it's time to start panicking

[Flatulent_Bob]

Interesting that we are picking up points against arguably two of the strongest starting 11's in the league, yet get turned over by Scunny.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

A good point - particularly as Forest are unbeaten at home for 12 months. Frustrating that we appear to have given another soft goal away though. And whilst Boggy sounded decent I still don't see where our goals are going to come from.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

A good point - particularly as Forest are unbeaten at home for 12 months. Frustrating that we appear to have given another soft goal away though. And whilst Boggy sounded decent I still don't see where our goals are going to come from.

Playing wingers that can support the loan forward or at least create something?

 

[j j]

"If by the end of the season we are in the bottom 3 will you start to worry then?"

No. The time to worry about not getting promotion is Xmas. The time to worry about relegation is Easter. If we were in the bottom three at end we would have been relegated & I would be over it and enjoying the summer while looking forward to next season...

"Oh yeah, Speedo will defo get us out of League One!?"

That would be fun. Just like in Harry's Bassett's time.

 

[Ollessendro]

Preston, a team below us score 6 at Elland Road. That's a ground we couldn't score at. Derby win again. Portsmouth win again. After throwing away a golden chance of victory United languish 3 points above the drop zone. A whopping 5 goals from 9 games gives us the worst attacking record in the league (by some way).

I'm sure we'll get the calls of we should have won, if only Boggy had scored, Forrests goal came out of the blue, our luck will change soon ...... Speedo knows the problems, lets give him time, be patient. The relegation form continues with the teams below us improving steadily.

 

[alcoblade]

Preston, a team below us score 6 at Elland Road. That's a ground we couldn't score at. Derby win again. Portsmouth win again. After throwing away a golden chance of victory United languish 3 points above the drop zone. A whopping 5 goals from 9 games gives us the worst attacking record in the league (by some way).

I'm sure we'll get the calls of we should have won, if only Boggy had scored, Forrests goal came out of the blue, our luck will change soon ...... Speedo knows the problems, lets give him time, be patient. The relegation form continues with the teams below us improving steadily.

A good away point
4 Points off the play offs
Evans dropped
Boggy positive


Cheer up you miserable bugger.......

UTB

 

[Rudders]

The championship this year seems very volatile - any team can beat any other except QPR.
I don't think there's any out and out rubbish in this league this year either (unlike the p!gs last year) and well organised workmanlike sides can do quite well (Norwich/Watford).
I can see us picking up mainly wins when/if we get Willo and Hendo back, until then we've just got to stick at it, not be a pushover and get some solid points - and no it probably won't be promotion form but lets just hang in there.

 

[Foxy]

I'm sure we'll get the calls of we should have won

Why bother? when we can have the calls from at home that we're doomed?!

 

[beechblade]

Preston, a team below us score 6 at Elland Road. That's a ground we couldn't score at. Derby win again. Portsmouth win again. After throwing away a golden chance of victory United languish 3 points above the drop zone. A whopping 5 goals from 9 games gives us the worst attacking record in the league (by some way).

I'm sure we'll get the calls of we should have won, if only Boggy had scored, Forrests goal came out of the blue, our luck will change soon ...... Speedo knows the problems, lets give him time, be patient. The relegation form continues with the teams below us improving steadily.

So what we also languish 3 pts away from 8th place too as do other teams on the same points as us, Weeds lost by six to Prston, but we beat Preston, Portsmouth won again but we beat Porstmouth, so whats your point? we got a good point against a good team that hasn't been beaten at home in over 12 months, yeah maybe we could have won, maybe we should have done this and that, but thats football for you and thats is why I ask whats your point, other than to moan because you have to live upto your internet person. In the end isnt that why we love this game though because it throws loads of irregular moments at the fans week in week out.

Yeah we aint scoring but as a man who called for change you are not prepared to allow the change to have time to happen, and you are not prepared to back a manager who hasn't had the time to build his own squad.... or the money. Speed and the coaching team are trying to change not just the style of play but the culture of the club that takes massive ammounts of time. I'm prepared to wait for that change, I'm not going to find fault at a result I believe is a good one. But if that makes you happy enjoy

 

[torridon]

Preston, a team below us score 6 at Elland Road. That's a ground we couldn't score at. Derby win again. Portsmouth win again. After throwing away a golden chance of victory United languish 3 points above the drop zone. A whopping 5 goals from 9 games gives us the worst attacking record in the league (by some way).

