it's time to start panicking

[Flatulent_Bob]

Len's motives, that's easy , to be proven right, always and without expectation especially when wrong.

 

[sheffielder]

Or chances created from midfield or out wide. It really doesn't matter who we play in the middle if we aren't carving out decent chances.

I am with you Bob. Until our striker(s) start missing shedloads of chances we are looking at the wrong areas for improvement. We need 2 quick mobile wingers who can pull centre halves out of their positions and an attacking midfielder to join in which can bring out a defender and create more space for the striker.

This 4-3-3 is new to the players and is especially hard for the wingers to know when to stay wide or come inside.

As things are now with the squad we have I would be half tempted to move ward into the centre as the attacking midfielder in the hole.

Anyone screaming for 4-4-2 needs to understand that Speed wants to play 4-4-2 and feels more comfortable with it.

 

[lenners]

I know I shouldn't bite, however what is your agenda? reason for posting on forums? The way we are trying to play takes time. When Blackwell came in it was like papering over the cracks of what should have been a good team. Because there was no long term plan we got to where we are now. Why not wait till Christmas and see where we are then. I just don't understand the motive of your posts

That's a bit of an odd post.
Are you suggesting we should not post on how we're playing until xmas? Perhaps we could close down the forum until then.
If I recall correctly, certain posters were suggesting we should wait until July, August, September, loan windows etc, etc when it was pointed out how we were failing to build a proper squad in time for this season.
Cuts both ways I'm afraid.

 

[Pinchy]

Dunc,

Please do not tar everyone with the same brush. I was a consistent and vociferous voice in the campaign to rid us of this turbulent semi-pro, non-league, reserve keeper. I shall always speak out against anti-football and its perpetrators and apologists.

By contrast, I believe in GS. He has a mountainous task - turning around a juggernaut, but is making an impressive start. It is, and can only be, nothing more than a start. He has no magic wand. I am confident that in 12 months time we shall have moved on apace and some notable non-footballers will have been despatched in favour of proper players. It's surely clear to anyone with any sense that this process will take time and patience. Those of us that [rightly] call for Real Football have to acknowledge that.

For the record [please cut and paste if you wish] we will not be involved in any relegation struggle by Easter. It goes without saying that we shan't be troubling the top six either.

I was pleased with the team last night. Little Britton is an absolute delight to watch. He needs a few more on his wavelength around him though. Boggy was not fantastic but, in sharp contrast to Ched, gave a pretty competent centre-forward performance that included comfort on the ball and an awareness of team-mates. Noz and the prodigious Kyle Bartley [a captain in the making - get well soon lad] were almost faultless.

So long as the football continues to improve and the mediocrities are gradualy phased out [and they will be], you can throw me a fish.

 

[Coily]

Whichever way you look through the telescope, the goals scored figure remains at five.
I've only seen the home games and Cardiff and Boro on tv this season but out of six games seen the only one where we created a number of chances - or our frontline looked mobile or dangerous - was the first half against Scunthorpe.
A continuation of that will see relegation.

Fair to say that if we score c. 26 goals this season (5/9*46) then we are in a whole shitload of trouble. But there are goals in the team, not the amount to get up promoted - hell no! - but enough allied to a (QPR and Scunny apart) solid defence to be solidly midtable so Speed can work on getting his way of playing across and make the changes needed to push on next season.

Seems to me that we are not taking enough chances and then being punished for most mistakes, the last two costing us three points. No need to hit the panic button yet.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Seems to me that we are not taking enough chances and then being punished for most mistakes, the last two costing us three points. No need to hit the panic button yet.

You see I don't think enough chances are being created I like the 4-3-3 formation I just don't think Ward or Cresswell in particular is suited to it.

 

[Coily]

Dunc,

Please do not tar everyone with the same brush. I was a consistent and vociferous voice in the campaign to rid us of this turbulent semi-pro, non-league, reserve keeper. I shall always speak out against anti-football and its perpetrators and apologists.

By contrast, I believe in GS. He has a mountainous task - turning around a juggernaut, but is making an impressive start. It is, and can only be, nothing more than a start. He has no magic wand. I am confident that in 12 months time we shall have moved on apace and some notable non-footballers will have been despatched in favour of proper players. It's surely clear to anyone with any sense that this process will take time and patience. Those of us that [rightly] call for Real Football have to acknowledge that.

