joining you in moving on.
 

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Isn’t this money just the parachute payments they won’t have to make?
Exactly. Taking the money of the relegated clubs, bribe/blackmail the EFL (£250m and FA £100m) and at the same time make it more difficult for the relegated clubs to get back.

No cost to them and gain all the power.

Who do they think they are to put this plan forward and offer everybody else’s money without even consulting the rest of the Premier League?

I despise them.
 
Football as we have known it is finished.
This is surely what was to be expected once the Premiership League was created. The Premier League has only ever been about money. It was always a very bad idea. Where is the European Super League when we need it?
Those fantastic footballing six, and their long suffering preferential friends, can go and play with themselves there and leave the rest of us to enjoy proper football without the grubby, money grabbing hands of those "elite" clubs fingering their prawn sandwiches.
 
There’s some stuff in there I’d be quite happy with. Extra cash to the EFL, scrapping the community shield and EFL trophy, wage caps, scrapping parachute payments (even though that may harm us). But the rest, and in particular the power-grabbing nature of the big clubs, designed to widen the inequalities in the league, make any of the ok suggestions totally unpalatable. They know some EFL clubs are desperate and want to use it as an opportunity to get through their plans. It’s a bizarre world where I’m having to respect West Ham (one of “the would-be 9”) for not getting on board with this.
 
There seems many Liverpool and Man Utd fans disgusted by it, as well as Arsenal but the owners are as interested in Sangsit in Kuala Lumpur as they are in Gary in Stretford whose had a season ticket for 50 years.
 
Not allowing fans to attend is exactly what Liverpool and Newton Heath want. As long as the government pussy foot around the issue more and more clubs will be increasingly desperate for the funds. Some clubs issuing statements offering full support for it over the last couple of days. Full blown corruption and manipulation at the top, not even just within the circles of football.
 
In their last game, Manchester United (the most dominant team in English football in the past 30 years) lost 6-1 at home. How many of their players would now walk into the Liverpool squad? or Manchester City? or Real Madrid? or PSG?

Rashford, Pogba, Martial, Maguire, De Gea, Cavani and Fernandes?
 
The Football Supporters Association has today described Project Big Picture as a “sugar-coated cyanide pill”.

 
This is a naked power grab. Dangle the carrot of a £250 million "moral" intervention and henceforth control the English game for eternity. This could be given purely based on future top flight revenues, over the length of the current TV deals; over an indeterminant period of time, hardly making a ripple to the current teams or this or next year's payout. It is not a great benevolent act, or huge short term sacrifice on behalf of the current clubs in the the Premier League. If enacted changes will all be in favour of the nine teams with special privileges - even more so in favour of the big six. Changes on top of the original plan will probably be done piecemeal in order to quieten down dissenters, but, in the end, we'll be left with a Spanish style game in which the big six become like the Real Madrid and Barcelona of English football. The TV deals will be divided largely between the big six, who will completely dominate the English football pyramid in a way that makes the status quo look like egalitarianism. Anybody outside of the top six will struggle to sustain themselves, and many clubs will go bust post Covid - the landscape of English football will have irrevocably changed. I'm loathe to bring politics into a football discussion, but if you look at the way the UN works, the Americans veto has meant they have effectively run the system even in votes in which they are massively outnumbered. This is no different. It's a battle for the soul of English football, and it's viability in the structure that it has existed in almost since its inception.The structure let's not forget that allowed this incredible wealth to be generated. They want the whole pie, not just most of it anymore...
By the way: If the logic they've extended for Everton, West Ham United and Southampton was extended to the 18 most consistent Premier League teams, United and Wednesday would be part of the elite junta. Funny that, eh? If this comes to pass, that's me done with football after 22 years as a season ticket holder.

Teams with the most top flight seasons: https://www.myfootballfacts.com/england_footy/football-league/seasons-in-top-flight/
Could not have put it better.There's a carrot for desperate league clubs to grasp hold of but in years to come they will regret it.The big six will even have a say to who owns other clubs and who can't .Scrapping cup games so the big clubs can concentrate on Europe while the life lines for smaller clubs who rely on cup games to help out finances is cut .Making the Prem smaller will mean even more money for the big six to share amongst them selves making them even more money.Along with the unequal voting system they want will mean they will dictate to every other club the rules they will set out which will of course will be loaded in their favour .
We all agree the league clubs need help in these times and the prem should help but these proposals will be at the expense of all other clubs while not effecting their wallets.While ever they can spend 80 million on players and pay them 300.000 pounds a week they have a bloody cheek asking others to forfeit their earnings while pretending to be helping out our smaller clubs.The gap between most of the prem and the big six would become a chasme which would be impossible to breach but of course that's just what they want. What would be next?Bringing their own refs on the coach with them?Somtimes I think that may be happening already or maybe they just allow them to operate VAR. I am like a few more starting to fall out with footy which has been my favourite sport for more than half a century and it is down to money grabbing greedy guys who have taken it over.No longer a working guys past time which is such a great shame.
 
The Football Supporters Association has today described Project Big Picture as a “sugar-coated cyanide pill”.

I think that describes it perfectly.
 
I note that the supporters’ groups at Liverpool and Man U, as well as at the other 4 clubs in the proposed cabal, have expressed their opposition to this tawdry plan. And to be fair to the supporters at Man U and Liverpool, it must be acknowledged that they have despised their scumbag US owners, for years.

I'm not sure the Liverpool fans hate their current owners, probably the opposite. I know they hated their previous Yank owners but these have brought them their current successes. The Glazers on the other hand are about as liked in Manchester as Thatcher was in Liverpool.

That’s probably too much to hope for, though; Man City’s owner might be quite attracted by the idea of closing the shop on someone with comparable wealth, such as Saudis, coming into a club and competing with what he does.

Hit the nail on the head there IMO. Whilst I'm not sure the Man City owner is that bothered about the rest of the issues I'm quite sure he likes the idea of being able to veto any takeover that potentially threatens their position.

In their last game, Manchester United (the most dominant team in English football in the past 30 years) lost 6-1 at home. How many of their players would now walk into the Liverpool squad? or Manchester City? or Real Madrid? or PSG?

Fernandes is about the only one I can think of at present. Possibly Pogba if he can be bothered but that's not very often these days. Barring those two I'm struggling. Rashford and Martial would probably make their benches and I'm sure Greenwood, if he continues to develop at his current rate, would probably be a shoein in a few years but it's a million miles away from when probably 5/6/7 of their players would pretty much walk into any team in Europe.
 

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