I'm sure we'll get the calls of we should have won, if only Boggy had scored, Forrests goal came out of the blue, our luck will change soon ...... Speedo knows the problems, lets give him time, be patient. The relegation form continues with the teams below us improving steadily.

I was in a good mood until i logged on and read this shite. Fuck me its still early in the season for christs sake.

 

[grafikhaus]

To Sampylad, Beechblade and Rudders - spot on! The fact that Preston got 6 at Leeds last night, Watford getting six at 3rd-placed Millwall and a host of other totally unexpected results just proves what a roller-coaster our division will be this year.

Ollesandro (and a host of others, including myself) wanted Blackwell out but now, about 4 weeks into Speed's tenure, the storm clouds are brewing again. When will it all end?

United have had a tough start to the season with a couple more 'toughies' coming up and have pretty much weathered the storm. Wednesday, on the other hand, had a very easy start, went top early on and have now been found wanting after a few more games. Irvine is a decidedly average/poor manager (Preston also got six in the first game after he left...).

But some Unitedites decide to take 'snapshots' of the season without standing back and looking at the wider picture. If we win on Saturday (and after last night's results, there's no reason we shouldn't), then things will look decidedly better. If we lose, there's more than enough time to turn it round.

I've little doubt that Speed's hands are tied financially, but apart from Man City and Chelsea, every club is in the same boat. It caused Martin O'Neill to leave, Liverpool could well lose Torres and Stevie ('He's a very lucky boy') G and even Fergie had to lose his 2 best players.

So let's calm down and rediscover the spirit that marks us out as being different from the window-lickers at S6. It'll be reight.

 

[DuncDisorderly]

I did expect this after we only got a draw where few teams come away with much and were denied the three points only by a 35 yard screamer. I'm very much afraid Grafikhaus that the lunatics have taken over this particular asylum. They shouted for Blackwell to go, but now seven games into the new manager, they are already been telling him what side to pick and how they'd do it better. Its little man syndrome, in which their opinions are elevated to fact, and actual 'fact' that the guy who does the job, whos been in football day in day out for 25 years at the top level, thinks differently to them is enough to prove that he is completely clueless.

I get called 'clapper' but the little group of negative posters seemingly are just sitting around waiting for the opportunity to out-do each other with how they can wax lyrical about how shite we are, like a some bizarre Pythonesque clique.

A: 'I once sat through a whole 90 mins of a Blackwell game playing 4-5-1 away from home and we didn't get a single shot on target'
B: 'You were lucky. We walked all the way to Colchester, didnt have a shot on or off target, lost 3-0 and I didn't get a hand delivered apology from the club'
C: 'Walked to Colchester? Luxury. we crawled on our hands an knees to watch a Tuesday night game at Plymouth, half the team didn't turn up, the rest stood around like traffic cones, no shots no corners, we lost 14-0, and then on the way home we got run over and killed on the M5, and it was all Speedos and McCabes fault. But you try telling that to the clappers'

I personally feel that anyone who chooses their forum signature as

"I've got clouds on a sunny day ........ more critical than Alan Hansen, more miserable than Mark Lawrenson and less pleasent than Gordon Ramsey"

...is giving us a great big clue as to what is the most important thing in their mind, and it isn't the best interests of SUFC...

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Preston, a team below us score 6 at Elland Road. That's a ground we couldn't score at. Derby win again. Portsmouth win again. After throwing away a golden chance of victory United languish 3 points above the drop zone. A whopping 5 goals from 9 games gives us the worst attacking record in the league (by some way).

Alternatively, Preston scored 4 at Elland Road, we kept a clean sheet against them and won, Derby won again, a ground we kept a clean sheet at and won comfortably, Portsmouth win again, another team we kept a clean sheet against, won, and they went on to score 6 in their next game.

Yes, we 'languish' 3 points above the drop zone, but, as my friend Raul will concur, we're only 4 points off the play-offs

Goal scoring is still a problem for sure but since you were going to re-assess our form after these two away games, which, I'm sure you'll agree, we didn't deserve to lose either, the signs are still encouraging. We have the 8th best defensive record in the league by the way.

