3 poins tomorrow: no excuses

[Ollessendro]

I expect nothing more than 3 points at home to Watford tomorrow: no excuses. Speed has been in charge for around 6 weeks and has had time to gel with the players. He’s been in charge for 7 games and should know his best team. This is not to mention that he was coach for a couple of seasons and should know the team inside out. Not only that but he has signed 3 players in this time period. 6 weeks is time enough to stamp his authority on the training ground and I think there are no excuses to building on Tuesday’s away performance and winning. At home to a Watford we should be taking maximum points.

Even Yeates has come out and stated that he thinks someone is out for a good spanking. So come on Speed get your troops rallied and let’s go out there and convincingly beat Watford. If we are not relegation material (as many on this forum say we aren’t) then I’d expect us to beat Watford at home. Never mind the let’s be patient, let’s see a repeat of this fixture last year.

 

[Dog Blade]

Let's be patient

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

I expect nothing more than 3 points at home to Watford tomorrow: no excuses.

What happens if we dominate possession, have loads more shots, their keeper plays a blinder and they pinch a 1-0 with a scuffed free-kick ?

 

[Mad Mick]

It's nice to see you so positive Ollie, did you forget your medication?

 

[Ollessendro]

What happens if we dominate possession, have loads more shots, their keeper plays a blinder and they pinch a 1-0 with a scuffed free-kick ?

then we'd be unlucky. Just like we were against Scunny .... oh hang on.

 

[SwissBlade]

I think this sums up your expectations Olle, so i've changed a bit for you

Speed has been in charge for around ONLY 6 weeks and has had a little time to gel with the players. He’s been in charge for 7 games and should know his best team however there are lots of problems to sort out defensively before we get carried away. In addition, he may know what he thinks is his best team, but only time will tell if thats the same as what he think it is now . This is not to mention that he was coach for a couple of seasons and should know the team inside out but that was under a different regime and with a different playing philosophy. Not only that but he has signed 3 players in this time period each of which needs time to settle (1 being a young Argie and 1 only being here on a months emergency loan. 6 weeks is nowhere near enough time enough to stamp his authority on the training ground and I think there are no excuses to building on Tuesday’s away performance and winning avoiding defeat. At home to a Watford we should be taking maximum points.However with a very unsettled side this team is still in its infancy and the pressure should not be on to win after so few games in charge.

Still far too early to make any judgement on Speed, the team he picks or indeed the way the team plays. Speed is building something and we shouldn't expect too much just yet.

Because of the changes he wants to implement and is currently doing, its a lot of work and there are many new elements that come with stepping up to the job such as Transfers, players contracts and additional media responsibility.

I've already written this season off as a consolidation and rebuiling season so anything more is just gwayvee

 

[boo radley]

I expect nothing more than 3 points at home to Watford tomorrow: no excuses. Speed has been in charge for around 6 weeks and has had time to gel with the players. He’s been in charge for 7 games and should know his best team. This is not to mention that he was coach for a couple of seasons and should know the team inside out. Not only that but he has signed 3 players in this time period. 6 weeks is time enough to stamp his authority on the training ground and I think there are no excuses to building on Tuesday’s away performance and winning. At home to a Watford we should be taking maximum points.

Even Yeates has come out and stated that he thinks someone is out for a good spanking. So come on Speed get your troops rallied and let’s go out there and convincingly beat Watford. If we are not relegation material (as many on this forum say we aren’t) then I’d expect us to beat Watford at home. Never mind the let’s be patient, let’s see a repeat of this fixture last year.

And if we dont win? if you were in charge and we dont win you'd sack him?

 

[Trigger Blade]

I expect nothing more than 3 points at home to Watford tomorrow: no excuses.

At home to a Watford we should be taking maximum points.

I agree with you!

I expect nothing more than 3 points either. In fairness though, 3 is the maximum, being the number the FL allocate to a win, so you'd be setting the bar unreasonably high aiming for any more.

 

[Micalijo]

I think this sums up your expectations Olle, so i've changed a bit for you



Still far too early to make any judgement on Speed, the team he picks or indeed the way the team plays. Speed is building something and we shouldn't expect too much just yet.

