Stadium and facilities redevelopment post KMC

[Rochdaleblade]

I don't get the people on this thread saying we would never fill a bigger ground. No teams fill their grounds every week. Arsenal, the Manchester clubs, even the two Spanish giants have plenty of spare seats most weeks. The fact that there are lots of people (including myself) who cannot get into bdtbl every game suggests that some expansion is necessary.

 

[Inter_blade83]

Said it before a million times and I'll say it again, there's no need for Bramall Lane to be any bigger than it currently is.

A 32,000 capacity is about right for a club of our stature.

The rebuilding or extending of any stand is just pie in the sky unless the club significantly moves forward.

Let's talk about a new Kop in about 10 years if we're still in the Premier League and are playing European football.

Bollocks. Season tickets were sold out. If you are selling out season tickets you need more seats.

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

Said it before a million times and I'll say it again, there's no need for Bramall Lane to be any bigger than it currently is.

A 32,000 capacity is about right for a club of our stature.

The rebuilding or extending of any stand is just pie in the sky unless the club significantly moves forward.

Let's talk about a new Kop in about 10 years if we're still in the Premier League and are playing European football.

“ A club of our stature”

So that’s it then. We should never try to improve our stature, never try to grow the club?

We’ll always be a club of the stature we are now unless we do something about it.

Otherwise we stand still which is something Chris Wilder has made clear he won’t stand for.

Clubs grow and evolve. Leeds were once a a club of a certain stature but they got a manager who pushed them forward, much like ours.

Other clubs have done similar and grown into the clubs they are today.

They didn’t accept they were a club who could only go so far and neither should we.

 

[Jinxy1966]

With slow TV being a thing these days the club has missed out on not having a live stream of the paint drying being streamed online. Money to be made from that!

The pigs patented watching paint dry a long time ago.
They must use quick drying stuff at the sty though cos the fans usually fuck off after 45 minutes.

 

[Kenilworth]

Just popped down, they work bloody quickly...

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Outstanding work Brommers.
Just outstanding

 

[Sean Thornton]

I understand what you are saying, there is no point in building a vanity project that doesn’t increase revenue, but clearly just by looking at the stadium developments such as Spurs or even the new stadiums in the USA that it can be done and with a reasonable return on investment.

My view is we need to forget the current plans, we need a plan for the whole of Bramall Lane which includes all 4 stands.

We currently don’t have corporate facilities on the Lane End, that’s revenue we’re missing out on. John Street is 24 years old now, that’ll be getting ready to be rebuilt sooner rather than later. That’s why I think the pitch needs moving towards Shoreham Street/Cherry Street to increase our options for development.

We could get to a point where we’ve got a modern 40k stadium with excellent facilities throughout, but if we constantly look at short term cheap options we’ll never get there.

We really need to stop comparisons with Spurs. To start with it wasn’t a development or redevelopment of WHL, it was a complete rebuild.

Building bars etc? Clubs put bars and food outlets out to tender so reducing possible stock losses. How many days a year will they be operational? That’s like the Pig who said Chansiri should buy all the takeaways, chip and sandwich shops around the Sty as “they were all really busy on match days”.

In any event. Money. The business plan will need to be positive. The South Stand nearly killed us. The Income money levels are hugely different but so are the costs. Consolidate first.

 

[metalblade]

Bollocks. Season tickets were sold out. If you are selling out season tickets you need more seats.

Don't fall for the bait PeterNdlovu081 will always talk us down if he can.

 

[JJBlade]

I don't get the people on this thread saying we would never fill a bigger ground. No teams fill their grounds every week. Arsenal, the Manchester clubs, even the two Spanish giants have plenty of spare seats most weeks. The fact that there are lots of people (including myself) who cannot get into bdtbl every game suggests that some expansion is necessary.

My thoughts exactly in my earlier post
No club has a tradition of filling a larger stadium until they increase the capacity

Where the F@ck have 55,000 West Ham fans come from ? They have never had a tradition of getting that many in their entire history
Same with many clubs who couldn't sell out their ramshackle old stadiums with poor views and poor facilities.