 

[Trigger Blade]

Ollesandro (and a host of others, including myself) wanted Blackwell out but now, about 4 weeks into Speed's tenure, the storm clouds are brewing again. When will it all end?

Really? You think a few keyboard warriors on a message board amounts to storm clouds? I don't think what they post is at all representative of a general feeling and you give them more credibility than they deserve.

Most supporters are a bit more balanced and perceptive in their view.

 

[super_pig]

all of this a beat b and b beat c so a should beat c stuff has never applied to football.. that is why we love it.. it is too unpredictable.. the championship this year is the most open for years.. anyone can beat anyone.. you can't just go around saying 'well yeah we beat team x one nil and lost to team y but then team x beat team y so we must be crap then..
there are going to be some mad results every week so just take it week by week.. a draw at forest is a good result.. they are always a good home outfit

 

[sheffielder]

Really? You think a few keyboard warriors on a message board amounts to storm clouds? I don't think what they post is at all representative of a general feeling and you give them more credibility than they deserve.

Most supporters are a bit more balanced and perceptive in their view.

After Blackwell, I will give Speed all the time in the world. I wouldn't listen to Ollie. That's four games on the bounce he hasn't been to but still will tell you exactly what's wrong with us!

I have to admit I was starting to worry whether Yeates and Bog would get a game under Speed. My only slight complaint is that I would still like to see some players given a chance.

Quinn in a midfield three trying to play football
Yeates for Ward

Speed might be righly just playing the guys he trusts and Quinn, Boggy and Yeates might just have to earn that.

 

[Bramley]

Really? You think a few keyboard warriors on a message board amounts to storm clouds? I don't think what they post is at all representative of a general feeling and you give them more credibility than they deserve.

Most supporters are a bit more balanced and perceptive in their view.

Just take the three or so of them with a pinch of salt. I need to listen to my own advice though, took the bait yesterday.

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I did expect this after we only got a draw where few teams come away with much and were denied the three points only by a 35 yard screamer. I'm very much afraid Grafikhaus that the lunatics have taken over this particular asylum. They shouted for Blackwell to go, but now seven games into the new manager, they are already been telling him what side to pick and how they'd do it better. Its little man syndrome, in which their opinions are elevated to fact, and actual 'fact' that the guy who does the job, whos been in football day in day out for 25 years at the top level, thinks differently to them is enough to prove that he is completely clueless.

I get called 'clapper' but the little group of negative posters seemingly are just sitting around waiting for the opportunity to out-do each other with how they can wax lyrical about how shite we are, like a some bizarre Pythonesque clique.

A: 'I once sat through a whole 90 mins of a Blackwell game playing 4-5-1 away from home and we didn't get a single shot on target'
B: 'You were lucky. We walked all the way to Colchester, didnt have a shot on or off target, lost 3-0 and I didn't get a hand delivered apology from the club'
C: 'Walked to Colchester? Luxury. we crawled on our hands an knees to watch a Tuesday night game at Plymouth, half the team didn't turn up, the rest stood around like traffic cones, no shots no corners, we lost 14-0, and then on the way home we got run over and killed on the M5, and it was all Speedos and McCabes fault. But you try telling that to the clappers'

I personally feel that anyone who chooses their forum signature as

"I've got clouds on a sunny day ........ more critical than Alan Hansen, more miserable than Mark Lawrenson and less pleasent than Gordon Ramsey"

...is giving us a great big clue as to what is the most important thing in their mind, and it isn't the best interests of SUFC...

Remains the funniest thing on this message board. Ever.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

I did expect this after we only got a draw where few teams come away with much and were denied the three points only by a 35 yard screamer. I'm very much afraid Grafikhaus that the lunatics have taken over this particular asylum. They shouted for Blackwell to go, but now seven games into the new manager, they are already been telling him what side to pick and how they'd do it better. Its little man syndrome, in which their opinions are elevated to fact, and actual 'fact' that the guy who does the job, whos been in football day in day out for 25 years at the top level, thinks differently to them is enough to prove that he is completely clueless.

I get called 'clapper' but the little group of negative posters seemingly are just sitting around waiting for the opportunity to out-do each other with how they can wax lyrical about how shite we are, like a some bizarre Pythonesque clique.