I've already written this season off as a consolidation and rebuiling season so anything more is just gwayvee

I don't recall you or McCabe writing it off in May or August, especially when you said the summer has gone well etc, good signings etc, Blackwell deserves a chance etc and is changing it for the better

Speed can work em 24 hours a day on the training ground but it will make no difference at all. Our squad is woefully short in all the departments that a successful team requires, inherent, natural skill on the ball and pace being two things that Speed cannot give em. Is this why you say we shouldn't expect too much yet? Fair enough but I'm not expecting anything ever for as long we have so little pace or talent.

Let's say Watford man mark Britton. We'll then have at times Ertl and Noz trying to find Monty, who I assume is meant to turn, look up and pass to somebody else. Or, we'll have Ertl whacking it shoulder high to Boggy who has no support, we'll have Cresswell trying to do somat on the left wing. It is not going to change Swiss with this set of players, wake up I beg thee, we are in deep trouble and there is not really much Speedo can do.

Quite obvious, sadly, that there will be only one team at BDTBL tomorrow with pace, flair and athleticism, and that is the one who lurched into a financial crisis after relegation which a few on here were praising McCabe for avoiding.

 

[boo radley]

I don't recall you or McCabe writing it off in May or August, especially when you said the summer has gone well etc, good signings etc, Blackwell deserves a chance etc and is changing it for the better

Speed can work em 24 hours a day on the training ground but it will make no difference at all. Our squad is woefully short in all the departments that a successful team requires, inherent, natural skill on the ball and pace being two things that Speed cannot give em. Is this why you say we shouldn't expect too much yet? Fair enough but I'm not expecting anything ever for as long we have so little pace or talent.

Let's say Watford man mark Britton. We'll then have at times Ertl and Noz trying to find Monty, who I assume is meant to turn, look up and pass to somebody else. Or, we'll have Ertl whacking it shoulder high to Boggy who has no support, we'll have Cresswell trying to do somat on the left wing. It is not going to change Swiss with this set of players, wake up I beg thee, we are in deep trouble and there is not really much Speedo can do.

Quite obvious, sadly, that there will be only one team at BDTBL tomorrow with pace, flair and athleticism, and that is the one who lurched into a financial crisis after relegation which a few on here were praising McCabe for avoiding.

Come on Leicester, Sign Blackwell

 

[Ollessendro]

And if we dont win? if you were in charge and we dont win you'd sack him?

No, but I'd have him and the team doing laps round the pitch until 10pm.

I think this sums up your expectations Olle, so i've changed a bit for you



Still far too early to make any judgement on Speed, the team he picks or indeed the way the team plays. Speed is building something and we shouldn't expect too much just yet.

Because of the changes he wants to implement and is currently doing, its a lot of work and there are many new elements that come with stepping up to the job such as Transfers, players contracts and additional media responsibility.

I've already written this season off as a consolidation and rebuiling season so anything more is just gwayvee

Ah ok Swiss. So you'd be happy with a point against the mighty Watford tomorrow? Or in fact at this early stages we can't be expecting to beat classy teams like Watford??

I agree with you!

I knew you'd come round Trig One day you might even be praising me like you do Lenners. can i take this as as promotion from the Blue Square League??

 

[boo radley]

No, but I'd have him and the team doing laps round the pitch until 10pm. )

What would that achieve?

 

[SwissBlade]

I don't recall you or McCabe writing it off in May or August, especially when you said the summer has gone well etc, good signings etc, Blackwell deserves a chance etc and is changing it for the better

Speed can work em 24 hours a day on the training ground but it will make no difference at all. Our squad is woefully short in all the departments that a successful team requires, inherent, natural skill on the ball and pace being two things that Speed cannot give em. Is this why you say we shouldn't expect too much yet? Fair enough but I'm not expecting anything ever for as long we have so little pace or talent.

Let's say Watford man mark Britton. We'll then have at times Ertl and Noz trying to find Monty, who I assume is meant to turn, look up and pass to somebody else. Or, we'll have Ertl whacking it shoulder high to Boggy who has no support, we'll have Cresswell trying to do somat on the left wing. It is not going to change Swiss with this set of players, wake up I beg thee, we are in deep trouble and there is not really much Speedo can do.

Quite obvious, sadly, that there will be only one team at BDTBL tomorrow with pace, flair and athleticism, and that is the one who lurched into a financial crisis after relegation which a few on here were praising McCabe for avoiding.

But hasn't the situation changed Mic? Haven't we got a new manager with no experience in? If you go back to one of the very first threads on the Speed appointment (I think it was a poll) I said he needs time and I'm prepared to write off this season to rebuild.

