CONFIRMED Oliver Burke

[SouthStandGBlock]

My overriding comment about Robinson would that he's nesh. Made every challenge 60/40 against. He did well away at Chelsea, but he looks lightweight to me.

If Burke comes, and he's an improvement, then I'm happy as I'm sure that we will all be.

This seems to be a debate about a striker who comes off the bench though, as Robinson is a long way off first choice.

 

[Flatcap]

I'm not a massive fan of this deal. What I will say, though is that last season, I watched Callum Robinson run around like a headless chicken half the time and back out of every challenge and 50/50 ball that presented itself. Some very frustrating performances with occasional glimpses of a real player.

Burke sounds like our very own Lys. Apparently lazy and mardy in games but with all the required attributes. I'd rather have this as a project for CW and AK to work their magic, than have Callum Robinson who has the work ethic in abundance but not the physicality or positional awareness for me.

If this deal and the Derby duo deal save us money for a striker of a higher calibre, ala Dennis for example who can offer us pace and strength with a good work ethic, then I think this deal could be worth it in the long run.

 

[AnstonBlade1]

What’s worrying is, we spent around £13 million on Luke Freeman and Callum Robinson and after 1 season CW has deemed them both not good enough. £13 million is a lot of money for our club to be throwing around. We need to be signing players to improve us, is Burke going to improve the side?

 

[Niceguyeddie]

What’s worrying is, we spent around £13 million on Luke Freeman and Callum Robinson and after 1 season CW has deemed them both not good enough. £13 million is a lot of money for our club to be throwing around. We need to be signing players to improve us, is Burke going to improve the side?

It was more like ten to be fair and wilder always gets rid of players quickly if he thinks they were a mistake

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

What’s worrying is, we spent around £13 million on Luke Freeman and Callum Robinson and after 1 season CW has deemed them both not good enough. £13 million is a lot of money for our club to be throwing around. We need to be signing players to improve us, is Burke going to improve the side?

Yeah but we earned 10 times that

 

[Rodley]

Yeah but we earned 10 times that

But some managers get 100% of their signings right every time. I can’t name them like, but apparently it happens.

Robinson gave us pace up top but is an inside forward and doesn’t fit for our system. I thought he was alright and clearly a good lad as well, but we move on. He barely played for us.

Freeman was bought in to play the number 10 role, but the flat middle 3 and the early form saw him miles out of the running. He’s old enough to demand regular football and isn’t good enough to unseat Fleck at LCM. GLTTL.

Burke seems a calculated gamble - big potential untapped, the raw athleticism we need. Clubs have paid in the region of £15m for him twice so there’s a player there, but issues with motivation. Enter the best man manager in the British game to sort that out.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

What’s worrying is, we spent around £13 million on Luke Freeman and Callum Robinson and after 1 season CW has deemed them both not good enough.

There's a group moaning on here we should be chucking a lot more money about (Cash's fee, Robinson's wages etc).

 

[Rodley]

There's a group moaning on here we should be chucking a lot more money about (Cash's fee, Robinson's wages etc).

Its the same group who have moaned for years about everything, plus a couple of sleeper cell pigs reactivated after their triumphant 0-0 against L2 Walsall. Same owd same owd.

 

[Enigmatic]

On Robinson/Freeman being bad signings:

First of all we won’t have paid near that for them as those reported fees will include all potential add-ons.

Secondly, they provided depth and cover in a season where we finished top half in the Premier League and fought for a place in Europe despite expecting to be nearer to the drop zone.

Finally, Robinson and Freeman are still both assets to the club and we will likely recoup most if not all of whatever we’ve paid for them.

Please stop labelling them as poor signings. They didn’t work out with us - not all signings will. Far from poor business.

For what it’s worth I think Burke is a gamble, but one we can definitely afford. Pace, power and direct dribbling in abundance. Why not give it a try?

 

[Bladeinleeds]

It was more like ten to be fair and wilder always gets rid of players quickly if he thinks they were a mistake

Got to respect wilders ability to move on once he sees things aren’t working.

That said it’s a lot easier to do when the outlay isn’t c£10m plus... it happens but to get basically an unwanted (By wba) Burke for those assets (and they are still assets). Doesn’t strike me as very good value for money or negotiation by the club.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

Got to respect wilders ability to move on once he sees things aren’t working.

That said it’s a lot easier to do when the outlay isn’t c£10m plus... it happens but to get basically an unwanted (By wba) Burke for those assets (and they are still assets). Doesn’t strike me as very good value for money or negotiation by the club.

Didn't realise we'd given freeman away

 

[Bladeinleeds]

On Robinson/Freeman being bad signings:

First of all we won’t have paid near that for them as those reported fees will include all potential add-ons.

