CONFIRMED Oliver Burke

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Grizzly blade said:
I can’t understand why everyone else can’t see the problems.

Robinson came here, started, looked good against inferior opposition then when the proper games started he looked lost, slow, lightweight and on a different wavelength to everyone else. He was trying hard but clearly out of his depth. Some rise to a challenge others wilt!
I saw from the off his failings and wondered what player we had bought. This will go down as one of those ones Wilder got wrong. And it was expensive, record signing at the time!

We are now lumbered, he’s paid well, too much for many Champ sides so our options to recoup are limited. Add to that likely add Ons in the original transfer and we need to do what’s best for us.

So, WBA are the only club capable and interested in him, we want him to go there. They know our problem and stick a low offer in...:him not leaving restricts our other transfer activity so we have looked at other options...and come up with Burke.
What can be worse? At least the lad has pace and power, he’s already offering more to our side than Robbo in an area we struggled!

Trust me on this, it’s a crucial deal for us to get done, and will possibly be proven a master stroke as the season goes on.
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I agree and believe he will show that potential he had when he was at Forest.
 

Reece10 said:
I’m more talking about the Robinson wages situation.And reportedly been priced away from Watkins and possibly matty cash .
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Fair enough, but are they being priced away, or is it that CW doesn't think the deal was worth it?

Would be like me spunking my weekly shopping budget on Steak, when I need other stuff more. Personally, I'm ok with the Derby deal, we've got 2 players for less than the price of a Matty Cash
 
SotonBlade said:
Burke averages a goal every 10 games, I hope he's not the only striker potentially coming in through the door
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A goal every 375 minutes played, based on career minutes of 6367 including 1419 minutes last season as RWB for Alaves, also has 15 career assists.
 
I think the point was that we need someone to put the ball in the net. I understand the need for the McGoldrick type player, but we need goals.
 
We have to shop in the Championship rather than buy established PL players. The PL is full of players who have played at lower levels and have matured to become really good PL players - our team is full of them. However no one ever knows whether a good Championship player will be able to become a good PL player until you stick them in a PL team. It's a risk you take when you buy but you have to back your judgement. CWAK have not got all their transfers right either in the Championship or the PL but as others have said when they get it wrong they are fairly quick to move the players on and overall every season we have got a squad that is stronger than the one the previous season and this with a limited (by PL standards) budget They are also noticeably bringing in younger players as some of our stalwarts are getting towards the Autumn of their careers - Bash, Enda, obviously Billy, Didsy. Hence we now move C Robinson and L Freeman on. But wheel and deal by bringing in Bogle, Lowe and Burke plus others and use the loan market.
 
It's a wildcard signing and whether he's a success or not remains to be seen.

Ultimately he offers something different to what we already have, and it's not always about being the best footballer but having skills complementary to the existing strikers and the system we play.

Regarding Robinson, what we paid is unfortunately irrelevant and having more or less flopped in the Premier league and been farmed out on Loan his stock will have sunk significantly.
 
S5Blade said:
So many substitute appearances made.

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Hence one of the reasons his goal scoring isn't as high as it could be. The other reasons were that he played on the wing for most of his career and at RWB last season. I think Burke will offer us creativity, win fouls, create chances and pick up the odd goal on the way. Really looking forward to seeing him play for us.
 
Booker4 said:
Hence one of the reasons his goal scoring isn't as high as it could be. The other reasons were that he played on the wing for most of his career and at RWB last season. I think Burke will offer us creativity, win fouls, create chances and pick up the odd goal on the way. Really looking forward to seeing him play for us.
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Yup, I wasnt slagging him off and wont, just wanted to try and add a bit of balance to the whole "one goal every 10 games" which is bollocks. Hes so rapid that im looking forward to seeing what CWAK does with him and how our game adapts. The thought of someone with genuine pace and proper attitude running onto Norwoods pings, leaving defenders for dead....
 
BornOnShorehamStreet said:
Do you mean, player (Bash, Baldock, Norwood, etc.) supported by manager (Wilder) and shows improvement?

Nah

Me neither

;)
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For every one that has turned out positively there is one that hasn't.

I am all for CW working his magic and will support Burke whenever he pulls on the shirt but if he turns out to be any better than a combination of Conor Sammon and Marvin Johnson, (which is exactly what he looks like) then I will be very surprised....
 

Slightly surprised Robinson needs a medical there.
I guess its a set process.
 
S5Blade said:
Yup, I wasnt slagging him off and wont, just wanted to try and add a bit of balance to the whole "one goal every 10 games" which is bollocks. Hes so rapid that im looking forward to seeing what CWAK does with him and how our game adapts. The thought of someone with genuine pace and proper attitude running onto Norwoods pings, leaving defenders for dead....
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I admit I don't know enough about the lad, but a 6ft 2" player with pace sounds interesting. I guess it's what we thought Richairo Zivkovic was going to be last season, an option to bring on.
 
Torrix1889 said:
For every one that has turned out positively there is one that hasn't.