What I said about the summer and Blackwell has long since gone and I'm reassessing the situation as Speed is a very different man to Blackwell. Maybe you're right and our squad is woefully short, so that further justifies giving time.

I'm not sure why you're comments to my post are explaining where are weaknesses are, I don't disagree that we're weak for this type of football with the players we have. But then we're trying to change things.

Ah ok Swiss. So you'd be happy with a point against the mighty Watford tomorrow? Or in fact at this early stages we can't be expecting to beat classy teams like Watford??

Olle, yeah I would actually be fairly happy with a point. But is that what I want us to get? No of course not, but I can't see us tearing Watford apart either. I have though predicted a 3-1 win on another thread

 

[Ollessendro]

What would that achieve?

absolute clarity that SUFC are not expected to lose home games to teams such as Watford.

It's punsihment Boo. You know carrot and stick. Hot them with a stick if they don't behave, just as I'd buy the all a beer if they stuffed the Hornets.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Ah ok Swiss. So you'd be happy with a point against the mighty Watford tomorrow? Or in fact at this early stages we can't be expecting to beat classy teams like Watford??

This would be the Watford currently sat in 4th spot with a plus 8 goal difference having scored 4 times as many goals as us.

Or is the table lying again

 

[SwissBlade]

just as I'd buy the all a beer if they stuffed the Hornets.

Pah! Promises!! I'm still waiting for a beer from Olle from last season and judging by his comments on Becks/ Stella I wouldn't trust him to know the difference between Jaipur and J20

 

[Micalijo]

But hasn't the situation changed Mic? Haven't we got a new manager with no experience in? If you go back to one of the very first threads on the Speed appointment (I think it was a poll) I said he needs time and I'm prepared to write off this season to rebuild.

What I said about the summer and Blackwell has long since gone and I'm reassessing the situation as Speed is a very different man to Blackwell. Maybe you're right and our squad is woefully short, so that further justifies giving time.

I'm not sure why you're comments to my post are explaining where are weaknesses are, I don't disagree that we're weak for this type of football with the players we have. But then we're trying to change things.



Olle, yeah I would actually be fairly happy with a point. But is that what I want us to get? No of course not, but I can't see us tearing Watford apart either. I have though predicted a 3-1 win on another thread

Speedo has all the time in the world for me, delighted he is charge.

The thing is Swiss, until now I haven't seen any recognition from you that the players are not suited.

The protestations (not necessarily from you but from alot) that things will come good etc with a bit of work on the training ground just seem wrong to me if we basically accept that the squad cannot pass and has no pace.

I am very surprised that we haven't got some pace in on loan,not easy and no idea who but that would indicate to me that things are changing. Signing players in january very difficult and I think we are in for bottom 8 all season, at best - which is not good enough irrespective of any change in style etc given the resources available and support

 

[Deleted member 2102]

Speed has been in charge for around 6 weeks and has had time to gel with the players. He’s been in charge for 7 games and should know his best team.QUOTE]

In what other industry would new CEO be expected to turn things around after 6 weeks??

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

given the resources available and support

problem is, both of these are dwindling at an alrming rate.

Speed knows where we are lacking but as you say, he has little chance in changing the personnel in the foreseeable future, maybe not until the Summer. People aren't expecting him to change certain players into world beaters but I think many have seen enough in his games in charge to think that we'll finish mid table comfortably and we can move on next Summer. It might be a waste of a season and that will rile some fans but we have to look long term if we want things to change.

 

[boo radley]

absolute clarity that SUFC are not expected to lose home games to teams such as Watford.

It's punsihment Boo. You know carrot and stick. Hot them with a stick if they don't behave, just as I'd buy the all a beer if they stuffed the Hornets.

So while your trying to downgrade your comments about its a win no excuse, you really have no solution if they dont win.

and the 'no excuse' bit is in reference to a frustrated Olle if we draw or lose.
simple question for you, Do you have confidence in Gary Speed?

(if it were me i'd 'Hit' them with it).

 

[davidpinder]

Or is the table lying again

Absolutely were not 4th Jim

 

[shorehamview]

You know carrot and stick. Hot them with a stick if they don't behave, just as I'd buy the all a beer if they stuffed the Hornets.

Surely that's more beer and stick than carrot and stick. Hotting them might work though, although the stick is likely to burn if it gets too hot. So, it's really beer and red hot poker than carrot and stick. I wish you'd stop mixing your phrases up. After all, a rolling stone saves time.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

I was going to abstain from posting until the weekend as debate had seemingly gone stale the last few days but this thread got the old juices flowing again so well done Olle.