A: 'I once sat through a whole 90 mins of a Blackwell game playing 4-5-1 away from home and we didn't get a single shot on target'
B: 'You were lucky. We walked all the way to Colchester, didnt have a shot on or off target, lost 3-0 and I didn't get a hand delivered apology from the club'
C: 'Walked to Colchester? Luxury. we crawled on our hands an knees to watch a Tuesday night game at Plymouth, half the team didn't turn up, the rest stood around like traffic cones, no shots no corners, we lost 14-0, and then on the way home we got run over and killed on the M5, and it was all Speedos and McCabes fault. But you try telling that to the clappers'

I personally feel that anyone who chooses their forum signature as

"I've got clouds on a sunny day ........ more critical than Alan Hansen, more miserable than Mark Lawrenson and less pleasent than Gordon Ramsey"

...is giving us a great big clue as to what is the most important thing in their mind, and it isn't the best interests of SUFC...

Top post Dunc. Sums them up perfectly!

 

[lenners]

The bigger picture that really counts is the goals scored column.
Five goals in nine games is telling.
Shame Dazzler's no longer around but I wonder what the record is for not scoring more than one goal in a game from the start of the season.
Continuing the same goal ratio will mean relegation.
For all the brave words about how early it is etc, etc I wonder how many really believe where the goals are going to come from without new players coming in.

 

[SotonBlade]

Never normally agree with you lenners, but you're spot on with this one.

The goals scored is really, really worrying. I think sooner rather than later we have to revert to 4-4-2 and go back to basics.

I'd play Calve on the right and Yeates on the left and get some crosses in to the likes of Cresswell and Bogdanovic, both are big lads so shouldn't struggle to make it difficult for the opposition. Ertl will drop back to CB to cover the injuries, which prevents Speed having to make a decision of who to drop in Midfield.

Would play this line-up for the next game.

Simonsen
De Laet Ertl Nosworthy Jordan
Calve Monty Britton Yeates
Cresswell Bogdanovic

Subs: Lowton, Quinn, Evans, Wright, Slew, Taylor, Chappell​

 

[Micalijo]

I did expect this after we only got a draw where few teams come away with much and were denied the three points only by a 35 yard screamer. I'm very much afraid Grafikhaus that the lunatics have taken over this particular asylum. They shouted for Blackwell to go, but now seven games into the new manager, they are already been telling him what side to pick and how they'd do it better. Its little man syndrome, in which their opinions are elevated to fact, and actual 'fact' that the guy who does the job, whos been in football day in day out for 25 years at the top level, thinks differently to them is enough to prove that he is completely clueless.

I get called 'clapper' but the little group of negative posters seemingly are just sitting around waiting for the opportunity to out-do each other with how they can wax lyrical about how shite we are, like a some bizarre Pythonesque clique.

A: 'I once sat through a whole 90 mins of a Blackwell game playing 4-5-1 away from home and we didn't get a single shot on target'
B: 'You were lucky. We walked all the way to Colchester, didnt have a shot on or off target, lost 3-0 and I didn't get a hand delivered apology from the club'
C: 'Walked to Colchester? Luxury. we crawled on our hands an knees to watch a Tuesday night game at Plymouth, half the team didn't turn up, the rest stood around like traffic cones, no shots no corners, we lost 14-0, and then on the way home we got run over and killed on the M5, and it was all Speedos and McCabes fault. But you try telling that to the clappers'

I personally feel that anyone who chooses their forum signature as

"I've got clouds on a sunny day ........ more critical than Alan Hansen, more miserable than Mark Lawrenson and less pleasent than Gordon Ramsey"

...is giving us a great big clue as to what is the most important thing in their mind, and it isn't the best interests of SUFC...

35 yard screamer? What are you on about? Huge cock-up by Simmo more like.

Looks like the stress of continually trying to argue that we are a half decent side is getting to you. Long time since I have read as much nonsense from you and there is some very stiff competition on that front.

Can I just stress that I am 100% behind Speed.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Would play this line-up for the next game.

Simonsen
De Laet Ertl Nosworthy Jordan
Calve Monty Britton Yeates
Cresswell Bogdanovic

Subs: Lowton, Quinn, Evans, Wright, Slew, Taylor, Chappell​

Replace Calve with Lowton and I agree. I think he'll have to go 4-4-2 based on players available.

 

[Moosie]

The bigger picture that really counts is the goals scored column.
Five goals in nine games is telling.