For the record [please cut and paste if you wish] we will not be involved in any relegation struggle by Easter. It goes without saying that we shan't be troubling the top six either.

I was pleased with the team last night. Little Britton is an absolute delight to watch. He needs a few more on his wavelength around him though. Boggy was not fantastic but, in sharp contrast to Ched, gave a pretty competent centre-forward performance that included comfort on the ball and an awareness of team-mates. Noz and the prodigious Kyle Bartley [a captain in the making - get well soon lad] were almost faultless.

So long as the football continues to improve and the mediocrities are gradualy phased out [and they will be], you can throw me a fish.

Blackwell as a modern day Thomas à Becket? Despatched by the right shoes of car park protesters no doubt...

Agree with the sentiment of your post, it is a rebuild job. If we are to be a Championship club for an extended period of time then be one while playing good football. I've personally had enough of the result being the be-all-end-all, one example was the PNE game last season where I really didn't care that we'd won late on because it couldn't erase the 88 minutes of utter garbage that had gone on before.

God Speed Gary!

 

[SteelCity Blade]

You see I don't think enough chances are being created I like the 4-3-3 formation I just don't think Ward or Cresswell in particular is suited to it.

This is the problem. We're playing 4-3-3 because our personnel suggests we can but in reality/practicality it doesnt work. I liked the idea myself at the start of the season but I feel we are only playing this way to accomodate Britton in his favoured role and due to having only a couple of wide men.

You're right, Ward and Cresswell arent suited to playing this way. They both get boxed in too easily by full backs and midfielders tracking back. Need to go two banks of four with two up top. Unless Speed can get at least two players in we will continue to stutter with a 4-3-3.

 

[Micalijo]

That's a bit of an odd post.
Are you suggesting we should not post on how we're playing until xmas? Perhaps we could close down the forum until then.
If I recall correctly, certain posters were suggesting we should wait until July, August, September, loan windows etc, etc when it was pointed out how we were failing to build a proper squad in time for this season.
Cuts both ways I'm afraid.

I think you're referring to Swiss's 'I think the summer has gone pretty well' comment.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

This is the problem. We're playing 4-3-3 because our personnel suggests we can but in reality/practicality it doesnt work. I liked the idea myself at the start of the season but I feel we are only playing this way to accomodate Britton in his favoured role and due to having only a couple of wide men.

You're right, Ward and Cresswell arent suited to playing this way. They both get boxed in too easily by full backs and midfielders tracking back. Need to go two banks of four with two up top. Unless Speed can get at least two players in we will continue to stutter with a 4-3-3.

Blackpool played it last season and we know what happened there.

Their midfield consisted mainly of Southern, Adam and Vaughan. Southern is their Monty although he did improve in a lot of fans eyes, possibly because they did so well and he won the ball and gave it to Adam who invariably smashed it home. Vaughan is the playmaker, rarely wastes a pass, gets around the pitch and Adam was their Michael Brown. Ahead of them they had various strikers but they did play the likes of DJ Campbell and Ormerod in a role similar to the one Cressy and Wardy play out wide so there's no real difference in the way they approached it to the way we're trying to do it.

As others have said, the difference is, we don't have a Charlie Adam. Monty/Ertl are fine in the 'ball-winning' defensive role, Britton we know can play a bit but that's where it stops. Either we need two more midfielders to let Britton play the defensive role or at least one very good attacking midfielder.

This is why I haven't really blamed the strikers in the new formation because, whilst we have created more in a few games, they haven't been blessed with chances, nor are they given more help from the midfield who all get nosebleeds when they get near the opposition's area. As I've said, with an addition on the left and the return of Willo, I think we would see this formation being much more successful but in the meantime, I for one, am happy that we're trying to play football. The next few results may lead to a change of policy, who knows.

 

[davidpinder]

Had to laugh last night when i saw the weeds result for a number of reasons 1st, because it was weeds and they were 4-1 up, 2nd because Preston managed to get 6 when we couldn't get any and 3rd Preston's 6 goals are more than we have all season. Watford at the weekend is a worry now because Bartley is out so another defender comes in which gives us less chance of stopping them scoring which probably means we won't win the game. Time to start Panicking???