I feel one or two of you are being a little bit disrespectful to Watford though (or doing them a disservice anyway). They were the team I tipped to struggle at the start of the season but having seen them they're not half bad and have done remarkably well considering the initial expectations.

I agree in as much as United should be expected to beat them at home. If we're going to show any promotion credentials whatsoever (as if we should expect it at all), then we have to beat seasoned campaigners like them at home. As ive mentioned above though, just because United should be expected to win doesnt mean we should write Watford off. They are a young side and have a lot of problems as a club but they're fighters with a lot of bottle and they have a couple of dangerous players in Danny Graham and Marvin Sordell.

They'll be no pushovers so dont expect them to be. They'll be in our face from minute one and will try to push forward at every possible moment. This fixture is far from a formality and it will be whoever is up for it on the day that will decide it. I'm hopeful that we will have a little bit more quality when it counts.

UTB :thumbup:

 

[SwissBlade]

Speedo has all the time in the world for me, delighted he is charge.

The thing is Swiss, until now I haven't seen any recognition from you that the players are not suited.

The protestations (not necessarily from you but from alot) that things will come good etc with a bit of work on the training ground just seem wrong to me if we basically accept that the squad cannot pass and has no pace.

I am very surprised that we haven't got some pace in on loan,not easy and no idea who but that would indicate to me that things are changing. Signing players in january very difficult and I think we are in for bottom 8 all season, at best - which is not good enough irrespective of any change in style etc given the resources available and support

Spot on Mic, thats very deliberate from me. I've had no time to suggest that the players aren't suited. I've seen 4 games with Speed at the helm so I can't really comment on him, his players or his tactics too much just yet. I haven't formed my opinion just yet. I'll have a better idea in a few weeks but i'd say that Christmas will be key as the blades and the division will start to take shape. Right now we can only summise who will be decent and who will be shite. Preston, Boro and Pompey all looked dire, but both Pompey and Preston have also picked up some mad results.

If you claim that teh squad isn't good enough then it also dampens your arguement that was so strong against our previous manager. A manager who had to sell.

Pace isn't the key for me, its about technical ability. Pace is overrated. A quick player like Ward, Littlejohn, Huckerby, Wright-Phillips, Lennon would be great and would excite the crowd... up until the cross sails into the Kop!

We need players like Halford to deliver the ball into the box.

I see us being way above your bottom 8, but just not quite Play offs. In actual fact, my end of season expectation (with this set of players) is for 8-10th, but under Blackwell I expected that, under Speed I'd set it as a target.

 

[alcoblade]

I expect nothing more than 3 points at home to Watford tomorrow: no excuses. Speed has been in charge for around 6 weeks and has had time to gel with the players. He’s been in charge for 7 games and should know his best team. This is not to mention that he was coach for a couple of seasons and should know the team inside out. Not only that but he has signed 3 players in this time period. 6 weeks is time enough to stamp his authority on the training ground and I think there are no excuses to building on Tuesday’s away performance and winning. At home to a Watford we should be taking maximum points.

Even Yeates has come out and stated that he thinks someone is out for a good spanking. So come on Speed get your troops rallied and let’s go out there and convincingly beat Watford. If we are not relegation material (as many on this forum say we aren’t) then I’d expect us to beat Watford at home. Never mind the let’s be patient, let’s see a repeat of this fixture last year.

Olle - why your obsession with us signing defenders to replace injuries? It's clear we're short up front - but it's also clear that we've made lots of appeasement signings over the years - one's who're clearly no better that what we've got but are "worth a try" to be seen to be acting. Speed will know where we're short. Believe it or not, he probably knows more about the game than you do (though he does still play Evans....). Perhaps he just hasn't found the forwards who're worth spending our limited budget on?

Giving "must win" demands in the way you do smacks of someone desperately wanting things to go wrong in order to be proved right.

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; Preston, Boro and Pompey all looked dire, but both Pompey and Preston have also picked up some mad results.

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Portsmouth's squad is head and shoulders above ours and I'll double up my arse bearing on the town hall steps (ask Ted) if they don't finish above us.

Avoiding relegation and making some astute forward signings for a push next year is as good as it gets this year, for me. Mic's right - our blend of players isn't right just now though I believe the overall quality is higher than he does. I'm happy to give the manager time.