I am all for CW working his magic and will support Burke whenever he pulls on the shirt but if he turns out to be any better than a combination of Conor Sammon and Marvin Johnson, (which is exactly what he looks like) then I will be very surprised....
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Nowt wrong wi' that!
Marv Johnson was a great singer.
Oh the other one!

I hope you're surprised. Hope we all are.

I agree, some we'll win some we'll lose but occasionally we have to speculate and he'll come here for, relatively speaking, no money in comparative terms, I would imagine.
 
Grappler said:
I admit I don't know enough about the lad, but a 6ft 2" player with pace sounds interesting. I guess it's what we thought Richairo Zivkovic was going to be last season, an option to bring on.
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I guess the difference is Zivkovic cost us nothing whereas Burke is costing us an asset. No matter what we think of Robinson's ability at PL level, that's still ~£7m of player that we're trading for someone that West Brom fans seem actively delighted to get rid of.

Have to wait and see on this one - I'll freely admit I didn't know much of anything about Burke before the last few weeks, and it does sound like he has some of the tools that could succeed with us (pace!) - but it's probably the most "huh?" I've felt about a signing since Wilder took over.
 
Torrix1889 said:
but if he turns out to be any better than a combination of Conor Sammon and Marvin Johnson, (which is exactly what he looks like) then I will be very surprised....
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This shit be getting boring now
 
Beans said:
I guess the difference is Zivkovic cost us nothing whereas Burke is costing us an asset. No matter what we think of Robinson's ability at PL level, that's still ~£7m of player that we're trading for someone that West Brom fans seem actively delighted to get rid of.

Have to wait and see on this one - I'll freely admit I didn't know much of anything about Burke before the last few weeks, and it does sound like he has some of the tools that could succeed with us (pace!) - but it's probably the most "huh?" I've felt about a signing since Wilder took over.
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Agree with that. I suppose the big positive is Burke is still young....he’s 23...where as Robinson is 25.

Burke‘s back story is......
As an 18-19 year old at Nottingham Forest he is a rising star with huge potential....scored a few goals too.
Their fans were furious that they sold off such a promising young talent.....probably Forests equivilent to what happened with us and David Brooks.

RB Leipzig offer 13 million (record transfer fee for a Scottish player) for a young talent....even as a teenager he‘s a regular in a team finishing 2nd in the German league...but doesn’t score many.

West Brom then offer 15 million for the 20 year old....breaking his own Scottish transfer record.
He struggles to impress at West Brom...goes out to Celtic on loan, then last season he was a regular starter on loan at struggling Alavez (Spanish League).

Conclusion
For someone so young he has an impressive pedigree...playing in the top flight of the English, Scottish, German and Spanish leagues.
However he‘s currently lost his way...his career is at the crossroads.
Its a typical Wilder signing...someone with something to prove....
Money and fame probably came to him too early.....I expect him to be hungry and want to resurrect his promising career.
West Bromwich fans are glad to get rid...but let’s not forget....the anger is because he went there as a big signing with big expectation....so he’s let them down.
He comes here with much less expectation or pressure. Its one of his calculated risk signing which could pay big dividends.
 
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Sheffsteel said:
Conclusion
For someone so young he has an impressive pedigree...playing in the top flight of the English, Scottish, German and Spanish leagues.
However he‘s currently lost his way...his career is at the crossroads.
Its a typical Wilder signing...someone with something to prove....
Money and fame probably came to him too early.....I expect him to be hungry and want to resurrect his promising career.
Its one of his calculated risk signing which could pay big dividends.
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did you copy and paste this from a thread about Ravel Morrison from this time last year? :D

(I am kidding, obviously they are completely different people/players and just because it didn't work for Morrison doesn't mean it won't work for Burke)
 
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Deano said:
I’m ok having a punt on Burke as long as we also bring in another striker with a better track record. I do think it’s crucial we do bring in that proven striker though.
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We will mate, just wont be anytime soon
 
Beans said:
did you copy any paste this from a thread about Ravel Morrison from this time last year? :D

(I am kidding, obviously they are completely different people/players and just because it didn't work for Morrison doesn't mean it won't work for Burke)
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I wa going to mention Ravel...but apart from talent as a teenager there are few similarities.

Burke is still very young....23....so he still has many years ahead of him.
Burke has been playing regular 1st team football everywhere he’s been....it’s only WBA where he’s failed.
He’s well travelled..played in many big leagues...so even at 23 has massive life experience.....one would expect that he’s learnt so much from his experiences.
He comes here with much less pressure and expectation...better environment to make progress.
 

Beans said:
did you copy and paste this from a thread about Ravel Morrison from this time last year? :D

(I am kidding, obviously they are completely different people/players and just because it didn't work for Morrison doesn't mean it won't work for Burke)
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I guess the main point is that none of Wilder’s punts have harmed us financially, so if he trusts that this deal makes sense financially as well as from a footballing perspective I think that’s good enough, particularly as we won’t realistically know whether there’s money plus Burke or the amount. I don’t think he’s ever decided to part with a saleable asset where we’ve ended up receiving less than their value, so far at least.
 
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