 

[SteelCity Blade]

The only way I could see a 4-3-3 working with the current personnel is by doing this:-

Ertl
Britton Williamson​

Ertl cant play in the more advanced role he has been given, but I believe he is cultured enough and has a good enough pass to play in front of the back four and do a similar job to Britton, except with a more physical approach to it.

I know Britton is very good at picking the ball off the back four and building from deep, but I'm a firm believer that players with good vision and technique are wasted playing in their own half. Get them up the business end to make things happen! Williamson would give us the extra flair.....if we can keep him fit!

Monty would be there to come on as sub and hold a lead, or to play in particularly difficult games where we need to man mark.

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Had to laugh last night when i saw the weeds result for a number of reasons 1st, because it was weeds and they were 4-1 up, 2nd because Preston managed to get 6 when we couldn't get any and 3rd Preston's 6 goals are more than we have all season. Watford at the weekend is a worry now because Bartley is out so another defender comes in which gives us less chance of stopping them scoring which probably means we won't win the game. Time to start Panicking???

No. Time to stop moaning.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Had to laugh last night when i saw the weeds result for a number of reasons 1st, because it was weeds and they were 4-1 up, 2nd because Preston managed to get 6 when we couldn't get any and 3rd Preston's 6 goals are more than we have all season. Watford at the weekend is a worry now because Bartley is out so another defender comes in which gives us less chance of stopping them scoring which probably means we won't win the game. Time to start Panicking???

I thought you'd be happy, Ertl drops back which means breaking up your favourite midfield threesome

 

[Micalijo]

The only way I could see a 4-3-3 working with the current personnel is by doing this:-

Ertl
Britton Williamson​

Ertl cant play in the more advanced role he has been given, but I believe he is cultured enough and has a good enough pass to play in front of the back four and do a similar job to Britton, except with a more physical approach to it.

I know Britton is very good at picking the ball off the back four and building from deep, but I'm a firm believer that players with good vision and technique are wasted playing in their own half. Get them up the business end to make things happen! Williamson would give us the extra flair.....if we can keep him fit!

Monty would be there to come on as sub and hold a lead, or to play in particularly difficult games where we need to man mark.

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No. Time to stop moaning.

Time to remain firmly behind Speedo and time to stop playing fantasy football with Jim about a fit Willo and a mystery speedy left winger and a quick striker who Speedo is going to magic out of thin air.

I and others get lambasted for speculating and talking about stuff we have no knoweldge about so how people can say we are close to being a good side is beyond me. Blackwell has constructed a squad with essentially no pace, no flair and no creativity. As such the formation is totally and utterly irrelevant and from what I can tell Speedo is doing a brilliant job ekeing out the odd result. If we talk about the players who are fit and available it is very disturbing and we'll do well to finish above where we are now. It will be hard to shift players in January because they will be on relatively good money and signing players in January is notoriously difficult isn't it, especially with no cash. We don't want loads of loans imo because Speedo is trying to build somat, he has to be allowed to bring his own men in and develop them. When this will happen I have no idea. His hands are tied imo.

I agree with you about Britton by the way, get him advanced and play your best footballers if we are trying to pass it.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Time to remain firmly behind Speedo and time to stop playing fantasy football with Jim about a fit Willo and a mystery speedy left winger and a quick striker who Speedo is going to magic out of thin air.

What's fantasy about it? Williamson will regain fitness at some point and I havent mentioned a left winger in that post. I am firmly being Speedo mic, have been from the start. I do this by encouraging positivity but balancing this out by looking at the negatives as well (of which I dont blame Speed for any of them). I also try to put forward constructive points for discussion rather than post doom and despair like some sort of perpetual display of misery.

I and others get lambasted for speculating and talking about stuff we have no knoweldge about so how people can say we are close to being a good side is beyond me.

I dont think you get lambasted for that. My view is that you get lambasted for being constantly dower and argumentative with those who refuse to be dragged into your pit of despair. Your posts dont bother me at all and I mean than genuinely, I think it is important for a forum to have opposing views. But how you can take exception to criticism that you open yourself up for is (in your words) "beyond me."

I've never said we're close to being a good side and I cant remember anyone off the top who has used those exact words on here but I'm sure you have quotes.