Secondly, they provided depth and cover in a season where we finished top half in the Premier League and fought for a place in Europe despite expecting to be nearer to the drop zone.

Finally, Robinson and Freeman are still both assets to the club and we will likely recoup most if not all of whatever we’ve paid for them.

Please stop labelling them as poor signings. They didn’t work out with us - not all signings will. Far from poor business.

For what it’s worth I think Burke is a gamble, but one we can definitely afford. Pace, power and direct dribbling in abundance. Why not give it a try?

I think it’s a push to suggest we will get what we paid back for them.

freeman Will be a year older with a year left on his contract after sending him on loan and by all accounts we are swapping Robinson for Burke (which seems steep given Burke’s career progression).

the signings were good gambles but we would have stayed up without signing either and I don’t think we have maximised our returns on getting rid of them - so can’t really be good signings tbf.

Burke has potential and let’s hope we get the player that shone for forest.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Didn't realise we'd given freeman away

I think its wishful thinking to suggest we will get much for him with one a year left on his contract after the loan ends At a year older. Wouldn’t surprise me if we end up selling him on the cheap to get out of paying up his remaining contract.

that said if he rips up the championship- who knows. But I Still don’t know why wedidn’t cut our losses this season and just sell him.

 

[Teddy]

I think it’s a push to suggest we will get what we paid back for them.

freeman Will be a year older with a year left on his contract after sending him on loan and by all accounts we are swapping Robinson for Burke (which seems steep given Burke’s career progression).

the signings were good gambles but we would have stayed up without signing either and I don’t think we have maximised our returns on getting rid of them - so can’t really be good signings tbf.

Burke has potential and let’s hope we get the player that shone for forest.

Do we know for a fact there was no loan fee payable by Forest?

Not intended as a snarky response - genuinely curious as if we did that helps balance things out a bit.

 

[Harrisblade]

On Robinson/Freeman being bad signings:

First of all we won’t have paid near that for them as those reported fees will include all potential add-ons.

Secondly, they provided depth and cover in a season where we finished top half in the Premier League and fought for a place in Europe despite expecting to be nearer to the drop zone.

Finally, Robinson and Freeman are still both assets to the club and we will likely recoup most if not all of whatever we’ve paid for them.

Please stop labelling them as poor signings. They didn’t work out with us - not all signings will. Far from poor business.

For what it’s worth I think Burke is a gamble, but one we can definitely afford. Pace, power and direct dribbling in abundance. Why not give it a try?

Just to stir things up a bit:
How good a signing has Pogba been for Man U?

 

[SouthStandGBlock]

One of Wilders strengths has been the ability to acknowledge when a signing hasn't worked and move them on. Lee Evans, Ryan Leonard, Chris Hussey all spring to mind. I think he's realised this with Robinson and Freeman. Remember we still have Freeman, and if we swap Robinson for Burke and he fulfills his potential, Wilders worked his magic again. The worst managers are those that show dogmatic persistent when something isn't working, and to date, this is something Wilder hasn't been guilty of.

 

[BanderSerge]

I think it’s a push to suggest we will get what we paid back for them.

freeman Will be a year older with a year left on his contract after sending him on loan and by all accounts we are swapping Robinson for Burke (which seems steep given Burke’s career progression).

the signings were good gambles but we would have stayed up without signing either and I don’t think we have maximised our returns on getting rid of them - so can’t really be good signings tbf.

Burke has potential and let’s hope we get the player that shone for forest.

£5m for Freeman to keep Fleck on his toes to earn us £132m? Great deal in my book.

 

[BladeTillIDie]

Don't get this Burke signing. We need two strikers that can score lol.

 

[Grizzly blade]

I can’t understand why everyone else can’t see the problems.

Robinson came here, started, looked good against inferior opposition then when the proper games started he looked lost, slow, lightweight and on a different wavelength to everyone else. He was trying hard but clearly out of his depth. Some rise to a challenge others wilt!
I saw from the off his failings and wondered what player we had bought. This will go down as one of those ones Wilder got wrong. And it was expensive, record signing at the time!

We are now lumbered, he’s paid well, too much for many Champ sides so our options to recoup are limited. Add to that likely add Ons in the original transfer and we need to do what’s best for us.

So, WBA are the only club capable and interested in him, we want him to go there. They know our problem and stick a low offer in...:him not leaving restricts our other transfer activity so we have looked at other options...and come up with Burke.
What can be worse? At least the lad has pace and power, he’s already offering more to our side than Robbo in an area we struggled!

Trust me on this, it’s a crucial deal for us to get done, and will possibly be proven a master stroke as the season goes on.