Also, from bottom 8 to just outside the play-off's probably leaves a window of about 2 wins - so your statement isn't a bold one.

UTB

 

[Ollessendro]

This would be the Watford currently sat in 4th spot with a plus 8 goal difference having scored 4 times as many goals as us.

Or is the table lying again

Just shows how poor the division is. Pity we are nowhere near good enough to take advantage of this. Those stats really show we have been pathetic in front of goal.

Pah! Promises!! I'm still waiting for a beer from Olle from last season and judging by his comments on Becks/ Stella I wouldn't trust him to know the difference between Jaipur and J20

In what other industry would new CEO be expected to turn things around after 6 weeks??

These irrelevant comparisons with industry always make me laugh, but here goes. If the number 3 in any business, who'd been working there for a substancial period of time before hand, was given the job then you'd expect to see some signs of a turn around (especially if he was given extra resources).

Howard Kendall took over the squad in 1996 and got results, whilst playing football.

simple question for you, Do you have confidence in Gary Speed?

Jury is still out Boo ...... He's looking like a blind, one armed boxer trying to fight Mike Tyson at the moment.

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Pah! Promises!! I'm still waiting for a beer from Olle from last season and judging by his comments on Becks/ Stella I wouldn't trust him to know the difference between Jaipur and J20

You'll get your non alcoholic half when I'm next in Shef.

I was going to abstain from posting until the weekend as debate had seemingly gone stale the last few days but this thread got the old juices flowing again so well done Olle.

If only I was appreciated by all SC. Mind you even Trig is warming up to me

Olle - why your obsession with us signing defenders to replace injuries? It's clear we're short up front - but it's also clear that we've made lots of appeasement signings over the years - one's who're clearly no better that what we've got but are "worth a try" to be seen to be acting. Speed will know where we're short. Believe it or not, he probably knows more about the game than you do (though he does still play Evans....). Perhaps he just hasn't found the forwards who're worth spending our limited budget on?

Giving "must win" demands in the way you do smacks of someone desperately wanting things to go wrong in order to be proved right.

I'm still a bit mythed as to why Speed has signed a reserve keeper and 2 squad defenders (hence using up valuable resources) when we have the worst goal scoring record in the division. He clearly hasn't found the forwards/midfielders he needs because his scouts have been 2 busy watching defenders!?

Your suggestion is ridiculous. Of course I want United to win. All I've been hearing of late is about the 'green shoots coming through' and how we've been unlucky etc. I know Watford are 4th, but I really don't rate them. They are not that different from the team we stuffed at BDTBL last season. Hence I expect us to win.

 

[DuncDisorderly]

I expect nothing more than 3 points at home to Watford tomorrow: no excuses...

Curtis? Is that you..?

 

[MunXy]

as stated in another thread, yes we have very low goals scored BUT we also have lost because of poor defensive mistakes so surely sorting defence atm is at least as important at sorting strike force. we cant score so surely stopping them scoring is a priority?
1 point gotta be better than none and even bigger negative goal difference?
id expect 3 points every home game regardless of opponants so in one respect id agree with olle on the other hand a point is better than nowt.

MunXy

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

I expect nothing more than 3 points at home to Watford tomorrow: no excuses. Speed has been in charge for around 6 weeks and has had time to gel with the players. He’s been in charge for 7 games and should know his best team. This is not to mention that he was coach for a couple of seasons and should know the team inside out. Not only that but he has signed 3 players in this time period. 6 weeks is time enough to stamp his authority on the training ground and I think there are no excuses to building on Tuesday’s away performance and winning. At home to a Watford we should be taking maximum points.

Even Yeates has come out and stated that he thinks someone is out for a good spanking. So come on Speed get your troops rallied and let’s go out there and convincingly beat Watford. If we are not relegation material (as many on this forum say we aren’t) then I’d expect us to beat Watford at home. Never mind the let’s be patient, let’s see a repeat of this fixture last year.

This season is going to be so disappointing for you

 

[MunXy]

This season is going to be so disappointing for you

for some reason i see olle disappointed if the blades were romping premiership, final of champions league and had co owners of man city and chelski owners, olle's glass is not half empty its been knocked over, his babycham n blackcurrent has spilled over his white shirt and and his shoes are filled with jelly.
are you on suicide watch by any chance olle?
if so call 0800-samaritans.

MunXy