It will be hard to shift players in January because they will be on relatively good money and signing players in January is notoriously difficult isn't it, especially with no cash. We don't want loads of loans imo because Speedo is trying to build somat, he has to be allowed to bring his own men in and develop them. When this will happen I have no idea. His hands are tied imo.

Agree with that. It is going to be difficult, both to move players on and bring them in. We're already seeing that in this loan window. I've maintained that Speed has a massive job and not much room for manouvre. Hands are definately tied.

I agree with you about Britton by the way, get him advanced and play your best footballers if we are trying to pass it.

Yep. It certainly isnt working with him sat in our half. He's our best distributor of the ball so playing him in positions where we cant hurt the opposition isnt going to get us anywhere. That said, I can understand why Speed has done it. He's trying to develop a different culture, starting from our back four.

 

[Ollessendro]

So what we also languish 3 pts away from 8th place too as do other teams on the same points as us, Weeds lost by six to Prston, but we beat Preston, Portsmouth won again but we beat Porstmouth, so whats your point? we got a good point against a good team that hasn't been beaten at home in over 12 months, yeah maybe we could have won, maybe we should have done this and that, but thats football for you and thats is why I ask whats your point, other than to moan because you have to live upto your internet person. In the end isnt that why we love this game though because it throws loads of irregular moments at the fans week in week out.

Yeah we aint scoring but as a man who called for change you are not prepared to allow the change to have time to happen, and you are not prepared to back a manager who hasn't had the time to build his own squad.... or the money. Speed and the coaching team are trying to change not just the style of play but the culture of the club that takes massive ammounts of time. I'm prepared to wait for that change, I'm not going to find fault at a result I believe is a good one. But if that makes you happy enjoy

My point is that we are in for a relegation scrap. The teams around and below us are scoring more and playing better. Had it not been for lucky wins against Preston and Pompey we'd be were we deserve to be the bottom 3.

Preston scored more goals last night (at a ground where we could only muster one shot on target) than we have scored in 9 games. 9 games. Still, yeah, erm .... the team aren't scoring but it's ok, Speedo will change it around!?

Just take the three or so of them with a pinch of salt. I need to listen to my own advice though, took the bait yesterday .......

Remains the funniest thing on this message board. Ever.

Still posting on this shite thread Brammers??! That's 7 posts now (more than our goal tally for the season).

The bigger picture that really counts is the goals scored column.
Five goals in nine games is telling.
Shame Dazzler's no longer around but I wonder what the record is for not scoring more than one goal in a game from the start of the season.
Continuing the same goal ratio will mean relegation.
For all the brave words about how early it is etc, etc I wonder how many really believe where the goals are going to come from without new players coming in.

In comes Lenners with a top post. Bosh! Even Trig and Soton agree with him. We can talk about the play offs, win record under Speed, good away points, time, patience, etc etc but if we carry on failing to hit the back of the net then we'll go down.

Now if someone can suggest a reason as to why we will start scoring then I'm interested to hear it.

Swansea just missed out on the play offs last year by a point with a massive goal difference of +3

Now granted our defence doesn't look as if it's water tight but they only conceded 37 goals, and that includes a 5-1 drubbing away from home against Blackpool.

Still time yet to go on a run of 1-0 wins, and I'm sure you'll not be bothered then when we're picking up points.

So Swansea got nothing last season and had a goal difference of +3. What's your point? Our currently stands at -6. Sure Swansea scored 57 goals last season, which insn't awe inspiring, but we are on course for scoring 26 (as Coily pointed out).

Olly, what happened to the 'I'd be delighted with a point' comment from the forest match thread? That's exactly what we got yet here you seem to be bemoaning the fact we got that?

UTB

I'm bemoaning the fact that we threw away a lead, a golden opportunity to beat a better team and great chance to pull away from the relegation zone. Playing well and not winning is a bad sign, just like not playing well and winning is often a good sign. Sure on the face of it apoint away at Forrest looks good, but throwing aww away a lead because we keep making stupid individual errors and can't score just signifies that we are in for a relegation scrap.

 

[2ndtenorblade]

Oh Olle, I was having a good day. :tut:

 

[Mad Mick]

Ollie please wake up and smell the bacon, you cant have it both ways.
In once post you make the point that some of us bemoan the fact were were unlucky not to get results in certain games and then post this
"Had it not been for lucky wins against Preston and Pompey we'd be were we deserve to be the bottom 3."
So if we had had more luck in some games we'd deserve to be in the play off positions.
You can't have it both ways.