 

[Booker4]

Slightly worried that Burke starts and scores for Scotland tonight and then Villa come calling with a late bid like they did with Ramsdale! Nothing would surprise me with them!

 

[SufcBilly]

Slightly worried that Burke starts and scores for Scotland tonight and then Villa come calling with a late bid like they did with Ramsdale! Nothing would surprise me with them!

Might get about 12 if Czech team is as depleted as reports suggest

 

[BushBlade]

What’s worrying is, we spent around £13 million on Luke Freeman and Callum Robinson and after 1 season CW has deemed them both not good enough. £13 million is a lot of money for our club to be throwing around. We need to be signing players to improve us, is Burke going to improve the side?

Good job you’re here to remind us how shit Wilder is.

https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/lys-mousset.73565/post-2116818I

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Trying to think of cover for Mousset signings here...

for those of you not familiar a few years ago Oli Burke was up there with Brooks as a lad with huge potential moved to wba 15m, lightning quick pace, it hasn’t quite hit off for him, still young at 22yo...

i seemingly in the wilderness after a nomadic career and now on loan at Alaves, I wonder if he would be a decent shout, with a bit of work put in from cwak i feel they could get him ticking... and cannot imagine he would be more than £10m now? Thoughts?

This may well prove to be the most inspired suggestion on the board.

 

[Bladezz]

Burke has attributes that aren’t common with size mobility and pace. When you watch the Scandinavians play they all seem to have a player like this in their side and they seem so difficult to play against.

No one is expecting Burke to arrive score 15 goals in his first season. But he will provide something CW seems to want from Mousset which is constant running in behind.

If Mousset continuously did that he would score even more for us. He did the same run at Chelsea as he did against Preston but all you could hear is CW screaming at him to continue doing it.

We are now a PL club and have to act accordingly so having a larger squad that have all sorts of attributes is what is needed.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

I'm looking forward to this one because he will give us an option of blistering pace up front and that's something we don't have much of. It can be a real game-changer. The other thing he's got though is brawn - he's a very big strong lad - and we've only got McBurnie who has that about his game up front.

It's been the opinion of some on here, for a long time, that we won't sign wingers, because we don't play wingers. Well, here comes a winger folks. Let's see what Chris does with him. He's got the option of playing him out wide on the right - which I think would be a good thing because that right side of attack is nowhere near as effective as our left side. However, I think he'll end up being deployed more as a centre forward, because of his height and aerial power, and not least, the fact that he's likely to run straight down the throats of central defenders and make them have kittens. Just what we need.

I just hope that:

1. He arrives fit enough to play from the start of the season
2. He fits into the squad socially - because I've read he can be a bit sulky and distance himself from team-mates, and that can never work in a Wilder team.
3. He learns to show some composure in front of goal - because from what I've seen and read, the lad is like a loose firework going off, but not much end product.

Welcome Oliver Burke. He's not signed yet, but I think sometime between now and me having beans on toast tonight, the deal will be sealed.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

And just what relevance does that have to Burke?

Do you mean, player (Bash, Baldock, Norwood, etc.) supported by manager (Wilder) and shows improvement?

Nah

Me neither

 

[mattbianco1]

its a forum not north korea. People have different opinions thats life. Lets hope he discovers that forest form and not the WBA one. Like i say would love to proven wrong.

Which bit of my post did you think said people couldn’t post what they liked or suggested we should have North Korea type censorship? It was the total opposite.

Maybe it was being accountable for what you post and being open to criticism for it, that you didn’t like. Free speech can be tough like that, but it’s not the right to say what you like without being challenged.

Can one of you change your avatar please? I thought you were arguing with yourself

 

[mattbianco1]

What’s worrying is, we spent around £13 million on Luke Freeman and Callum Robinson and after 1 season CW has deemed them both not good enough. £13 million is a lot of money for our club to be throwing around. We need to be signing players to improve us, is Burke going to improve the side?

Better to get shut now before they stagnate further due to lack of games. They both still have a resale value presently.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

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[ChipButtyBlade]

Trying to think of cover for Mousset signings here...for those of you not familiar a few years ago Oli Burke was up there with Brooks as a lad with huge potential moved to wba 15m, lightning quick pace, it hasn’t quite hit off for him, still young at 22yo...i seemingly in the wilderness after a nomadic career and now on loan at Alaves, I wonder if he would be a decent shout, with a bit of work put in from cwak i feel they could get him ticking... and cannot imagine he would be more than £10m now? Thoughts?

1st reply to above ^

He had a good 2 month spell at Forest and then nothing else. It's unlikely that he's anything other than a flash on the pan

Its fuckin IN i tell thee.