Swansea just missed out on the play offs last year by a point with a massive goal difference of +3

Now granted our defence doesn't look as if it's water tight but they only conceded 37 goals, and that includes a 5-1 drubbing away from home against Blackpool.

Still time yet to go on a run of 1-0 wins, and I'm sure you'll not be bothered then when we're picking up points.

 

[JohnDenver]

I get called 'clapper' but the little group of negative posters seemingly are just sitting around waiting for the opportunity to out-do each other with how they can wax lyrical about how shite we are, like a some bizarre Pythonesque clique.

Nice description. It seems to be an affectation inspired by the grand master of doom, our len.

But there is only one len.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

The bigger picture that really counts is the goals scored column.
Five goals in nine games is telling.
Shame Dazzler's no longer around but I wonder what the record is for not scoring more than one goal in a game from the start of the season.
Continuing the same goal ratio will mean relegation.
For all the brave words about how early it is etc, etc I wonder how many really believe where the goals are going to come from without new players coming in.

Of course you'll say the only thing to look at is goals scored in the same way Olly's league table is purely based on whether or not he thinks we deserved to win. I would suggest that the picture isn't big enough yet for us to draw a proper conclusion. Even if you do look at the 9 games and presume we will repeat the results for the rest of the season, we won't go down.

 

[Trigger Blade]

The bigger picture that really counts is the goals scored column.
Five goals in nine games is telling.
Shame Dazzler's no longer around but I wonder what the record is for not scoring more than one goal in a game from the start of the season.
Continuing the same goal ratio will mean relegation.
For all the brave words about how early it is etc, etc I wonder how many really believe where the goals are going to come from without new players coming in.

Nurse, nurse, I'm about to agree with len!

Not entirely, about the bigger picture, he's looking up the wrong end of the telescope to get a bigger picture. However, our lack of goals is extremely worrying and not something we've been used to in recent seasons.

I believe it will get better without new strikers arriving. Cresswell was into double figures last season, so unless that was an aberration, we can expect him to score. We haven't seen Bogdanovic so far, but he's proven at this level. Then there's our £750k man......;-)

What we don't have is much prospect of goals from midfield.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Or chances created from midfield or out wide. It really doesn't matter who we play in the middle if we aren't carving out decent chances.

 

[frechyblade]

Preston, a team below us score 6 at Elland Road. That's a ground we couldn't score at. Derby win again. Portsmouth win again. After throwing away a golden chance of victory United languish 3 points above the drop zone. A whopping 5 goals from 9 games gives us the worst attacking record in the league (by some way).

I'm sure we'll get the calls of we should have won, if only Boggy had scored, Forrests goal came out of the blue, our luck will change soon ...... Speedo knows the problems, lets give him time, be patient. The relegation form continues with the teams below us improving steadily.

Olly, what happened to the 'I'd be delighted with a point' comment from the forest match thread? That's exactly what we got yet here you seem to be bemoaning the fact we got that?

UTB

 

[lenners]

Nurse, nurse, I'm about to agree with len!

Not entirely, about the bigger picture, he's looking up the wrong end of the telescope to get a bigger picture. However, our lack of goals is extremely worrying and not something we've been used to in recent seasons.

I believe it will get better without new strikers arriving. Cresswell was into double figures last season, so unless that was an aberration, we can expect him to score. We haven't seen Bogdanovic so far, but he's proven at this level. Then there's our £750k man......;-)

What we don't have is much prospect of goals from midfield.

Whichever way you look through the telescope, the goals scored figure remains at five.
I've only seen the home games and Cardiff and Boro on tv this season but out of six games seen the only one where we created a number of chances - or our frontline looked mobile or dangerous - was the first half against Scunthorpe.
A continuation of that will see relegation.

 

[sheffielder]

Whichever way you look through the telescope, the goals scored figure remains at five.
I've only seen the home games and Cardiff and Boro on tv this season but out of six games seen the only one where we created a number of chances - or our frontline looked mobile or dangerous - was the first half against Scunthorpe.
A continuation of that will see relegation.

I know I shouldn't bite, however what is your agenda? reason for posting on forums? The way we are trying to play takes time. When Blackwell came in it was like papering over the cracks of what should have been a good team. Because there was no long term plan we got to where we are now. Why not wait till Christmas and see where we are then. I just don't understand the motive of your posts