 

[Ollessendro]

Ollie please wake up and smell the bacon, you cant have it both ways.
In once post you make the point that some of us bemoan the fact were were unlucky not to get results in certain games and then post this
"Had it not been for lucky wins against Preston and Pompey we'd be were we deserve to be the bottom 3."
So if we had had more luck in some games we'd deserve to be in the play off positions.
You can't have it both ways.

can you point out the games where we were unlucky to lose?

 

[Trigger Blade]

Playing well and not winning is a bad sign, just like not playing well and winning is often a good sign. Sure on the face of it apoint away at Forrest looks good, but throwing aww away a lead because we keep making stupid individual errors and can't score just signifies that we are in for a relegation scrap.

Except of course, when we didn't play well against Preston and Portsmouth and won, you were moaning that we'd fluked a couple of wins and that moved us up the table. I don't recall your wise observation about it being a good sign for us.

Can I say that I've got your message. You believe we're in a relegation scrap, you started and finished your post with it. I realise that you have to repeat everything ad nauseum, but there's really no need.

You can have the rest of the season off and come back in May to say you told us so, because you definitely couldn't resist, however unendearing that kind of attitude is, you couldn't stop yourself.

We're in a relegation scrap!

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

can you point out the games where we were unlucky to lose?

Boro, Leeds, and I'll even throw Scunny in for good measure If we'd have put any one of our 1st half chances in before they scored we'd have won that game comfortably.

 

[alcoblade]

can you point out the games where we were unlucky to lose?

I'd go with Boro and Leeds.

UTB

 

[Ollessendro]

Boro, Leeds, and I'll even throw Scunny in for good measure If we'd have put any one of our 1st half chances in before they scored we'd have won that game comfortably.

Hmmmmm ....

I'd go with Boro and Leeds.

UTB

Leeds were the better side, had more possession and more chances. You can try to argue that we were unlcuky, but when you defend like that then you don't really have a leg to stand on. Similar case with Boro. Can't complain when you make stupid, school boy mistakes.

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Except of course, when we didn't play well against Preston and Portsmouth and won, you were moaning that we'd fluked a couple of wins and that moved us up the table. I don't recall your wise observation about it being a good sign for us.

Can I say that I've got your message. You believe we're in a relegation scrap, you started and finished your post with it. I realise that you have to repeat everything ad nauseum, but there's really no need.

You can have the rest of the season off and come back in May to say you told us so, because you definitely couldn't resist, however unendearing that kind of attitude is, you couldn't stop yourself.

We're in a relegation scrap!

Stop reading thread then!?

Are you seriosuly suggesting that we didn't fluke the games against Preston and Pompey Trig. Come on be objectivist.

Don't read the thread any more then.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

This is the problem with your theory Olly, you say Pompey were unlucky not to beat us because they didn't take their chances and our keeper was on top form yet the same doesn't apply to us against Scunny, where, may I remind you, we had more possession and chances, something you like to use when it suits. Goals change games and you can't just dismiss this game on the basis we conceded 4 at the end of it.

Who says Leeds were the better side ? Most reports say we were unlucky not to get at least a point and their winner was their only shot on goal in the 2nd half, much against the run of play.

Boro was just dour from start to finish and a 0-0 would have been fair to all parties.

No-one is saying if you make mistakes you will, or should, get away with it but that shouldn't detract from the fact that we did deserve something from those games based on overall play.

 

[Pinchy]

I agree with you about Britton by the way, get him advanced and play your best footballers if we are trying to pass it.

That's all very well in theory but little Leon has looked superb in front of the back four but not so effective in the advanced role, largely because he didn't get nearly enough possession there. The problem is obvious: We need someone as good as Britton in front of the back four to get the ball to someone as good as Britton further forward!

Anyone for Metaphysics?

 

[alcoblade]

Olle - you're putting an awful lot of effort into a simple conclusion;

When we win / draw we were lucky.
When we lose we were poor.

Cut and paste words to that effect and save yourself lots of time. You can ammend the one week in ten you think it doesn't apply......