There will always be some spare seats in every single stadium, this is made worse at Bramall Lane by the stupid one ticket per person policy.
When 50,000 people want 30,000 tickets, then you can make it one ticket per person, but not when there is an average of 2,000 empty bleedin seats

The attitude is "Well, if they want a ticket all they have to do is get one"

But we are talking about people who are not diehard fans, they might have never been before, they might be people who have given up on the club years ago but now want to come back, they are definitely people without a history of regularly coming to the games otherwise we'd never have had anything other than 32,000 in the stadium for every match.
These people are not going to buy a single ticket, sit on their own, and feel alien to the place when somebody tells them to "sit the fuck darrn" at the first sight of any excitement.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Regardless on whether building a new kop will bring significant financial gain or not, the main issue is that the kop isn't fit for purpose, for a Premier League club. To be honest it's not even at Championship standard. Adding a few seats onto what's already there doesn't solve this problem. It looks a mess from the outside (not a great first impression to potential investers or players), the facilities are a joke and reassemble what you'd see at non league clubs, If you're short you can't see when supporters stand up and if you're tall you're rubbing your knees with the chair in front for 90 minutes. There are also far too many restricted views that prevent the stand and ground selling out. The kop let's the stadium and supporters down, trying to justify leaving it as it is because it won't bring in much money (after getting over £120m+ each year from being in the Premier League), sounds borderline cruel to me! I hope the prince doesn't think like the accountants on here and has plans to sort that mess of a stand out in the very near future.

 

[Sean Thornton]

West Ham had a huge ST waiting list. Hardly surprising their attendances increased. It’s hardly been a secret.

Have you jumped back on the PL bandwagon or are you still golfing?

 

[Kanye]

Regardless on whether building a new kop will bring significant financial gain or not, the main issue is that the kop isn't fit for purpose, for a Premier League club. To be honest it's not even at Championship standard. Adding a few seats onto what's already there doesn't solve this problem. It looks a mess from the outside (not a great first impression to potential investers or players), the facilities are a joke and reassemble what you'd see at non league clubs, If you're short you can't see when supporters stand up and if you're tall you're rubbing your knees with the chair in front for 90 minutes. There are also far too many restricted views that prevent the stand and ground selling out. The kop let's the stadium and supporters down, trying to justify leaving it as it is because it won't bring in much money (after getting over £120m+ each year from being in the Premier League), sounds borderline cruel to me! I hope the prince doesn't think like the accountants on here and has plans to sort that mess of a stand out in the very near future.

Nothing you're saying is wrong (well, except the bit about non-league facilities - that's hyperbolic nonsense) and I sit on the kop, no pillars, better leg room and better facilities would be welcomed with open arms.

The problem is, regardless of what we want, the only way it will be sanctioned is if it's a good investment. Football us a business, and that's generally how businesses work.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Out of interest, how much would anyone estimate the cost of rebuilding the Kop to be?

 

[I should coco]

Out of interest, how much would anyone estimate the cost of rebuilding the Kop to be?

One of our experts who said he'd been in the construction industry, told me many times that it was like putting a conservatory on a house.
So say £8k, but this is a bit bigger than your average semi, so maybe £100k then.

Should be plenty left over to spend on tarpaulins, for the S6 style high quality finish.

 

[Kanye]

Out of interest, how much would anyone estimate the cost of rebuilding the Kop to be?

I imagine a professional wouldn't be able to give you a straight answer in terms of a figure. It would depend on the size, scale, groundworks etc.

Based on the cost (or predicted cost) of other projects though, I would be very surprised if it was anything less than a 9 figure fee.

 

[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

I imagine a professional wouldn't be able to give you a straight answer in terms of a figure. It would depend on the size, scale, groundworks etc.

Based on the cost (or predicted cost) of other projects though, I would be very surprised if it was anything less than a 9 figure fee.

I assume you mean an eight figure fee? If not, what will it be built of, solid gold?

 

[LONDON_BLADE]

“ A club of our stature”

So that’s it then. We should never try to improve our stature, never try to grow the club?

We’ll always be a club of the stature we are now unless we do something about it.

Otherwise we stand still which is something Chris Wilder has made clear he won’t stand for.

Clubs grow and evolve. Leeds were once a a club of a certain stature but they got a manager who pushed them forward, much like ours.

Other clubs have done similar and grown into the clubs they are today.

They didn’t accept they were a club who could only go so far and neither should we.

Precisely this, strike while the iron is hot as they say.
We most likely won't have the revenues like we will now.
Surely the Prince will realise he'll get a greater return with a team that has prestigious and MODERN facilities, if he did sell.
Its all about planning and doing it in a way that limits risk to our Prem standing, whilst allowing scope for future works and growth. That is where we have been so short sighted. One sticking plaster stadium development to the next.
Time to go out front and center and put real space between us and our Porcine neighbours.

 

[Kanye]

I assume you mean an eight figure fee? If not, what will it be built of, solid gold?

Nope, £100,000,000 I would have thought

 

[Sean Thornton]

All the money spent on the Desso and it’s not helped the money tree grow much.

 

[JohnDenver]

Nope, £100,000,000 I would have thought

Most of that goes on the giant flame spitting Prince I trust?