UTB

 

[Ollessendro]

This is the problem with your theory Olly, you say Pompey were unlucky not to beat us because they didn't take their chances and our keeper was on top form yet the same doesn't apply to us against Scunny, where, may I remind you, we had more possession and chances, something you like to use when it suits. Goals change games and you can't just dismiss this game on the basis we conceded 4 at the end of it.

Who says Leeds were the better side ? Most reports say we were unlucky not to get at least a point and their winner was their only shot on goal in the 2nd half, much against the run of play.

Boro was just dour from start to finish and a 0-0 would have been fair to all parties.

No-one is saying if you make mistakes you will, or should, get away with it but that shouldn't detract from the fact that we did deserve something from those games based on overall play.

Scunthorpe had more shots on target and scored 4 more goals than us. Can you really argue that we were unlucky Jim?

And come on we were poor against Leeds. They were the better of 2 sides. Other than Ertls header we didn't trouble them. They forced an excellent save out of SS and scored.

The Boro game was poor and there wasn't much between the 2 teams. However we gave them a gift of a goal. Don't you see the difference between giving away a soft goal (not unlcuky, just poor) and the opposition keeper having a great game (unlucky for your team). If against Leeds and Boro we'd created clear cut chances and worked their keeper I might feel different. If either Leeds or Boro's keepers made very good saves or stopped shots they didn't have any right to (like Simmon did against Pompey) then I'd agree that we were unlucky. Unfortunately we gave away 2 very soft goals which lost the game. Now you can call it many things (naive, poor, relegation material or frutsrating) but you cannot call it unlucky.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Scunthorpe had more shots on target and scored 4 more goals than us. Can you really argue that we were unlucky Jim?

And come on we were poor against Leeds. They were the better of 2 sides. Other than Ertls header we didn't trouble them. They forced an excellent save out of SS and scored.

The Boro game was poor and there wasn't much between the 2 teams. However we gave them a gift of a goal. Don't you see the difference between giving away a soft goal (not unlcuky, just poor) and the opposition keeper having a great game (unlucky for your team). If against Leeds and Boro we'd created clear cut chances and worked their keeper I might feel different. If either Leeds or Boro's keepers made very good saves or stopped shots they didn't have any right to (like Simmon did against Pompey) then I'd agree that we were unlucky. Unfortunately we gave away 2 very soft goals which lost the game. Now you can call it many things (naive, poor, relegation material or frutsrating) but you cannot call it unlucky.

I am saying, as I did last week, that 'based on general play' we were unlucky not to pick up points in certain games. You can pick out certain mistakes or incidents that lead to goals and say that luck doesn't come into it, fair enough, I can't argue with that but that doesn't tell the true picture of how the game went overall which, to me, is a better indicator of how we are playing.

For the Leeds game, they just about won possession by 2% yet we had 5 shots on target to their 2, how does that fit into your theory ? Yesterday, their keeper made a good save from Boggy at 1-0, does that make us unlucky (as Pompey) ? No, Simmo makes a mistake which costs us the game in your book.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

nPower Championship Goal Scoring Table

1. QPR 22
2. Watford 20
3. Derby County 15
4. Leeds United 15
5. Burnley 14
6. Cardiff City 14
7. Millwall 14
8. Norwich City 14
9. Swansea City 14
10. Barnsley 13
11. Coventry 13
12. Preston North End 13
13. Reading 13
14 Doncaster Rovers 12
15. Ipswich 11
16. Portsmouth 11
17. Leicester City 10
18. Nottingham Forest 10
19. Scunthorpe United 10
20. Middlesbrough 9
21. Bristol City 8
22. Crystal Palace 8
23. Hull City 7
24. Sheffield United 5

 

[Sensiblade]

nPower Championship Goal Scoring Table

1. QPR 22
2. Watford 20
3. Derby County 15
4. Leeds United 15
5. Burnley 14
6. Cardiff City 14
7. Millwall 14
8. Norwich City 14
9. Swansea City 14
10. Barnsley 13
11. Coventry 13
12. Preston North End 13
13. Reading 13
14 Doncaster Rovers 12
15. Ipswich 11
16. Portsmouth 11
17. Leicester City 10
18. Nottingham Forest 10
19. Scunthorpe United 10
20. Middlesbrough 9
21. Bristol City 8
22. Crystal Palace 8
23. Hull City 7
24. Sheffield United 5

As the league isn't decided on Goals scored then that table is irrelevant.