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Nope, £100,000,000 I would have thought

I think to do the South Stand (second tier, corporate facilities), Kop & corners as described with all of the concourses & bars, shops, food outlets I think it would probably be circa £150-200m.
My maths is purely based off Spurs, Wembley costs, with deductions made for size, quality of finish & location..

 

[bromtom]

You can build a brand ~20k stadium for £71m in London so I doubt it would be more than that. We're not looking at Anfield standard, which cost £110m so.

McCabe level: £15m
Alright/quite nice level: £25-50m
Properly posh level £60m+

 

[Kanye]

You can build a brand ~20k stadium for £71m in London so I doubt it would be more than that. We're not looking at Anfield standard, which cost £110m so.

McCabe level: £15m
Alright/quite nice level: £25-50m
Properly posh level £60m+

Have you seen Brentford's stadium? It's very small, hardly comparable, especially if the capacity of a rebuilt kop would likely be similar to their entire stadium.

There's also the cost of moving a hill.

And as for Liverpool, don't forget that is technically an expansion, not a rebuild.

 

[HolmesfieldBlade]

Very interesting comment found in the memorial garden post made today...

“In the near future, we anticipate that there will be extensive development of Bramall Lane's facilities to improve our historic home. “

 

[bromtom]

Have you seen Brentford's stadium? It's very small, hardly comparable, especially if the capacity of a rebuilt kop would likely be similar to their entire stadium.

There's also the cost of moving a hill.

And as for Liverpool, don't forget that is technically an expansion, not a rebuild.

Surely a lot of cost comes from building multiple stands concurrently though?

I'm not a civil engineer though to be fair.

 

[Kanye]

Surely a lot of cost comes from building multiple stands concurrently though?

I'm not a civil engineer though to be fair.

I'm not a civil engineer either, so dont take my word for it.

I would imagine building multiple stands at the same time would make it more cost effective rather than less.

 

[YES Blade]

Have you seen Brentford's stadium? It's very small, hardly comparable, especially if the capacity of a rebuilt kop would likely be similar to their entire stadium.

There's also the cost of moving a hill.

And as for Liverpool, don't forget that is technically an expansion, not a rebuild.

Brighton’s stadium cost £93m, ok that’s about 10 years ago, but materials and labour costs haven’t gone up that much.

OK we’ve got the spoil heap to remove which wouldn’t be cheap but the Kop wouldn’t have corporate boxes etc. which will bring the cost down.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

I'm not a civil engineer either, so dont take my word for it.

I would imagine building multiple stands at the same time would make it more cost effective rather than less.

The construction costs would be cheaper if you did both at the same time, but it wouldn't be the brightest move due to the reduced capacity during a season.

To be clear, you could probably implement McCabe's plans for £70m(ish). But a complete rebuild of the Kop, the corners and a new South tier with all of the concourse facilities as discussed... I don't think it's crazy to think it would be double.

 

[JJBlade]

Out of interest, how much would anyone estimate the cost of rebuilding the Kop to be?

Depends whether it's done properly or just an extension added, I'd rather they waited and got it done properly, adding an extension to it will be horrible.
The whole stand being demolished, roof taken off, the seats taken out, the rake steepened, the steps outside down to the street removed, the slag heap that lies under these steps levelled, deeper foundations dug, and all that before any actual building work takes place.
I think your talking about big money.
I can see a stadium move happening rather than spending this sort of money on something that will never be in an aesthetically uniformed state no matter what is done with it.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Liverpool's version of the South stand extension cost £100 million.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Regardless on whether building a new kop will bring significant financial gain or not, the main issue is that the kop isn't fit for purpose, for a Premier League club. To be honest it's not even at Championship standard.

I’ll stop you there. Not fit for purpose for a Premier League club. By very definition it is. Our fans have happily watched Premier League football from that stand so it’s certainly fit for purpose, it could be argued that it’s not at a comparable standard to all our rivals but again that wouldn’t be true either.
It could do with expansion and improvement, that’s it but it’s not pressing, it isn’t not fit for purpose and it’s not embarrassing. It’s just a stand.
Advocating spending money we clearly don’t have on something that will take a few years, prevent 11k fans attending while you do it, not give you a return on the money and have no tangible benefit to the club is just plain daft.

sounds borderline cruel to me! I hope the prince doesn't think like the accountants on here and has plans to sort that mess of a stand out in the very near future.

Are you for real? Cruel?
How about stopping 12k of our fans attending for a couple of years while it’s built, during our best team in decades. There’s nothing cruel about having to sit on the Kop and it’s voluntary and if you feel that way then why wouldn’t you move your ticket to one of the other stands?